from:"fznidarsic"


snip
produced via external pumping that keep the quasiparticle excited. Such pumping 
can create remarkably high effective temperatures in a narrow spectral region 
of the lowest energy states in a quasiparticle gas, resulting in strikingly 
unexpected transitional dynamics of Bose–Einstein quasiparticle condensates.
/snip

Thanks Axil.  The product of the particle size and the pumping frequency is 
1,094,000 meters per second.  The process describes the path of the quantum 
transition.




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Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier



Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate 
of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated 
with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields.  I tend to think 
that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if 
an ultimate theory is to be developed.




Good,  The magnetic components of the force fields are not conserved.  They can 
increases

outwith bound.  When they become stronger and act at a longer range than the 
Coulombic, the 
Coulombic barrier is bypassed.  No cracks or heavy neutrons required.


Soft iron increase the magnetic component of the electrical field.
I believe that a vibrating Bose condensate acts like a soft iron equivalent 
for the strong nuclear spin orbit force.


I have done a lot of math in an effort to prove this.


Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

Thats a common mistake.  We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier.  The static 
force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem.  The 
static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range.
The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit 
force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people.  In the solid cold 
fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 to 
the 39 power.  Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am 
speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force.  In short The 
constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate 
that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of  1.094 megahertz-meters.


Frank  Z


The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my 
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature 
operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and 
replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?

Dave





-Original Message-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am
Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier


We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to 
overcome for fusion events to occur.  Perhaps we should consider it as an 
electromagnetic barrier instead.  There is plenty of reason to suspect that a 
magnetic component of force is active along with the electric component.

Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate 
of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated 
with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields.  I tend to think 
that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if 
an ultimate theory is to be developed.

The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my 
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature 
operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and 
replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?

Dave

Fwd: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:00 pm
Subject: Fwd: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

Nuclear physicists limit themselves to two bodied problems and don't seem to 
understand collective motions.
Electrical engineers work with collective motions all of the time.  That's why 
it takes and Electrical Engineer, like me,
to explain things to them.

Take an isolated electron.  A magnetic field follows its motion.  Take two 
moving together.  Yes there are two magnetic fields following the motion but 
there will be another mutually  induced  field also following the motion.
The induced component becomes signification when designing air core RF 
transformations. 

Take an isolated nucleon.  A magnetic SPIN ORBIT force follows its motion.  
Take a gadzillon nucleons moving together in a proton conductor.  The long 
range strong magnetic component of the nuclear force becomes dominant.

Get the movement going at 1 million meters per second and the arguments also 
provide a classical solution for the quantum condition.

Simple logic.

Frank Z

-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

Thats a common mistake.  We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier.  The static 
force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem.  The 
static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range.
The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit 
force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people.  In the solid cold 
fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 to 
the 39 power.  Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am 
speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force.  In short The 
constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose condensate 
that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of  1.094 megahertz-meters.

Frank  Z

The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my 
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature 
operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and 
replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?

Dave

-Original Message-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am
Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is to 
overcome for fusion events to occur.  Perhaps we should consider it as an 
electromagnetic barrier instead.  There is plenty of reason to suspect that a 
magnetic component of force is active along with the electric component.

Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the rate 
of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions associated 
with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields.  I tend to think 
that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be understood in detail if 
an ultimate theory is to be developed.

The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my 
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low temperature 
operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference to Coulomb barrier and 
replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?

Dave

Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

Imagine this.  What if the magnetic component of the electromagnetic field was 
ignored.  We would  VanderGraphs, Winhurst motors, and fur rupped rods emitting 
jumping sparks.  We would not have employed the very strong magnetic force.  No 
generators, motors, electromagnets, or speakers would exist.  The electrified 
world of today would not be.  Electricity would only be a curiosity.


A coil with twice the turns has 4 times the magnetic effect.  Where does the 
extra magnetic field come from?  It comes from nowhere.  The magnetic field is 
not conserved.  It comes and goes as need to conserve momentum of the system 
when the original static field cannot.  This strength of the non-conserved 
magnetic field made modem life possible.  This is so well known  that it is not 
even mentioned.


The range of the electrical magnetic field can exceed that of the Coulombic.  
Superconductors entirely confine the Coulombic field yet a magnetic field 
extends beyond the bounds of the superconductor.




All of the force fields conserve momentum in the same with, with an induced 
magnetic field.  All of the magnetic components are not conserved.  It is 
theoretically possible to dramatically increase them.  All of them.   No one to 
date has known how to increase the magnetic component of the strong nuclear 
force.  This magnetic component is NOT electromagnetic.  Cold fusion has shown 
the way.  Vibrate a proton conductor at a dimensional frequency of one 
megahertz-meter.  The non-conserved spin orbit force increases dramatically.


Amazingly the process has gravitomagnetic effects too.  We are on the verge of 
harnessing all of the natural forces.
Why is it taking so long?

Frank Z


-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier



Frank--
 
You noted:
 
The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit 
force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people.
 
Why is it ignored?
 
Bob
  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   fznidar...@aol.com 
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:37   AM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic   Barrier
  


Thats a common mistake.We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier.  The static 
force fields are   conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem.  The 
static force   field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer range.
The magnetic   component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit 
force. It is   never considered by the hot fusion people.  In the solid cold 
fusion   environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 10 
to the   39 power.  Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, I am  
 speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force.  In short   
The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose   
condensate that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of  1.094   
megahertz-meters.   


  
Frank  Z
  
  

The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my 
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low 
temperature operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference to 
Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?


Dave




  
-Original   Message-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To:   vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39   am
Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

  
  
We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb   barrier and how difficult it is to 
overcome for fusion events to occur.Perhaps we should consider it as an 
electromagnetic barrier instead.There is plenty of reason to suspect that a 
magnetic component of force is   active along with the electric component.
  

Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon   the rate 
of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions   associated 
with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields.  I   tend to think 
that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be   understood in detail 
if an ultimate theory is to be developed.
  

The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according   to my 
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low   
temperature operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference to   
Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic   Barrier?
  

Dave

Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

 feedback mechanism that reinforces 
both the field and the LENR activity.  Both can then grow until some 
limiting factor arises.

 

IIRC DGT does suggest that the external magnetic field changes with time as 
their reaction varies.  The question that arises is whether or not that 
rate of change would be able to generate a sufficient electric component.  
I find it interesting that nickel has a strong magnetic interaction that 
may well contribute to the rapid field changes.  And, of course, the 
threshold in LENR occurring around the curie temperature of nickel must has 
some significance.

 

Dave



-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier


Thats a common mistake.  We cannot reduce the Coulomb barrier.  The static 
force fields are conserved and cannot be reduced in a two body problem.  
The static force field can, however, be bypassed by a force with longer 
range.
The magnetic component of the strong nuclear force is called the spin orbit 
force. It is never considered by the hot fusion people.  In the solid cold 
fusion environment the magnetic component can be increased by a factor to 
10 to the 39 power.  Again I am not speaking of the electromagnetic field, 
I am speaking of the magnetic component of the strong nuclear force.  In 
short The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a 
Bose condensate that is vibrated at a dimensional frequency of  1.094 
megahertz-meters. 



Frank  Z


  
The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according   to 
my thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low   
temperature operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference   to 
Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic   
Barrier?
  

Dave





-Original Message-
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 11:39 am
Subject: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier



We hear so much chatter about the Coulomb barrier and how difficult it is 
to overcome for fusion events to occur.  Perhaps we should consider it as 
an electromagnetic barrier instead.  There is plenty of reason to suspect 
that a magnetic component of force is active along with the electric 
component.


Some in this list believe that spin coupling has a large impact upon the 
rate of LENR activity and there may well be other magnetic interactions 
associated with nano particles and their large local magnetic fields.  I 
tend to think that these couplings are a key concept that needs to be 
understood in detail if an ultimate theory is to be developed.


The Coulomb repulsion can be reduced by magnetic attraction according to my 
thoughts and that would also explain magnetic interactions and low 
temperature operation of LENR devices.  Should we drop the reference to 
Coulomb barrier and replace it with reference to an Electromagnetic Barrier?


Dave

Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

The hot fusion people know that the spin orbit force is there.  They consider 
it to be like the electromagnetic moment of the electron.  Not of much use as 
its range is too short.


They to not consider that the nuclear spin orbit force is not conserved and it 
can increase in range and strength under certain conditions.


They do not consider that it can be expelled from a condensate.


These are big omissions and the reason that they cannot understand cold fusion. 
 They are working with the wrong force.


Frank Z



-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier


No! I did not say this.  I am speaking about the magnetic component of the 
strong nuclear force the spin orbit force.  It is NOT electromagnetic,  It does 
not attract metal.  It flips nucleons.  I only used the electromagnetic force 
in an analogy to show that the magnetic field conserves momentum in a system 
where changes in the original force field  propagate at light speed. It takes 
time for the system to settle.  During that time the magnetic field conserves 
the momentum of the system.  The magnetic field emerges as needed from nowhere. 
 It goes away once its job is done.


The gravitomagnetic, nuclear spin orbit force, and electromagnetic forces all 
operate in the manor.  


Frank






As Frank indicated, a steady magnetic   field should not be able to directly 
reduce the Coulomb barrier and hence I am   exploring the concept of a time 
changing one. 




-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier



Dave-
 
The note from Frank: The net effect is a growing field and energy release that 
work together.   The growing field involves a larger volume and coupling for 
release of small packets of energy.  Is this not a coherent system?  The 
coherency occurs as a characteristic of a bigger and bigger system (more 
particles) as required to convert the mass change at the NAE to thermal energy. 
 
 
I have indicated that spin coupling among electrons and nuclei may be involved 
in the distribution of small packets of energy without damage to the NAE 
structure.  
 
Bob
  
- Original Message -   

  
From:   David   Roberson 
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:22   AM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic   Barrier
  


  
Bob,
  
 
  
I do not understand your question.  I still believe that a large   magnetic 
field is interacting with the individual small NAE in a manner that   results 
in positive feedback among them.  The actual manner in which this   interaction 
occurs is evading me.  As Frank indicated, a steady magnetic   field should not 
be able to directly reduce the Coulomb barrier and hence I am   exploring the 
concept of a time changing one.  He appears to have a   concept that allows for 
the generation of an extremely large magnetic field   and if that field changes 
with time, then the generated electric component   might be the one I seek.
  
 
  
Do you have a concept that effectively results in the reduction of the   
Coulomb barrier that we normally discuss?  It seems that energy can be   
borrowed from the time changing magnetic field of sufficient magnitude to   
reduce the net barrier leading to LENR activity.  Once the reaction   begins, 
that borrowed energy is replaced with interest.  And, I suspect   that most of 
the released energy from the reaction enhances the original   field.  The net 
effect is a growing field and energy release that work   together.
  
 
  
One interesting feature of this mechanism would be the existence of a   
threshold effect.  Until sufficient coupling among the NEA is established   
very little energy would be released.  That could explain why it is so   very 
difficult to replicate systems.   It may not be too difficult   to get 
individual sites to react, but unless enough become involved, the total   
energy is too small to accurately measure.
  
 
  
Dave
  
  
  
-Original   Message-
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l   vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 1:58 pm
Subject: Re:   [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

  
  
  
Dave--
  
 
  
Is your concept of coherence changing?Frank is providing a cause for 
expanded scope (size) of   coherence in my mind.  
  
 
  
Thanks Frank.
  
