Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see *www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt* ** ** *Cheers: Axil* ** On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
Super Atom or ultra dense atomic clusters: It can be expected that any
radiation escaping this super atom will be reshifted to lower frequencies
and energy levels and that any particles approaching this super atom will
be blueshifted to extremely high frequencies and energy levels. Very
disruptive to ANYTHING in nature
On Monday, August 20, 2012, Axil Axil wrote:
The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled
particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic
clustering fits into the LENR+ process.
see
*www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt*
**
**
*Cheers: Axil*
**
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil
janap...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'janap...@gmail.com');
wrote:
According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The
paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb
barrier lowering.
Cheers: Axil
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz
pdx...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pdx...@gmail.com');
wrote:
I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential
peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical
Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/
It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier
drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If
true, that would be ... big.
Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for
variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI
background in the vicinity of the experiment?
Jeff
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher
a...@well.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'a...@well.com');
wrote:
From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'pdx...@gmail.com');
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device
If you open this link:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf
It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR
papers stuck together end to end.
The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the
peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies.
Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4
Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF
stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
Let's assume these Super Atoms or Super Atom Clusters obey the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle as do other particles. On one hand they can reward you with redshifted lower energy radiation usable as heat but on the other hand they consume and destroy all matter within their gravitational reach. They bust up coloumb barriers due to the extremely high frequencies they can generate through blueshifting near their center. They magnify uncertainty within their surroundings much more than typical particles due to their size or quantities. They can also collapse into each other creating Super Duper Atoms... On Monday, August 20, 2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: Super Atom or ultra dense atomic clusters: It can be expected that any radiation escaping this super atom will be reshifted to lower frequencies and energy levels and that any particles approaching this super atom will be blueshifted to extremely high frequencies and energy levels. Very disruptive to ANYTHING in nature On Monday, August 20, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see *www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt* ** ** *Cheers: Axil* ** On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.comwrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt Cheers: Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier.The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as acause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
Quantum gravity blueshifts the incoming particles/radiation to ultrahigh frequencies and ultrahigh energy levels right near its surface. It is this high energy level which busts up the coloumb barrier of atoms pulled close. It is the same effect in reverse which makes any energy leaving this collapsed matter to be of low energy level/frequencies redshifted and less harmful Red Shift Blue ShiftA light source moving *away* from the listener (*v* is positive) would provide an *fL* that is less than *fS*. In the visible light spectrum http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/a/vislightspec.htm, this causes a shift toward the red end of the light spectrum, so it is called a *red shift*. When the light source is moving *toward* the listener (*v* is negative), then *fL* is greater than *fS*. In the visible light spectrum http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/a/vislightspec.htm, this causes a shift toward the high-frequency end of the light spectrum. For some reason, violet got the short end of the stick and such frequency shift is actually called a *blue shift*. Obviously, in the area of theelectromagnetic spectrum http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/a/electrspectrum.htm outside of the visible light spectrum, these shifts might not actually be toward red and blue. If you're in the infrared, for example, you're ironically shifting *away*from red when you experience a red shift. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see *www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt* ** ** *Cheers: Axil