 
  
Bob
  

- Original Message - 

From: David Roberson 

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:28 AM

Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier




I understand that a steady magnetic field can not add energy to a charged 
particle.  It can redirect the velocity vector of that particle but can not 
directly add energy to it somewhat like the behavior of an electron beam 
that is bent

Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic Barrier

The barrier is still there.  Its like a rabbit trying to get over you garden 
fence.  The barrier stops it.  You just step over it because the length of your 
step exceeds that of the barrier.  Over you go, no thump.  The ONLY way the 
Coulomb barrier can be crossed without emitting radiation,the thump, is where 
we have a force with a longer range than the Coulombic.  The expelled spin 
orbit force does the trick.


Sent from my iPad

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-14 Thread fznidarsic

Jed,  I hope that they did not deep 6 you after all of the excellent work you 
did.  You said this may happen.  If they did, you can send it somewhere else.  
They are looking for papers like that in Scotland but its a bit to far to 
travel to.  I sent you a note on this also.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:50 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest



Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:




 Seems like the contest is rigged, since it contrasted so much with the vote of 
the fqxi community . . .



If it is rigged, you would think they would pull the entire essay page and 
delete it from the index. This seems more like a glitch.


The whole page disappeared momentarily, then returned in this state, with the 
abstract, bio and link missing.


Yesterday someone uploaded a comment which later disappeared.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-14 Thread fznidarsic




It's there and leaving the competition behind!


Go Jed!





-Original Message-
From: Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest


http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2000

It's there and leaving the competition behind!

Commenter Joe Fisher show how much confusion raises when nuclear
appears inside a text...

2014-03-14 16:17 GMT+01:00  fznidar...@aol.com:
 Jed,  I hope that they did not deep 6 you after all of the excellent work
 you did.  You said this may happen.  If they did, you can send it somewhere
 else.  They are looking for papers like that in Scotland but its a bit to
 far to travel to.  I sent you a note on this also.

 Frank


 -Original Message-
 From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:50 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

 Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Seems like the contest is rigged, since it contrasted so much with the
 vote of the fqxi community . . .


 If it is rigged, you would think they would pull the entire essay page and
 delete it from the index. This seems more like a glitch.

 The whole page disappeared momentarily, then returned in this state, with
 the abstract, bio and link missing.

 Yesterday someone uploaded a comment which later disappeared.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia

2014-03-14 Thread fznidarsic

I looked at this and came up with the source of electromagnetic inertia is the 
acceleration of an energy flow.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter7.html



-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic inertia


Then my idea is bust.


But so is Special Relativity.


There is no way for my idea to be wrong and Special Relativity to survive.


John




On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:


John--
 
Yes--I meant that I would say they propagate instantaneously.  I think the 
field lines come out straight from the Sun.  
 
Bob

  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   John   Berry 
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  

Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 1:37 PM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic   inertia
  


  
  
  
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
  


John--

 

I would say that they   do. 

  
 
  
I assume you mean propagate instantaneously?
  
At least there is still the booby prize of disprovng SR.
  


  


If they didn't, it seems the magnetic fields coming from the Sun to the 
earth would consistently have an arc concaved  in the opposite direction 
from the Sun's rotation.  I do not think this is observed.  However, it may 
not have been looked for.  

 

 

 

Bob

  
  
- Original Message - 
  
From: John Berry 
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com   
  
  
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 12:11   PM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electromagnetic   inertia
  


  
  
  
  
  
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
  


John--

 

Three points for clarification:

How is the solenoid move, along the axis, perpendicular to the axis or 
rotate around the   axis?

  


  
In the case of increasing inertia, there is one solenoid and if you   saw 
it as an O of your screen, it would accelerate to the right with that   
orientation.
  
You could say in this case that the magnetic field axis is   perpendicular 
to the acceleration axis.
  


  
In the case of decreasing inertia, the axis of of the magnetic field   of 
each coil is aligned to the axis of acceleration, and one coil is in   
front and one behind.
  
If we were to try this on a spaceship, we would wrap one coil around   the 
front of the spaceship, and one around the rear.
  


  


  


Do you assume the electrons within the solenoid move at the velocity 
and acceleration of the solenoid?  If so why?

  
 
  
Because electrons tend to stay in the wire.
  
Additionally all electromagnets could be replaced by permanent   magnets.
  
 
  


Why do you assume the magnetic field moves with the speed of light?

  


  
It might move instantaneously, in fact I believe that could be the   
disproof of this idea.
  


  
But in doing so it destroys Special Relativity, though not my goal   this 
time, it is still a worthwhile discovery.
  
 
  


  It would seem it moves relative to the electrons motion and with 
inductive feedback force on the electrons.  So a question is how fast 
does the inductive force happen?

  


  
That is a good question.
  
After writing this I did find a claim that near-fields propagate   
instantaneously.
  


  
But there is no way around it, if they do Special Relativity is a   fiction.
  


  


  
BTW here is another version that might make it clearer:
  
 
  


Increase of inertia: 
Make a square solenoid air core   coil, we will label the sides left, right 
and up and down.

At rest   all sides of the solenoid repel the opposite sides equally 
leading to no   net force.
If we see the square coil as a square on our monitor and we   suddenly 
accelerate it to the right, the left side of the coil will see it   has now 
moved closer to the right side as it still sees the initial   position 
(both visually and magnetically), it is literally moving into a   denser 
portion of the right sides magnetic field because of a light speed   delay, 
and feels a stronger repulsion.

And the right side sees it   has moved further away from the left side as 
it still sees the old   position initially again so the right side feels a 
reduced repulsion as it   is in a weaker portion of the magnetic field from 
the left.

This   means that a net magnetic force to the left is created, which 
opposes the   initial acceleration.
It is as if the rest mass has increased by   electromagnetic means.

Note: It might help to make these coils

Re: [Vo]:Sagnac as disproof of Special Relativity

2014-03-04 Thread fznidarsic

Special Relativity that came out of my analysis of cold fusion.


http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays/View/3900




Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread fznidarsic

I thought of that.  Some bottles are wet inside.  Water has a very high 
dielectric constant.  
Such a device would be a moisture detector.

What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more 
in-depth analysis dielectric hysteresis)


Maybe different electro-positivety/negativity?  Sound





-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more 
in-depth analysis dielectric hysteresis)


Maybe different electro-positivety/negativity?  Sounds like a long shot in a 
practical sense.


Could the spectra that gets through show a different pattern?


Yes #5 shows colors.


What about a UV fluorescence?


I tried that nothing.  Near UV goes through all of the plastics.


What about thermal insulative properties, if some change faster after a 
temperature drop an IR camera will pick it yp.


I am there.  #1 is opaque to terahertz radiation.  #2 is transparent.  Look at 
the front of a motion detector light.  The plastic is #2.


I am not doing anything right now.  I'm not feeling good at all.  Pains all 
over and ringing ears.


John






On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:


Yes I think Peter said something about the first week in February
 
Bob

  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   ChemE Stewart   
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  

Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:13 PM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector   find
  


  
Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good   understanding of 
the potential quantum theory behind the animal, keeps Axil   grounded and knows 
most of the history. Axil adds some contemporary flare and   pinache and flips 
through cutting edge research papers like hotcakes.  


  
I am trying to connect the quantum dots with the astrophysical dudes to   see 
if our flintsones model of the universe is dead  I think it is just   about 
there.
  


  
Has anybody heard from Peter? he is awfully quiet...
  


  
Stewart
  


  
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
  


Stewart--

 

I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:)

 

 

Bob



 

  
- Original Message - 
  
From: ChemE Stewart 
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com   
  
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47   AM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector   find
  


  
I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell a   million 
books... Anyway I am having fun piecing all the parts together,   right or 
wrong and scaling it up to cosmic scales and   developing/refining a 
theory. Sort of a bottom up approach.   I find   that posting a short one 
or two page post to a blog every couple of days   is much easier than 
thinking about writing a formal book.  I have a   young editor following 
behind me and assembling the research/postings into   a few annotated 
books.   


  
I think you could be the next Tom Clancy of cold fusion...you have   a 
great skill of piecing together research papers, forming a theory and   
throwing in a little mystery and government intrigue.   


  
All good stuff.
  


  
Stewart
  


  



  


  
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Maybe you can become the new Isaac Asimov, He was a chemist who wrote a 
million books about everything with lots of references.  






On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  
I grabbed an illustration off the Chandra telescope site.   


  
http://chandra.harvard.edu/
  


  
I figured my tax dollars helped pay for it.  Amazon makes   you use the 
words annotated or illustrated in your book name if   you are using 
information within the public domain.  I have lots   of snippets, links 
and references.  It is sort of a cobbled   together theory of 
everything from an engineer with ADD.
  


  
I am putting a book out this week on Doppler Radars and their   
negative effect on biology based upon my research, but I can't decide   
between Dopplerpocalypse, DopplerGeddon, Dopplerganger or Dopzilla.
What do you think?
  


  
Stewart
  
  


  


On Saturday, March 1, 2014, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
  
That's a nice cover.  How did you make it? 








Frank



-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-01 Thread fznidarsic

That's a nice cover.  How did you make it?






Frank



-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1390339797sr=1-1



It is basically the first 6 months of my blog (darkmattersalot.com) adapted to 
an Ebook.  It is a chemical engineer's hunt for dark/vacuum energy in our 
atmosphere using basic thermodynamics, string/M theory and the National Weather 
Service... I am modeling the Sun and Earth as two branes of vacuum(6-D 
torroids) with strings and particles of vacuum stringing and streaming between 
them in the solar wind  I started tracking low pressure systems off the 
equatorial jet and polar jets in 2012 and modeling them as if they were strings 
of vacuum, triggering hurricanes(entangled strings), waterspouts, 
sinkholes/seismic(ionizing/decay where strings are entering the Earth) and 
ionizing our atmosphere as they decay in our jet streams triggering 
electromagnetic effects.  These mesovortexes and supercells that break off the 
jet streams are basically topological defects of the cosmic strings of 
vacuum that break off and decay and trigger our storms, which is really the 
inflation phase of our quantum gravity field from the solar wind. 


I have two more books coming out, one will be the next 6 months of the blog. 
The other book is focused on Doppler Microwave radars, which I think, based 
upon 6 months of study, including statistics, are triggering an increase in 
vacuum upsets around the radars, including an increase in sinkholes, shallow 
seismic events, mesovortex events, hypoxia/algae blooms in waters (through 
ionization and oxidation).


If you take what Axil, Jones, Fran and others have been talking about at the 
atomic level and scale the vacuum energy up to the cosmic level, it sort of 
follows along.   I am working with two professional researchers now and feeding 
them my data around the towers to see if they get the same results with some 
other biological data. In 1956 Doppler radars were taken from the military and 
used for weather forecasting.  Although they do a lot of good, I think they are 
also damaging biology.


I have had a lot of fun developing a theory and piecing it all together in 
whatever direction it takes me. As I have looked closely at doppler radars, I 
have been recently looking at all of the cruise ship illnesses with norovirus.  
I am looking at those large cruise ships and they have people partying on 
elevated decks directly beside and between multiple 20,000-30,000 watt pulsed 
Doppler microwave radars inside the large radomes.  I think those radars may be 
triggering the illness outbreaks.  If you are going on a cruise, I would advise 
not hanging out too close to them.  My partner was a military pilot on an 
aircraft carrier and they NEVER walked close to operating radars.


http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/02/26/does-this-seem-remotely-safe-to-anybody/



I have all sorts of scientific data I found from the 1990's on concerns with 
Doppler radars causing cancer and related disease.  Norovirus is basically 
strands of RNA, I think the microwave radars, along with the increased vacuum, 
may be creating it FROM HUMANS.


You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good idea 
to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while drinking a 
Pina Colada?? 



Stewart
darkmattersalot.com












On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

What book did you write?





I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.






-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com


Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Frank,


I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.


On Friday, February 28, 2014,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

Thanks Alan. 


 I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products are the way
to go.  


Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5 false 
signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We shall see 
how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. 
 I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.   Next going to try my 
luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies.  I 
already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.  I am going to try one of 
those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep 
infrared polarizer.


heat source etched plate--- #2 plastic-etched

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Thank you Alan G.


How?I really want to do this.  I am lacking in my knowledge of digital 
signal processing. What software?   Once I process the signal how do I get a 1 
or 0 out of my old computer?  I used to know how to get out a one with C and 
Basic.  How do I get the two software packages talking?


I am about ready to turn the detector over to Howard for testing.  #5 plastic 
is straws and bottle caps.  They either colored or to small to be detected.  I 
just wanted to do better.







I used to do something like this with the 9 pin D connectors on yesterday's 
computers.  I needed a way to stop a serial line printer upon buffer full at my 
old job in 1995. It was an odd situation with some old but critical PLC's that 
needed to print to a new serial printer.  The system worked fine until the 
office management installed a LAN printer and took away my old computer and 
printer.  It was a long story the old computer was no longer supported, they 
said.   I objected. We will get rid of the computer when we upgrade the PLC's, 
I said.   It was not an office computer or printer.  I was overridden and mad 
about it.  All of the PLC software was on floppies.  I transferred the software 
and wrote a C program to print out the ladder logic.  It's been a while and I 
don't remember all of the details.


I was too busy for this but now I had to do something.  The Basic program could 
transmit an ASKI character with all zeros.  I don't remember what character 
this was anymore.  This resulted in a zero followed by a string of ones on the 
output line. It looked something like this 0111.  The ones made a long 
pulse.  The signal did not return to zero between the ones.  I filtered the 
pulse with a resistor and a capacitor.  The zero reset the capacitor through a 
signal diode.  The string of all ones produced a high voltage in a detector and 
turned on an output. This output- was sent to the CTS pin.   I could send the 
string of ASKI characters to the 9 pin D's output with C or Basic.  I don't 
know if I can do this with a USB connector.  Perhaps that needs to be my next 
product.  A USB to single digital output.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG a...@magicsound.us
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


 #5 Plastic lets the light through in  colors.

Use a cheap camera sensor and lookat the color counts. Assuming the 
light source isbroad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high 
range ofcolor delta compared to the others.

AlanG
It's only software...

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

I now remember more.  They took away my plant/office printer. It was no longer 
supported but it was needed.   This made more than a bit of trouble for me.  I 
had to print the PLC's output into a file in the new lap top.  The D connector 
on the lap top became a printer emulator.  I needed to stop the PLC when the 
lab top's buffer was full.  The Basic program sent a back a series of  that 
went through my detector and then back to the CTS pin on the lap top.  This 
stopped the PLC when the lap tops buffer was full.  A print file was then built 
by the Basic program within the lab top.   I could then output the lab top's 
print file through the LAN system and onto the new office printer.  They did 
not like it when I tied up (the only legal) office printer with 800 pages of 
ladder logic.  No one cared.  They sold the plant and got rid of me.   I moved 
on.


-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Thank you Alan G.


How?I really want to do this.  I am lacking in my knowledge of digital 
signal processing. What software?   Once I process the signal how do I get a 1 
or 0 out of my old computer?  I used to know how to get out a one with C and 
Basic.  How do I get the two software packages talking?


I am about ready to turn the detector over to Howard for testing.  #5 plastic 
is straws and bottle caps.  They either colored or to small to be detected.  I 
just wanted to do better.







I used to do something like this with the 9 pin D connectors on yesterday's 
computers.  I needed a way to stop a serial line printer upon buffer full at my 
old job in 1995. It was an odd situation with some old but critical PLC's that 
needed to print to a new serial printer.  The system worked fine until the 
office management installed a LAN printer and took away my old computer and 
printer.  It was a long story the old computer was no longer supported, they 
said.   I objected. We will get rid of the computer when we upgrade the PLC's, 
I said.   It was not an office computer or printer.  I was overridden and mad 
about it.  All of the PLC software was on floppies.  I transferred the software 
and wrote a C program to print out the ladder logic.  It's been a while and I 
don't remember all of the details.


I was too busy for this but now I had to do something.  The Basic program could 
transmit an ASKI character with all zeros.  I don't remember what character 
this was anymore.  This resulted in a zero followed by a string of ones on the 
output line. It looked something like this 0111.  The ones made a long 
pulse.  The signal did not return to zero between the ones.  I filtered the 
pulse with a resistor and a capacitor.  The zero reset the capacitor through a 
signal diode.  The string of all ones produced a high voltage in a detector and 
turned on an output. This output- was sent to the CTS pin.   I could send the 
string of ASKI characters to the 9 pin D's output with C or Basic.  I don't 
know if I can do this with a USB connector.  Perhaps that needs to be my next 
product.  A USB to single digital output.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG a...@magicsound.us
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


 #5 Plastic lets the light through in  colors.

Use a cheap camera sensor and lookat the color counts. Assuming the 
light source isbroad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high 
range ofcolor delta compared to the others.

AlanG
It's only software...

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

Sorry about the rant but getting the 1 and 0 out of the computer brings back 
bad memories.

I had an office/ plant computer on my office.  I used to print out documents 
and to print out data from a PLC, a PLC programmer, and local displays in the 
plant.  It was OK and I was happy with it.  They then installed a LAN and a LAN 
printer in the office.  I said,  I need that printer to print out ladder logic 
and plant display listings  These displays replaced the local annunciation 
panels.  Then one day I went in my office and the printer was gone.  I was 
livid.  I tried to buy a new one on a local purchase requisition but 
information services blocked the purchase.  I had to go through them and we no 
longer supported office printers.


We had a small contractor Willtronics.  He built me an interface cable so that 
I could print to a file on my lab top.  I used Basic and the input A in the lap 
top.  It worked but over ran the buffer at times.  Basic had no control over 
the CTS pin.  I then had Wiltrinics build a cable with a resistor, capacitor, 
and a diode.  I could send back mostly 0's and mostly 1's from the lap top with 
the basic program.  These produced a one and a zero that stopped the 
transmitting device.


Then LAN printer printed on the cracks in the paper.  I had the Basic program 
change new page command command to a 1H1.  This took more hours than I had.   I 
stayed over nights (unpaid) to get it done.  I closed the door and maintenance 
would find out I was there and still knock on it with something or another.


The plant was sold upon utility deregulation.  I was let go and given a 
package.  If there is any conciliation the information services people we also 
expunged.  I explained all of this to the remaining engineer.  His eye rolled.  
When the new owner came in he just bought a new local printer.  Daah!


If there is any conciliation it happened just now. The fixed retirement was 
canceled when the plant was sold.  It was all in the 401K.   I got four more 
years of service in my package.  The extra years came in nice now.


Bob Vargo quote,  No society has ever survived after it had lost its 
industrial base.


No more rant.  Can I do this with a USB?  I know nothing about USB drivers.


Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

Thanks Alan. 


 I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products are the way
to go.  


Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5 false 
signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We shall see 
how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. 
 I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.   Next going to try my 
luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies.  I 
already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.  I am going to try one of 
those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep 
infrared polarizer.


heat source etched plate--- #2 plastic-etched plate 90 deg ---  PIR 
detector


We shall see what happens.  Maybe I will learn more and advance by two steps.
So far the costs have been low and Its been a learning experience. 


Sold 14 books in Feb.  That produced revenue of $2 per day.  My cat could live 
on it.
Thank God I had a regular job for 32 years.  This starting a business is 
difficult.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG a...@magicsound.us
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:



Thank you Alan G.



How?I really want to do this.


I would start with aprocess-control camera module, maybe 320x240 
pixels. Youshouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count  
  small means you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such
modules typically use the common I2C or similarserial control and data 
interface, and some modules will have anon-board micro controller. If I 
were doing this project, I'd writesome firmware that would look at the 
change in color informationbetween adjacent pixels and the do some simple 
statistical analysison the result. The goal is to generate a single value 
for each imagethat represents how many colors are contained in the image. 
Then allyou need is a threshold value above which the #5 plastic is
detected. Other thresholds based on luminance might be capable ofsorting 
out the other types so that a single detector could do thewhole thing.

AlanG

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

What book did you write?




I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.





-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Frank,


I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that 
count?


I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can.


On Friday, February 28, 2014,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

Thanks Alan. 


 I really still have a lot to learn.  Its fun!   Industrial products are the way
to go.  


Today I'm going to turn over my #1 detector over to the dump owner.  #5 false 
signals should not be a problem since there are no #5 bottles.   We shall see 
how it goes in actual operation. If it works OK we will have our first product. 
 I will video the operation.  I hope it is not a fiasco.   Next going to try my 
luck at #2 plastic detection.  #2 is transparent at terahertz frequencies.  I 
already have the PIR (passive infrared) detector.  I am going to try one of 
those etched plate Edmond Scientific visible spectrum analyzers as a cheep 
infrared polarizer.


heat source etched plate--- #2 plastic-etched plate 90 deg ---  PIR 
detector


We shall see what happens.  Maybe I will learn more and advance by two steps.
So far the costs have been low and Its been a learning experience. 


Sold 14 books in Feb.  That produced revenue of $2 per day.  My cat could live 
on it.
Thank God I had a regular job for 32 years.  This starting a business is 
difficult.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: AlanG a...@magicsound.us
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


  


On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:



Thank you Alan G.



How?I really want to do this.


I would start with aprocess-control camera module, maybe 320x240 
pixels. Youshouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count  
  small means you won't need a fancy image processing chip. Such
modules typically use the common I2C or similarserial control and data 
interface, and some modules will have anon-board micro controller. If I 
were doing this project, I'd writesome firmware that would look at the 
change in color informationbetween adjacent pixels and the do some simple 
statistical analysison the result. The goal is to generate a single value 
for each imagethat represents how many colors are contained in the image. 
Then allyou need is a threshold value above which the #5 plastic is
detected. Other thresholds based on luminance might be capable ofsorting 
out the other types so that a single detector could do thewhole thing.

AlanG

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

I was at a Sheetz gas station and a woman approached me.  She said she was in 
the military and trying to get back to base.  Someone stole her purse.  She had 
a check but they would not cash locally; it was good.  Would I cash it for her? 
 If I had an account in a local bank it would be no problem to cash.  It was 
for $300.


I gave her $5 in cash. I told her to put the money in gas and drive to Wal 
Mart.  It was 8 miles away.  I gave her instructions.  They were easy.  She had 
a cell phone.  From there she could call her husband and he could wire her 
money.  She said he was not near a Wall Mart.  I assured her that everyone in 
the US is within 20 miles of a Wall Mart.  Call someone and have the have the 
money sent from another Wall Mart.  It will come right away.


I drove past the gas station 1 hour later and she was there still asking for 
gas money.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?



Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:

 
I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The process 
took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive the money for 
serveral hours.


That's not good. At Bank of America you can do it on line. If you have the 
info. about the other party it only takes five minutes. I don't know how long 
it takes the money to get there. I recall they charge a lot for overseas 
transactions.


There is a way to do it with PayPal but I have never used it.


It is a pain in the butt sending money to Japan. Europe is easy.


- Jed

[Vo]:Plastic detector find

I am still working on my plastic detector.  It can't discriminate between #1 
and #5 plastic.  The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed 
between two linear polarizes.  The #1 does not.  #1 randomizes the polarization 
and the light path and becomes clear.  The effect is dramatic.  I assumed that 
the colors in #5 came from a rotation of the angle of polarization with 
frequency.  I tried a circular polarizer.  It did not, as I had hoped,  produce 
a detectable affect of this rotation.  #5 still passes a lot of light in a 
rainbow of colors.  All of the colors go through so that a color cap does not 
work.  Bottles at the dump are a little dirty so that I need a robust detection 
technique.  I need a rainbow of colors detector.  I am now stuck.  Where to the 
colors come from?  Maybe I am wrong about the rotation of the angle of 
polarization with frequency.


I learned something useful for cold fusion.  The #2 milk bottle plastic passes 
terahertz radiation freely.  I used my motion detector light as a sensor for 
terahertz radiation.  #2 will work as terahertz window in cold fusion 
experiments.




Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

Here is video of the detector in operation.  they are ready at the dump. I am 
not, as I had promised, ready.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticDetect.mp4



-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


I am still working on my plastic detector.  It can't discriminate between #1 
and #5 plastic.  The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed 
between two linear polarizes.  The #1 does not.  #1 randomizes the polarization 
and the light path and becomes clear.  The effect is dramatic.  I assumed that 
the colors in #5 came from a rotation of the angle of polarization with 
frequency.  I tried a circular polarizer.  It did not, as I had hoped,  produce 
a detectable affect of this rotation.  #5 still passes a lot of light in a 
rainbow of colors.  All of the colors go through so that a color cap does not 
work.  Bottles at the dump are a little dirty so that I need a robust detection 
technique.  I need a rainbow of colors detector.  I am now stuck.  Where to the 
colors come from?  Maybe I am wrong about the rotation of the angle of 
polarization with frequency.


I learned something useful for cold fusion.  The #2 milk bottle plastic passes 
terahertz radiation freely.  I used my motion detector light as a sensor for 
terahertz radiation.  #2 will work as terahertz window in cold fusion 
experiments.




Frank Z

[Vo]:Small business attempts

I voted for Obama and I listened to what he said. He said to start a small
business and hire someone. Its the thing to do after you have retired. I have
tried.

Cold fusion proved to be to hard of a nut for me to crack and I backed off.

I next built a cell phone adapter for older cars. I was cheep,worked well, and
could possibly save lifes. It was the kind of product that Obama ordered. I
built and tested it. A video is below.

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/blog/blog.html

Heath Kit almost took it as a kit. Too bad they went bankrupt. The product
worked but failed in the marketplace.
Consumer products are too cheep for home manufacture. I could not make the
device by myself for $9 and sell it. No large manufacturer wanted it. Darn!

Next I tried a mining relay. It detected the condition of an open ground wire.
Joy Loader invited me to their office and I presented a dog a pony show.
Companies will let you in if you have something. Once again my timing was not
right and the coal industry had other priorities. The detector they had was
good enough. I was 20 years to late with this product. I have no video of
this.

Next I wrote books; one in physics, one in electronics, and one in computer
science. These products are out but they only generate $40 per month. They
are not a commercial success. I thank you amazon and the many other who have
helped me.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-textfield-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22

Now I am into recyclable bottle detectors. I have a technical problem.

Dear President Obama. It is not easy to start a small business in today's
environment.

Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and 
washed.  All of the intact bottles float.  They arrive dirty, crushed flat, and 
with the labels on and off.


Large recyclers have methods to do this.  These methods are expensive at 
$100,000.  There are a lot of small recyclers that receive plastic from local 
recycle bins.  This is my market.  The technology must be cheep, and can 
include a  lot of labor by the local owner.  The rainbow of colors from the #5 
plastic is a condition.  It has a cause.  If I could figure out the root cause 
maybe I could discriminate upon the effect.  Like cold fusion a good theory is 
needed to help with the harnessing the rainbow effect.


light polarizer    bottle   polarizer  detector 




I always learn from doing.  The light source is a LED light bulb.  I have 
tested various bulbs and found that  LED bulbs have a high frequency response.  
They can be modulated to eliminate stray light.  I modulate mine with a half 
wave with a diode.  Then signal is then passed through a 120 hertz filter.  The 
filter consists of one resistor and one capacitor.  It a cheep method that 
works.  


The cell phone adapter picked up and echo from the automotive speaker.  I 
managed to solve this problem by splitting the phase of the stereo car speakers 
and putting the mike at the center-line of the car.  I discovered a mike that 
picked up on a close spherical wave and rejected distant plain waves. It used a 
reversed wave dispersion effect through a small hole.  A circular wave went in 
and a plane wave came out.  Pretty neat microphone design. The combination  
worked the echo was eliminated passively even when the car radio was turned up 
loud.  One manufacturer told me that passive echo elimination was unique, 
however, no one wanted a wired cell phone adapter.   There was no market.  I 
did learn about wave dispersion.


 Everyone wants to know about the latest sports score.  I can't tell them.  I 
have accumulated a lot of useless knowledge that no one wants.  The only one 
who is interested is Jones.




Frank

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

Need Ideas.  video linked below 3mb type mp4.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4



Conditon #1   Two opposed circular polarizers block the light.


Condition #2   #1 PET plastic between the polarizers lets in the light.  The 
effect is dramatic and easily detectable.


Condtion #3Other plastics #2, and #7 block the light.  #3 #4 are not 
bottles.  We do not want colored plastic.


Condition #4   #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors.  The intensity is a 
little lower than #1.  This intensity effect or the light scattering is not 
robust enough to separate dirty, crushed bottles.


Condition #5  #1 plastic behind the the #5 plastic within the detector kills 
the colors.



What is going on?  I believe that the #5 is rotating the axis of polarization 
and that the #1 is randomizing the polarization.  I have found no way to 
separate these conditions.  I tried liner polarizers and circular polarizers in 
both conditions of rotation.  The effect is always the same.


Frank Z




















http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

I know.  I am looking for a robust low cost solution.  I have found that if you 
look at the number #5 though a opposed circular polarizers you get an array of 
colors with light and dark spots.  ref the video.  If you look at the same 
plastic with the second circular polarizer reversed (+ for -) the light and 
dark spots are reversed and the colors are transposed.  If you through 3d movie 
glasses one eye sees the opposite of what the other eye sees.  Its crazy.  Axil 
were you doing that?

If you serialize the flow of plastic particles, each particle is analyzed based 
on it own optical characterization. To get high speed throughput, Process a 
1000 particles a second one at a time. Multiple parallel particle paths can 
provide any level of desired throughput.













http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4

Fwd: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?





Thank you Terry.  The bottles arrive crushed flat in the garbage truck.


I have to make another video of the reversing of the colors its neat.


I am still thinking and why not, its to cold to go outside.


Frank

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

Thank you Harry.  The polarizing technique almost works.  I don't need a robot. 
 A vacuum hose sucks up one bottle at a time from a bin.  The vacuum in the 
blocked hose retracts the hose.  We then test it and spit it one way of the 
other with another blast of air. Upon release of the bottle the hose goes down 
again on its own.   Howard has built the suck up machine.  One moving part was 
required.  Its a bit slow but we could have many.  I am the one delaying the 
project.


Frank


He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without 
the need for labels.
The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code.


Harry





-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 1:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find


Terry,


Are you being funny?

With barcodes and scanners cashiers don't need to read to price labels.


He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without 
the need for labels.
The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code.


Harry




On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
 Thank you Jones.  I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and
 washed.

Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling

[Vo]:Plastic detector progress video

2014-02-20 Thread fznidarsic

If I can't solve the world's energy problems perhaps I can help manage its 
waste.  Progress report on #1 plastic detector.  Video linked below type mp4 5 
MB.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticDetect.mp4


Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:test for greek letters

2014-02-18 Thread fznidarsic

The one that is giving me trouble is phi a circle with a line though it.  This 
is what Greek has:



φ  Φ




They are not quite right.  Here it is in symbol 


font.


Φ




Frank

Re: [Vo]:test for greek letters

2014-02-17 Thread fznidarsic

Thanks H Veeder.  These characters do text in Kindle while the font symbol does 
not.  I updated my e book with these symbols and removed words like omega.


Frank







θ ω ε ρ τ ψ υ ι ο π α σ δ φ γ η ς κ λ ζ χ ξ ω β ν μ


Θ Ω Ε Ρ Τ Ψ  Υ Ι Ο Π Α Σ Δ Φ Γ Η ς Κ Λ Ζ Χ Ξ Ω Β Ν Μ


Harry

Re: [Vo]:test for greek letters

2014-02-16 Thread fznidarsic

This has been an enigma for me.  There are Greek letters in the font symbol and 
just plain Greek letters.  I could never quite figure out what the difference 
is.  Kindle does not text symbol characters.  That's been a problem.  I will 
try these.


Frank

Re: [Vo]:tentative evidence that a coulomb field propagates rigidly

2014-02-15 Thread fznidarsic

I produced something like that from my model.  My model taken to the extreme 
states that electrons are rigid.  One of my theorems is,  Electrons do not 
bounce.  They cannot bounce their energy away and all wind up in the lowest 
energy state.  This is the root cause of Fermi statistics.  


The quantum behavior of the electron can be explained by this interaction.  
They interact through a process of elastic failure.   Elastic failure is a 
classical property.  Electrons don't bounce and interact through a process of 
elastic failure; sort of like a thrown egg.
Impedance matched systems do not bounce.  Electrons propagate through channels 
of matching impedance.  The quantification of the velocity of the process 
(1,094,000 meters per second) produced the quantum condition.


That's what I got out of cold fusion.


Frank Z

[Vo]:Wrote a song form cold fusion. 11 MB type wmv

2014-02-11 Thread fznidarsic








http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temporary/Quack.wmv




Frank Z

[Vo]:#1 plastic, Beene, and cold fusion

2014-02-02 Thread fznidarsic

I am still working at plastic bottle detection.  I have found that #1 soda 
bottle plastic has a strong resonance at tera hertz frequencies.


J.  Beene stated that this was useful.  Another nice property is that #1 
plastic is transparent to optical light.


#1 plastic is not good at letting in hydrogen.  that's not useful


Frank

[Vo]:Need suggestions on plastic detection

2014-01-31 Thread fznidarsic

I am working with my friend Howard Walker.  He is in the junk plastic business. 
 The plastic bottles are worth 12 cents a pound in bulk.  If separated into 
1,2,3,4 and 5 the plastic is worth 24 cents a pound.


I found that #1 the clear coke bottle plastic if opaque to mid infrared.  I 
blocks a security lights thermal sensor.
It transmits visible light.  This was a good find as these bottles are worth 
the most separated.  A ratio detector should work well.


I found #2 milk bottle plastic is opaque to a blue LED light.  The mid infrared 
goes right through it.
A ratio detector should work well.


I have found no detection method for #5 semi clear plastic.  All light goes 
through it.  Darn!
It does, however, scatter a red laser.  I am not sure it this effect can be 
employed.


They are all transparent to a UV black light.  I did not expect this!


The bottles are all smashed up and the detection technique must be robust.  We 
will use a transmission test to avoid the
labels.  No transmission because of a label is not a condition.


They are all transparent to near IR when I check it with my video camera and a 
TV remote.  Too bad.


any ideas?


Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Need suggestions on plastic detection

2014-01-31 Thread fznidarsic

Thank you Axil.  We only want to do plastic bottles.
There is a company that does this in the mid IR but I believe crushed up dirty 
bottles may confuse it.


The ratio to mid IR to blue light is really profound with the #1 soda bottles 
and the
#2 milk bottles.  I was surprised how well those cloudy milk bottles 
transmitted mid IR.
The detectors are used in motion detection and optical light and are realty 
available. I should be able to get this ratio method to work.


I am still miffed by the #3,4, and 5 bottles.


Frank

Fwd: [Vo]:Need suggestions on plastic detection

2014-01-31 Thread fznidarsic

I don't have any poloriod.  If you do, please look at the plastic transmission 
through poloroid let me know what happens.  How do the plastics react to 
poloroid light?




Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR


a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz



Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now add the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 




http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504



Frank Znidarsic



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



 
 

From:Ron Kita 


 

I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR  postsbut 

I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on Dennis Bushnell

citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed toinitate the

LENR reaction:

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane

 

 
Hi Ron,
 
Thanks for posting this.It confirms what we have been talking about in related 
threads about theconnection between intense THz and the SPP as the active 
modality.
 
In the HotCat – it appearsthat Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of how to 
get coherent radiation inthis spectrum (where lasers are simply not available) 
by using a monochromaticemitter of FIR (far infrared), and then merely applying 
resistance heat to thatemitter. Once the emitter comes up to temperature, the 
energy needed to maintainit drops by a large factor – thus providing control. 
That temperature isnear the runaway temp- so added control is needed.
 
Maybe I am giving Rossimore credit than he is due.

Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR





Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now factor in the size and get the velocity 
1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 






What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second?  Its the velocity of sound in 
the nucleus.



What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the 
electronic structure.


Your get:


The energy levels of all of the atoms.
The intensity of spectral emission.
The enegy and the frequency of the photon
The S,P,D, and F orbits.
A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel.
The deBroglie wave.


extrapolate and get:


The technology of antigravity
and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions.






Its all in my very cheep paperback,Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity






Frank Znidarsic








-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz



Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now add the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 




http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504



Frank Znidarsic



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



 
 

From:Ron Kita 


 

I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR  postsbut 

I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on Dennis Bushnell

citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed toinitate the

LENR reaction:

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane

 

 
Hi Ron,
 
Thanks for posting this.It confirms what we have been talking about in related 
threads about theconnection between intense THz and the SPP as the active 
modality.
 
In the HotCat – it appearsthat Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of how to 
get coherent radiation inthis spectrum (where lasers are simply not available) 
by using a monochromaticemitter of FIR (far infrared), and then merely applying 
resistance heat to thatemitter. Once the emitter comes up to temperature, the 
energy needed to maintainit drops by a large factor – thus providing control. 
That temperature isnear the runaway temp- so added control is needed.
 
Maybe I am giving Rossimore credit than he is due.

Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

Thank you Fran.  Theories such as Storm's theory of cracks and Widdom Larson's 
theory are based on conventional thinking applied under an extreme condition.  
These theories consider only the static Coulombic force and the static strong 
nuclear force.  Even mills with his exotic hydrions considers only the static 
forces.  As in the battle between Kann and Kirk;  Kirk defeated Kann by his 
three dimensional thinking.  There is another force at work in the nucleus.  
They cannot account for the lack of high energy emissions.


I am an electric engineer.  The only thing I have ever done with the static 
electric field is to rub a balloon on my head and stick to to the wall. I have, 
however, worked extensively with the dynamic magnetic component of the 
electrical field.  This is second nature for an electrical engineer.   There is 
a dynamic magnetic component of the nuclear force.  Its called the spin orbit 
force.  Like the electro-magnetic force; it is not conserved and can increase 
without bound.  It tends to flip nucleons and induce a beta decay.  How do we 
make it stronger?  Vibrate a Bose condensate.  In my language,  The Constants 
of the Motion Tend Toward the Electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is 
Vibrated at a Dimensional Frequency of 1.094 megahertz meters.


The motion constants are related to motion.  Motion is carried by the magnetic 
components of the static force fields.  Why that speed?  When the velocity of 
nuclear cluster equals the velocity of sound in the nucleus and impedance 
matched condition emerges.  This is the condition of the quantum jump.  The 
quantum condition of the atom emerged from an analysis of this speed. An 
extrapolation produced low level nuclear reactions.  I believe that is a big 
story and that it goes way beyond cold fusion.  It has produced the quantum 
condition as a subset of the Newtonian mechanics and it shows how to 
classically control all of the natural forces.


The solutions are simple and require only the simple harmonic motion of 
advanced high school physics.


Frank



Frank Znidarsic



-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



Frank..
 Re your extrapolation [snip] extrapolate and get:The technology of antigravity 
and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. [/snip] 
 
I not only agree but I think it is antigravity that will finally break the back 
of skepticism regarding LENR.. Like you I followed with interest the claims 
ofEugene Podkletnov and played with meisner effect in the environmental lab at 
work trying to use some liquid nitrogen and a bulk magnetic eraser to tickle 
the effect out of my very amateur experiment..  I think the effect in LENR will 
require motion to detect the gravitational effect but once a compact mobile 
method of LENR becomes available it will soon be discovered there are also 
anomalous inertial effects involved…like we see radioactive decay rate 
anomalies it is a temporal effect,  presently these reactors are large and 
stationary but I predict a portable reactor placed running on one side of a 
balance beam will significantly slow down the reaction to changes in weight on 
the opposite arm of the balance as opposed to changes in weight when the 
reactor is turned off. The gas becomes relativistic due to the casimir geometry 
and it will present additional opposition beyond 3d to the normal inertia of 
the bulk powder or catalyst. IMHO  this opposition will be 90 degrees from any 
spatial vector and simply slow the normal inertia like a flywheel but without a 
spatial bias.
Fran
 
 
 
From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR
 


 

Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now factor in the size and get the velocity 
1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 



 



 
What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second?  Its the velocity of sound in 
the nucleus.



 
What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the 
electronic structure.



Your get:



The energy levels of all of the atoms.
The intensity of spectral emission.
The enegy and the frequency of the photon
The S,P,D, and F orbits.
A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel.
The deBroglie wave.



extrapolate and get:



The technology of antigravity
and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions.









Its all in my very cheep paperback,Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity









Frank Znidarsic






 
 

-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue

Fwd: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

I have had a different experience than a nuclear engineer.


When I was just out of high school I was building unlicensed radio 
transmitters.  I had an old radio with a tuning eye.  I had one transmitter 
that when I turned it all the radio's eye wrapped twice around.  I got scared 
and gave it up.  
Who knows how much power I was putting out from that large tube.  My did would 
be mad if I got arrested!


Skip ahead a few years and there I was in college sitting in Richard Bender's 
electronics class.  He was going over the air core transformer.  I was 
interested.  I had made these things for my radio transmitter.  Richard said, 
The inductance = the inductance of the primary + the inductance of the 
secondary + a third mutual inductance.  What where did this emergent inductance 
come from?  More magnetism that came from nothing.  I was upset, this would 
make the test harder.  Magnetism is not a conserved force.  Somethings it 
springs out of nowhere.  This is a general property of all of the magnetic 
forces.  Much later in life I realized that it was also a property of the 
nuclear magnetic spin orbit force.  The mutual nuclear magnetic force can be, 
under the right conditions be 10 exp 39 power greater than the normal spin 
orbit force.  The same property applies to the gravitomangetic force.  I 
started picking up on this after speaking with David Noever.


Nuclear physicists would say that the range of the spin orbit force is only 
that of the strong force.  In an electrical conductor the static electrical 
forces balance.  There is no static electrical force emerging from the 
conductor.  Yet there it is, on its own, a strong magnetic field.  The same 
applies to the spin orbit force.  It range is an affect of the construction of 
the conductor.  It this case its a proton conductor not an electron conductor.


Frank

Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

I don't know if anyone is now interested in this.  Its old stuff.  If you watch 
Walter Lewin at MIT Academic Earth 
he says often the the magnetic force is non-conservative.


Energy and momentum are conserved in equations.  No one ever wrote an equation 
that conserves magnetic flux.  This just goes without saying.  I, however,  say 
it loudly in my published works.  The only things that are not conserved are 
inertial mass and magnetic flux.  They are related as magnetic fields carries 
the inertial mass of moving stuff.


Electrical engineers employ soft iron to increase the magnetic force. Soft iron 
increase the flux produced by a coil by a factor of about 10,000. I found the 
soft iron equivalent for the other forces.  Its a vibrating Bose condensate.


Frank







-Original Message-
From: Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 3:30 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



 What where did this emergent inductance come from?  More magnetism that came 
from nothing.  I was upset, this would make the test harder.  Magnetism is not 
a conserved force.  Somethings it springs out of nowhere.  This is a general 
property of all of the magnetic force s.   
 
The above interests me but are there any specifics on this, especially 
published papers?

[Vo]:got a good review


He could not put the book down.  What would you expect, is it not a book about 
antigravity?




http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1YHIGP67NX9UO/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8sort_by=MostRecentReview




Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:energy driven superconductivity and IR coherence for LENR

2014-01-26 Thread fznidarsic



The inside of a carbonnanotube would seem to favor a single line of dense 
hydrogen.


Low level nuclear reactions work with atomic hydrogen.  Atomic hydrogen is 
stored in a proton conductor.
Carbon nano-tubes store molecular hydrogen.


Frank




-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 2:12 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:energy driven superconductivity and IR coherence for LENR



Very interesting Kevin.
 
This could be especiallyrelevant if the tubes in question are shown to be a 
composite, made withgraphite fibers, or CNT.
 
The inside of a carbonnanotube would seem to favor a single line of dense 
hydrogen. 
 
The hydrogen may technicallynot need to be 1-D so much as to have an extreme 
ratio of length to diameter.
 

From:Kevin O'Malley 
 
***I have a theory to propose.  It could be a onedimensional BEC rather than 3 
dimensional.  By that, I mean that there's aBEC forming along a single line of 
atoms (1dimensional), not along a plane(2dimensional) nor in a cube 
(3dimensional).  So it's a partial BEC.

Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3

2014-01-25 Thread fznidarsic

Hydrinos, shmeamos.  Jones is on the right track with his energy coherence.  
Exaggerated claims do not attract me.  Mill's device is a million times hotter 
than fire!  That would place the temp at 3 billion degrees.  That would be 
hotter than a Tokamak.  I uses very hot hydrodynamics.  What does he make the 
electrodes out of, neutronium!   That's a claim in itself.  An what about all 
of those hydrinos, where do they go?  What about all of the x-rays from the an 
inner election reactions.  Why is he not dead?


Reminds me of many older inventors who have failed.  Henry Moray for example.  
Not only did his device produce energy but it could detected the faintest radio 
signals.  In today's world of satellite communications such a claim is truly 
dated.


Chankov, not only did his technology produce energy but he cold make strong 
ingredients through a process infinite dilution.




Frank Z



-Original Message-
From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com; cmns c...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:53 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3



 
This chapter is dedicated to Jones, others are welcome as well.
 
Please read:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf
 
In the Technical Presentation, read pp. 2-3, and 23-31 [but anything else that 
suits your fancy].
 
The first two pages of the Technical Presentation is a terse summary of GUTCP. 
Page 23 is a listing of methods identifying hydrinos.
 
The following pages discuss the conditions wherein H can act as a catalyst. The 
potential energy of an isolated H atom is 13.6 eV. The energy of the catalyst 
must be m(27.2] eV. Such can be supplied by many arrangements, including 2H.2H 
 H{1/4] + 2H + 24 eV. Because this is a three-body reaction, it is seen only 
where here is a high concentration of H atoms [such as at the cathode of in 
electrolytic cell in the apparatus on p.30. [I speculate that H   [h[1/4] 
catalysis may be a source of ‘excess heat’ in CF electrolytic cell experiments. 
This is my conjecture.]
 
The cited pages above contain the core of the CIHT chemistry.
 
The apparatus illustrated on p.30 was built by BLP, but the reported study and 
the spectrum of p.31 came from a study sponsored by GEN3 Partners at the 
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. None were employees of LP.
 
An intense beam of protons is illuminated by an intense bam of electrons, which 
combine to form a cloud hydrogen atoms in which many interactions can occur. 
The light from these reactions is in the low nanometer range of soft X-rays. 
The spectrum is recorded by a vacuuc spectrometer. No continuum spectrum was 
produced by helium.
 
The six ‘Validation’ reports on the website deserve respectful attention. 
Although on-site and coached by Mills, the ‘validators’ built he cells 
themselves and conducted tests with instruments whose calibrations are 
traceable to NIST. The reports and resumes are on the .website. Over the years 
experiments by Dr. Conrads in Germany, and Dr. Jonathan Phillips, U. New 
Mexico,  have done supporting experiments. One of the six ‘validaors’, ENSER 
corporation, went on to off-site, independent validation of the CIHT cell 
operation. Their new report is on the BLP website. 
 
“Independent verification” is a gold standard. Over the years several groups 
have ‘tested’ Mills’ claims. However, they did not *duplicated*the instruments 
or protocols, effectively doing *another* non-Mills experiment.
 
Mike Carrell

Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3

2014-01-25 Thread fznidarsic



Also the hydrino reaction is much more energetic ( 200x).


So then where are the X-rays?




-Original Message-
From: P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3



 
Frank, 
 
You say that  Mill`s device is a million times hotter than fire.
That is not correct:
The powerdensity of the hydrino reaction is 1 million times higher that that of 
gasoline combusion mainly due to the rate of hydrino transition compared to the 
rate of gasoiline combustion ( 5000 times higher)
So per second many more reactions can take place then during gasolibe 
combustion.
Also the hydrino reaction is much more energetic ( 200x).
The hydrinotransition can cause significant Balmerline broadening ( 50 eV).
The electrodes can hold that kind of temperature, when adequately cooled.
 
Peter v Noorden 
  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   fznidar...@aol.com 
  
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:27   AM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understandin BLP:   Chapter 3
  


Hydrinos, shmeamos.Jones is on the right track with his energy coherence.  
Exaggerated   claims do not attract me.  Mill's device is a million times 
hotter than   fire!  That would place the temp at 3 billion degrees.  That 
would   be hotter than a Tokamak.  I uses very hot hydrodynamics.  What does   
he make the electrodes out of, neutronium!   That's a claim in itself.An 
what about all of those hydrinos, where do they go?  What about   all of the 
x-rays from the an inner election reactions.  Why is he not   dead?   


  
Reminds me of many older inventors who have failed.  Henry Moray for   example. 
 Not only did his device produce energy but it could detected   the faintest 
radio signals.  In today's world of satellite communications   such a claim is 
truly dated.
  


  
Chankov, not only did his technology produce energy but he cold make   strong 
ingredients through a process infinite dilution.
  


  


  
Frank Z


  
-Original   Message-
From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com
To: vortex-l   vortex-l@eskimo.com; cmns c...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat,   Jan 25, 2014 5:53 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Understandin BLP: Chapter 3

  
  
  
  
 
  
This chapter is dedicated to Jones, others are welcome as   well.
  
 
  
Please read:
  
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf
  
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/GEN3_Harvard.pdf
  
 
  
In the Technical Presentation, read pp. 2-3, and 23-31   [but anything else 
that suits your fancy].
  
 
  
The first two pages of the Technical Presentation is a   terse summary of 
GUTCP. Page 23 is a listing of methods identifying   hydrinos.
  
 
  
The following pages discuss the conditions wherein H can   act as a catalyst. 
The potential energy of an isolated H atom is 13.6 eV. The   energy of the 
catalyst must be m(27.2] eV. Such can be supplied by many   arrangements, 
including 2H.2H  H{1/4] + 2H + 24 eV. Because this is a   three-body reaction, 
it is seen only where here is a high concentration of H   atoms [such as at the 
cathode of in electrolytic cell in the apparatus on   p.30. [I speculate that H 
  [h[1/4] catalysis may be a source of   ‘excess heat’ in CF electrolytic cell 
experiments. This is my   conjecture.]
  
 
  
The cited pages above contain the core of the CIHT   chemistry.
  
 
  
The apparatus illustrated on p.30 was built by BLP, but   the reported study 
and the spectrum of p.31 came from a study sponsored by   GEN3 Partners at the 
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. None were   employees of LP.
  
 
  
An intense beam of protons is illuminated by an intense   bam of electrons, 
which combine to form a cloud hydrogen atoms in which many   interactions can 
occur. The light from these reactions is in the low nanometer   range of soft 
X-rays. The spectrum is recorded by a vacuuc spectrometer. No   continuum 
spectrum was produced by helium.
  
 
  
The six ‘Validation’ reports on the website deserve   respectful attention. 
Although on-site and coached by Mills, the ‘validators’   built he cells 
themselves and conducted tests with instruments whose   calibrations are 
traceable to NIST. The reports and resumes are on the   .website. Over the 
years experiments by Dr. Conrads in Germany, and Dr.   Jonathan Phillips, U. 
New Mexico,  have done supporting experiments. One   of the six ‘validaors’, 
ENSER corporation, went on to off-site, independent   validation of the CIHT 
cell operation. Their new report is on the BLP website.   
  
 
  
“Independent verification” is a gold standard. Over the   years several groups 
have ‘tested’ Mills’ claims. However, they did not   *duplicated*the 
instruments or protocols, effectively doing   *another* non-Mills experiment.
  
 
  
Mike Carrell

Re: [Vo]:Reply to Frank Zindarsik

2014-01-25 Thread fznidarsic

Oh  I was not there.

Re: [Vo]:MHD- from Russia with Love...

2014-01-22 Thread fznidarsic

Very interesting.  Can such a device convert terahertz radiation into DC power?

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 10:31 am
Subject: [Vo]:MHD- from Russia with Love...

Speaking of intentional deception in a patent application ... (which BTW
voids that patent application if it can be proved - and is not tolerated by
USPTO) there is the issue of MHD.

Any patent or claim that proposes to convert heat into electricity based on
MHD is probably nothing but hot air, unless... they have benefitted from the
Russian connection (to be explained). It has been a dozen years since this
first came up, but now, it is all starting to makes sense. (unless, of
course, the following explanation is giving BLP more credit than they
deserve).

Any direct conversion feature (heat into electricity) would be highly
unlikely without the Russian resource, since there is no commercially
available hardware in the USA to accomplish the task. Literally billions of
dollars were been spent over the past 50 years trying to adapt MHD
conversion to coal and natural gas as the first stage of a compound system
with steam second. NASA and DoE both failed. The technical challenges are
overwhelming. 

In fact, the only place where commercial MHD was placed into actual service
was Russia. Japan may have licensed the tech from Russia. This comes to mind
now, since there was indeed a type of direct conversion device which is
similar to MHD and was the primary part of an earlier BLP effort known the
reverse gyrotron. 

To become an informed observer on this demo next week, one can best
understand the present situation with bit of history - and with an
appreciation of Cuccia coupling.  (short summary: Cuccia coupling is the
only known way to convert UV, which is where the hydrino energy originates,
into electron acceleration and it is done via microwave as the coupling
agent). Once UV is absorbed, the hot electrons are separated by vector
alteration and collected on an electrode, just as if we were dealing with a
high powered triode. 

OK - This device may not be part of the upcoming demo, since Mills has
lowered expectations to almost zero - but to my thinking in the historical
context, it would be the one detail which would not only make this demo into
something extremely important, but also clarify what is going on. An
associate who followed BLP closely before he died - related that years ago
(circa 2002) when Mills failed to adapt a gyrotron successfully in his first
version, the Russian group below contacted BLP with a working model of a
device that could do it, but Mills' ego was such that he rebuffed them.
Perhaps he had a change of heart - and now, a decade later - we see the
results. 

I see one of the Russian papers is still up. Pictures of the working model
gyrotron are shown. Maybe BLP came to its senses and is now working with
whatever capitalist company in the New Russia took over this technology.
Or maybe BLP was waiting on their patent to expire, who knows?

http://jre.cplire.ru/jre/sep99/1/text.html

It is possible that Mills has adapted a Russian gyrotron device to do this.
Otherwise, the chances that a home-grown MHD system is being used for direct
conversion seem slim-to-none, due to the extreme technical challenge. Even
Mills does not have the financial resource for that.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency

2014-01-19 Thread fznidarsic

Brilliant work Jones.

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:47 am
Subject: [Vo]:Triple Coherency

About 7 years ago here on Vortex - before the plasmon/polariton technology
was being spread around cyberspace as being particularly relevant to some
types of LENR (by NASA no less)- and long before the Rossi HotCat, we raised
a relevant issue called triple coherency.

Basically, the question was posed: What would happens if one can engineer a
constant and coherent flux of three different forms of mass/energy within a
closed reactor:

1) photons
2) electrons (local AC)
3) phonons

And moreover would a new kind of condensate emerge? A 'new kind of
condensate' means a macro-state in which we are not restricted by bosons or
by near zero Kelvin temperatures, but are considering the next larger
plateau of interlocking geometries, which are conjoined by abnormal but
coherent energy dynamics at a higher level. It is misleading to refer to
this as a BEC.

Forcing all three parameters into some kind of mutual coherency (or
superradiance) would be limited by several factors, mostly by the geometric
excursion possibilities of the heaviest (densest) component: phonons.
Therefore this kind of triple-coherency could probably only happen in the IR
(far infrared or FIR) spectrum, since melting or easy deformation of the
lattice structure would be expected at anything over about 1000C. 

This state of dynamic triple-coherency, which is happening well above the
cryogenic range of the BEC, could be a 'sine qua non' of one very special
form of LENR - the Rossi effect. 

BTW - we call this technology nickel-hydrogen, but the lattice can be
composed of other transition metals or alloys, besides nickel. I mention
that to counter one of Mills remarks that his reaction is not like Rossi's
because he does not need nickel per se. Nickel happens to have the needed
lattice (phonon and magnetic) properties at a relatively low price, but the
Rossi effect can probably happen without it.

Anyway, looking back on this flash of insight (triple coherency) now, it
seems pretty clear that the hypothesis fits quite well with the idea of
surface plasmons being stimulated by IR in the range seen in the HotCat
which seems to involve  geometry of 5-30 microns for the phonon or exciton,
and with a corresponding electron hole of a similar dimension, and 3-30
THz for the photon and the plasmon, around which we find a local AC field. 

Therefore, to put an actual value on the key variable which is to be made
coherent - we could start with something like 27 THz as the desired
frequency. Check out the extremely sharp peak here between 10.5 and 11
microns. This is why the HotCat is using SiC.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9903031.pdf

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency

2014-01-19 Thread fznidarsic

Yes, when the group velocity of the dissolved protons = 1 million meters per 
second magic happens.

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 1:34 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Triple Coherency

Thanks Frank … and BTW– for those not familiar with Frank’s observations … 
itshould be mentioned, even though he did not, that this parameter space seems 
tobe consistent (or within a close range) with “megahertz-meter” …no?

From:fznidar...@aol.com 

Brilliantwork Jones.

-OriginalMessage-
From: Jones Beene 
About 7 years ago here on Vortex - beforethe plasmon/polariton technology
was being spread around cyberspace as being particularly relevant to some
types of LENR (by NASA no less)- and long before the Rossi HotCat, we raised
a relevant issue called triple coherency.

Basically, the question was posed: What would happens if one can engineer a
constant and coherent flux of three different forms of mass/energy within a
closed reactor:

1) photons
2) electrons (local AC)
3) phonons

And moreover would a new kind of condensate emerge? A 'new kind of
condensate' means a macro-state in which we are not restricted by bosons or
by near zero Kelvin temperatures, but are considering the next larger
plateau of interlocking geometries, which are conjoined by abnormal but
coherent energy dynamics at a higher level. It is misleading to refer to
this as a BEC.

Forcing all three parameters into some kind of mutual coherency (or
superradiance) would be limited by several factors, mostly by the geometric
excursion possibilities of the heaviest (densest) component: phonons.
Therefore this kind of triple-coherency could probably only happen in the IR
(far infrared or FIR) spectrum, since melting or easy deformation of the
lattice structure would be expected at anything over about 1000C. 

This state of dynamic triple-coherency, which is happening well above the
cryogenic range of the BEC, could be a 'sine qua non' of one very special
form of LENR - the Rossi effect. 

BTW - we call this technology nickel-hydrogen, but the lattice can be
composed of other transition metals or alloys, besides nickel. I mention
that to counter one of Mills remarks that his reaction is not like Rossi's
because he does not need nickel per se. Nickel happens to have the needed
lattice (phonon and magnetic) properties at a relatively low price, but the
Rossi effect can probably happen without it.

Anyway, looking back on this flash of insight (triple coherency) now, it
seems pretty clear that the hypothesis fits quite well with the idea of
surface plasmons being stimulated by IR in the range seen in the HotCat
which seems to involve  geometry of 5-30 microns for the phonon or exciton,
and with a corresponding electron hole of a similar dimension, and 3-30
THz for the photon and the plasmon, around which we find a local AC field. 

Therefore, to put an actual value on the key variable which is to be made
coherent - we could start with something like 27 THz as the desired
frequency. Check out the extremely sharp peak here between 10.5 and 11
microns. This is why the HotCat is using SiC.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9903031.pdf

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency

2014-01-19 Thread fznidarsic

No have seen pictures of Alkena the beautiful alien on the internet.  I would 
like to meet her.




Does that nullify my aliens farting through a wormhole induced by coherent 
EMF theory of cold fusion?





-Original Message-
From: torulf.greek torulf.gr...@bredband.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Triple Coherency


Some similarity to Hagelsteins theory.
No photons but a nuclear state, phonons and a nuclear dump state.
 
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:41:28 -0500, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

Does that nullify my aliens farting through a wormhole induced by coherent 
EMF theory of cold fusion?

On Sunday, January 19, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:



Thanks Frank … and BTW – for those not familiar with Frank’s observations … it 
should be mentioned, even though he did not, that this parameter space seems to 
be consistent (or within a close range) with “megahertz-meter” … no? 
  
 

From: fznidar...@aol.com 
 
 
Brilliant work Jones.



-Original Message-
 From: Jones Beene 
About 7 years ago here on Vortex - before the plasmon/polariton technology
was being spread around cyberspace as being particularly relevant to some
types of LENR (by NASA no less)- and long before the Rossi HotCat, we raised
a relevant issue called triple coherency.
 
Basically, the question was posed: What would happens if one can engineer a
constant and coherent flux of three different forms of mass/energy within a
closed reactor:
 
1) photons
2) electrons (local AC)
3) phonons
 
And moreover would a new kind of condensate emerge? A 'new kind of
condensate' means a macro-state in which we are not restricted by bosons or
by near zero Kelvin temperatures, but are considering the next larger
plateau of interlocking geometries, which are conjoined by abnormal but
coherent energy dynamics at a higher level. It is misleading to refer to
this as a BEC.
 
Forcing all three parameters into some kind of mutual coherency (or
superradiance) would be limited by several factors, mostly by the geometric
excursion possibilities of the heaviest (densest) component: phonons.

[Vo]:ball lightning

2014-01-18 Thread fznidarsic

http://phys.org/news/2014-01-instance-ball-lightning-captured-video.html#ajTabs

[Vo]:Jed you could do this.

2014-01-17 Thread fznidarsic

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Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement

2014-01-14 Thread fznidarsic

If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW.   Its is an 
electrical fault.  I seen this action and yes it will explode.
  There device is not sold state.  LENR is a sold state reaction.  I am not 
convinced.



-Original Message-
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com
Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am
Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement



1) This part:


10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW


2)This part:


The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was 
recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering 
design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically 
expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma,


Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are 
claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or 
measurement...









2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com

This, this time seems to be remarkable progress-
if true:


http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html


Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter.
Not LENR, but energy


Peter



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[Vo]:get your cookie read


At the bottom of my web page there is a table.  The web page reads your 
browsers time zone and language and presents this info on a table.  I can tell 
something about the readers.  It then goes on to check what chapters they have 
read.  This has been up for many years.  It used to get the data messed up.   I 
had some time and finally fixed the bug.  The bug was in the Inner HTML method. 
 I relapsed that method with a print table method.


I also made a link that when someone picks it; it tells where the link came in 
from. It a link to a per script.  I posted the link on a Guardian blog 8 years 
ago.  Readers are still coming in from the the Guardian.  It's amazing that 
they are coming in after all of that time.  The Guardian has some reach.






http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/




Frank

[Vo]:Re: get your cookie read

I forgot.  If you pick change my name and enter your name.  It writes that 
name into a cookie within your browser.  The next time you come in it reads the 
cookie and presents this name on the table.


I guess the real people who do this stuff and NSA can tell much more.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 10:06 am
Subject: get your cookie read


At the bottom of my web page there is a table.  The web page reads your 
browsers time zone and language and presents this info on a table.  I can tell 
something about the readers.  It then goes on to check what chapters they have 
read.  This has been up for many years.  It used to get the data messed up.   I 
had some time and finally fixed the bug.  The bug was in the Inner HTML method. 
 I relapsed that method with a print table method.


I also made a link that when someone picks it; it tells where the link came in 
from. It a link to a per script.  I posted the link on a Guardian blog 8 years 
ago.  Readers are still coming in from the the Guardian.  It's amazing that 
they are coming in after all of that time.  The Guardian has some reach.






http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/




Frank

[Vo]:Fwd: get your cookie read

Here is how the special  link works.  If you pick the link below it extracts 
the name after the ? mark.  In this case it is Vortex_Demo.  That name is 
presented on the table at the bottom of my web page.  If I post a link to a 
blog I can then tell if anyone has picked the link.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo



Frank

[Vo]:Fwd: get your cookie read

I see vortex demo has already come on the table.  You can change the name after 
the question mark to read something else if you would like to test it.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo


I may add a chapter to my Computer Project book to teach how to do this.  The 
name after the ? mark will come up on the blog.  


http://www.amazon.com/COMPUTER-PROJECT-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B00HQ79JPC/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1389541701sr=1-3keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22


Frank



-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 10:29 am
Subject: Fwd: get your cookie read


Here is how the special  link works.  If you pick the link below it extracts 
the name after the ? mark.  In this case it is Vortex_Demo.  That name is 
presented on the table at the bottom of my web page.  If I post a link to a 
blog I can then tell if anyone has picked the link.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo



Frank

[Vo]:Re: get your cookie read

Thanks for the HI Frank on my web page monitoring system. I have added a short
chapter to my book Computer Project. It tells how to put data after the
question mark. A HTML form normally sends data to a Perl script after a
question mark. This data can also be manually sent to the Perl program. The
result is a a self reporting link. After reporting to a table the Script can
redirect the browser any web page. You may have seen these kind of links before
with the = singes after the question mark. Here is the one in do in my book
example. Its sends the name index, the password blue, and the comment The
Tribune to my blog. Then it redirects to display the blog. In my book I tell
how to redirect it anywhere after extracting this info.

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/zptblog.pl?name=indexpassword=bluecomment=The_Tribuneselect=Link_and_Report

I know that this stuff is a bit off topic but I learned it to present
information a write books after the Journal Editors universally rejected my
papers. Why not use it in another way and take their profit?

I see vortex demo has already come on the table. You can change the name after
the question mark to read something else if you would like to test it.

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo

I may add a chapter to my Computer Project book to teach how to do this. The
name after the ? mark will come up on the blog.

http://www.amazon.com/COMPUTER-PROJECT-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B00HQ79JPC/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1389541701sr=1-3keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22

Frank

-Original Message-

Here is how the special link works. If you pick the link below it extracts
the name after the ? mark. In this case it is Vortex_Demo. That name is
presented on the table at the bottom of my web page. If I post a link to a
blog I can then tell if anyone has picked the link.

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/cgi-bin/ZeroPointTechnologies.pl?Vortex_Demo

Frank

[Vo]:Computer Project

2014-01-07 Thread fznidarsic


I have read the file several more times and I believe that all of the errors 
are out.  The cover is nice.  I have released rev 0.




http://www.amazon.com/COMPUTER-PROJECT-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B00HQ79JPC/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1389107308sr=1-1keywords=computer+project




Frank Z

[Vo]:look how many I have now

2014-01-07 Thread fznidarsic

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_gnr_aps?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Afrank+znidarsickeywords=frank+znidarsicie=UTF8qid=1389109100




Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:Predictions 2014

2014-01-03 Thread fznidarsic

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/isaac-asimov-2014_n_4530785.html


What do you see?


Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread fznidarsic

They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown.  It will be tethered 
and fly at 20,000 feet.  The other parts will be built in Texas.  The 
technology is classified. What next?


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 4:56 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins



Saying except for the explosion is rather Pythonesque.  Hopefully, they have 
enough helium.

Fwd: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread fznidarsic

Maybe it will hold a death ray.  Such a thing was predicted 75 years ago.

-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 5:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown.  It will be tethered 
and fly at 20,000 feet.  The other parts will be built in Texas.  The 
technology is classified. What next?

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 4:56 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

Saying except for the explosion is rather Pythonesque.  Hopefully, they have 
enough helium.

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread fznidarsic

I don't know Jed.  The details are unknown to me.  Why bother building such a 
thing?  As the found out in WWI they are extremely vulnerable.  Satellites are 
better and more secure.  


That is quite a long tether! I wonder what it is made of.
That's good question also.






Frank



-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins



fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown.


A zeppelin or a blimp? A zeppelin has internal structure.
 
  It will be tethered and fly at 20,000 feet.


That is quite a long tether! I wonder what it is made of.


- Jed

[Vo]:Jan 2 to 4th free promotion Electronics Project

2014-01-01 Thread fznidarsic


Jan 2  to 4th free promotion of Electronic Project




http://www.amazon.com/Electronics-Project-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B007OWFI3G/ref=sr_1_cc_3?s=apsie=UTF8qid=1388595833sr=1-3-catcorrkeywords=frank+znidarsic


Computer Project will not be ready for at least 40 days.  Energy, Cold 
Fusion, and Antigravity sold 20 copes in Dec.


Happy New Year to you all.






Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Jan 2 to 4th free promotion Electronics Project

2014-01-01 Thread fznidarsic

Made my first sale for 2014.  I am happy with it.


1   Electronics Project  B007OWFI3G101000


I also know how to solve the thermal stability problem in cold fusion.  It 
leads to a more efficient initiation of the reaction.


I have a provisional patent on the process.  Someone you all know invited me 
out to his organization.  He has a copy of the provisional patent.  He wants to 
put me before the board.


We shall see what 2014 brings..  Cold fusion is tough.  Books are penny-auntie.


Most of my concentration if focuesd on Debbie.  I want her back, no body knows 
why.  She is a mess, however, I cannot be happy without her.


Frank






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Jan 2  to 4th free promotion of Electronic Project




http://www.amazon.com/Electronics-Project-Znidarsic-Science-Books-ebook/dp/B007OWFI3G/ref=sr_1_cc_3?s=apsie=UTF8qid=1388595833sr=1-3-catcorrkeywords=frank+znidarsic


Computer Project will not be ready for at least 40 days.  Energy, Cold 
Fusion, and Antigravity sold 20 copes in Dec.


Happy New Year to you all.






Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:my next project another book

2013-12-27 Thread fznidarsic


I learned how to write books in order to bypass journal editors.  Now, with 
this knowledge,  I am writing books in other fields.  I hope to sell a few.  
The introduction to my next book, of course, it is technical.


Do you already know how to build client side HTML webpages?  You have never 
built a dynamicXML web page and you have never written a server side Perl 
script.  If you have a little computer experience andyou would like to quickly 
learn to program in XML and in Perl;  this project is for you!  Upon the 
completion of the project, you willhave built your own Blog.
The project teaches you how to build a HTML table.  This table transmits its 
data to a serverside Perl script.  You will construct thePerl script that 
decodes the form data and saves in a file at the server.  The Perl script then 
automatically constructsan XML data file.  This XML fileencapsulates your data 
into a form that that can be displayed within your webpage.  Finally, a Java 
Script within yourHTML web page decodes the XML file and embeds the data in a 
table.  Many examples and explanations areprovided.  This background 
information isdesigned to instruct and to give you a feel for programming 
techniques that arebeyond the scope of this project.
The project requires that you have access to aweb hosting service that provides 
access to a CGI gateway and that allows forthe building of Perl scripts.  
Manyhosting services do this for a small fee. I use Angelfire.  It costs 
about$5 a month and it has worked well for me.

[Vo]:Up to number 12 in global science book sales today

2013-12-26 Thread fznidarsic


I am doing my share to help cold fusion.




http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/159789011/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_kstore_1_6_last#1




Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:free Kindle book Electrponics Project

2013-12-23 Thread fznidarsic

My book Electronics Project will be free on Kindle from the 2d to the 4th of 
Jan 2014.


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-textfield-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22




enjoy


Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:RE: More on the Kalman paper

2013-12-22 Thread fznidarsic



The same will be true for the many math based quantum mechanical versions of 
reality. That is why LENR is so important. It can be used to select the proper 
mathematical interpretation of reality.



I agree.  I noted a velocity in cold fusion and gravitational experiments.  
1,094,000 meters per second.  I assumed it was the velocity of a longitudinal 
mechanical wave in the nucleus.  When I set this velocity equal to the velocity 
of light in the electronic structure of the atom; the quantum condition 
emerged. Planck's constant emerged from this classical analysis.


To date no one cares but I am sure that someday they will.


Frank Z



-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: More on the Kalman paper




On Dec 22, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote:



Extra dimensions are a way to make the math work in string theory. But no one 
is able or willing to make this math world match up with the real world. Math 
guys do not have very active imaginations.
 


It took some  time of Einstein's general equations to be mapped onto a valid 
view of the universe. For example, black holes are a projection of the math 
onto a physical reality that turned out to be real.



I would say this differently, Axil. Black holes are a logical and necessary 
consequence of gravity interacting with mass-energy. The equations are only 
another way to describe this necessary event.  

 


The same will be true for the many math based quantum mechanical versions of 
reality. That is why LENR is so important. It can be used to select the proper 
mathematical interpretation of reality.



I agree.


Ed Storms

 








On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe 
stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote:
 

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 

 
Yes, if 4 don't work, try 5. If 5 fail, try 50. As they say, with enough 
variables, all data can be fit.  It never occurs to these people that their 
basic model may be wrong. They just keep adding variables and complexity until 
all the points fall on a line.
 

Ed Storms




I always wanted to know what theoretical physicists have to say about that 
argument. I just saw in the
swedish television a nice program that was a filosofical discussion about 
science in general, and that question came out. The feeling of the expert was 
that it was too much things that fell on place that they argue that the theory 
should be pretty much correct and that the theory predicted things that was 
shown correct. But then when I take my statistical and mathematical hat on I 
just see to much opportunity to add variables that are fitted in experiments 
and then the whole thing matches a theory of a certain order, that should by 
some expansion fit to a more conventional albeit perhaps a bit more nonlinear 
model. Then of cause the high dimensional theory would predict the right things 
if what is probed is for example the second order effects of the model.
 


Another pet peeve of mine is the popular argument that because we live it must 
be true argument, which is fine if one also supply alternative arguments. As an 
example take the realization that if the physical constants was just a little 
of, then the universe would not allow us to live and because we live, the 
parameters are as they are assuming a multiverse. Another argument is that the 
model of all things have really fewer parameters and hence that the parameters 
really are dependant. But you never hear that possibility in the TV shows, 
which shows a good piece if overconfidence of what we have today.
 


Cheers!
/Stefan

[Vo]:Maybe another book


I wrote a book on physics Energy Cold Fusion and Antigravity.


I wrote another on electronics.  It was just a test book.
Electrons Project  build a hands free cell phone adapter.


They are selling OK.. I am surprised the Electronic Project book sells better 
than the physics book.  People want to build things.


I made this blog from scratch.  It took time and uses HTML dynamic XML and Perl 
server side scripts.  It was a learning experience.  


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/blog.html


I am thinking of write another short $1.00 book.  It would be in the field of 
computer science.
Learn HTML XML and Perl while building your own blog.


Most people know how to write client side HTML web pages but may be interested 
in writing a PERL server side script. It would be about 20 pages and explain 
the code for those who what to write dynamic XML and Perl server side server 
scripts. Their end product would be there own blog.


The best selling book at amazon now is 500 Knock Knock jokes.  I need something 
like this.


what do you think?


Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Maybe another book

Its me Frank Znidarsic.  I learned a lot from my cold fusion hobby.  The latest 
spin off was how to write Books for Amazon. 


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-textfield-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22


 I also made a blog to help with the marketing of my book.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/zptblog.html


These learned skills are transferable.  Now I can build blogs and write books.  
Why not market the spin off skills?  Sometimes is chasing something like cold 
fusion you learn other things that are of use in entirely other area.  I have.  
Its good to have a hobby.  It may take you another direction.


Frank Z



-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Maybe another book


Who's There?



On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 5:29 PM,  fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

I wrote a book on physics Energy Cold Fusion and Antigravity.


I wrote another on electronics.  It was just a test book.
Electrons Project  build a hands free cell phone adapter.


They are selling OK.. I am surprised the Electronic Project book sells better 
than the physics book.  People want to build things.


I made this blog from scratch.  It took time and uses HTML dynamic XML and Perl 
server side scripts.  It was a learning experience.  


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/blog.html


I am thinking of write another short $1.00 book.  It would be in the field of 
computer science.
Learn HTML XML and Perl while building your own blog.


Most people know how to write client side HTML web pages but may be interested 
in writing a PERL server side script. It would be about 20 pages and explain 
the code for those who what to write dynamic XML and Perl server side server 
scripts. Their end product would be there own blog.


The best selling book at amazon now is 500 Knock Knock jokes.  I need something 
like this.


what do you think?


Frank Z

Fwd: [Vo]:Maybe another book

Another interspersing story.  I was doing some electrolytic cold fusion 
experiments.
The anode dissolved and I got slop at the cathode.  Not what I wanted.  Where 
did my anode go? Was it was a useless sloppy mess.?


A man approached me Howard.  He wanted to extract metal from acid mine drainage.
What was he going to make the anode from Gold, Platinum?


I remember getting zapped while working on a concrete floor.  Let's use 
concrete.
It does not oxidize.  It seems to work for now.  Howard got slop at the cathode 
as expected.
He tested the slop and found something interesting.  


Is it economic?  The verdict is out.  I hope this comes to something for Howard 
and
I was glad to use my experience to help out.


Frank Z

Fwd: [Vo]:Maybe another book

My friend Howard who is in the garbage business wants to extract metals from 
acid mine drainage.  I don't think it is economic.  The DEP may require him to 
completely clean up the waste stream after partially cleaning it up while 
extracting metals.  This is a non starter.


Howard showed me something interesting.  He get two types of plastic in the 
trash.
HDPE milk bottle like plastic and XLP clear soda like bottle plastic.  The 
waste stream is 
worth a lot more if he can automatically separate the two types of plastic.


Now you see where my cold fusion effects have taken me; to the junk yard.
Any ideas?


Frank

Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves


In short, if you can't even get in the ball park of white dwarf matter in
the lab, what chance in hell have you of even approaching muon catalysed
reaction rates?




snip




Yes, No chance at all for any kind of fusion, especially with heavy metals.  
Forget about shrunken atoms, the heavy neutrons of the Larson Widom theory,  
and the like.
They are all working with the strong force.  It need high temps to work.
In order to reactions working at low temperature you have to invoke another 
force the nuclear spin orbit force.  It's the magnetic component of the strong 
nuclear force.  Its called the spin orbit force and its not conserved.  Its a 
long story that takes a book to describe.  That's why I wrote one.




http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-textfield-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22




Frank Z

Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves

What do you need to make a strong electromagnet?  Just line up the electron 
spins.  The electrons are already moving.


What do you need to make a strong long range spin orbit force magnet.  Line a 
the nuclear spins and get them  moving.  This is best done is a proton 
conductor.


How fast to they have to go you say, 1.094,000 meters per second.  


Frank



-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 19, 2013 9:05 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]: White Dwarves


In short, if you can't even get in the ball park of white dwarf matter in
the lab, what chance in hell have you of even approaching muon catalysed
reaction rates?






snip




Yes, No chance at all for any kind of fusion, especially with heavy metals.  
Forget about shrunken atoms, the heavy neutrons of the Larson Widom theory,  
and the like.
They are all working with the strong force.  It need high temps to work.
In order to reactions working at low temperature you have to invoke another 
force the nuclear spin orbit force.  It's the magnetic component of the strong 
nuclear force.  Its called the spin orbit force and its not conserved.  Its a 
long story that takes a book to describe.  That's why I wrote one.




http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-textfield-keywords=%22znidarsic+science+books%22rh=n%3A133140011%2Ck%3A%22znidarsic+science+books%22




Frank Z

[Vo]:book blog


I made a book blog by morphing the Tom Katz blog into a new blog.  It took less 
then 1 hr because the code was already developed.  If I get a lot of crazy and 
profane comments I will remove the blog.  The book is selling OK so let's see 
what comes it.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/zptblog.html




Frank

[Vo]:book blog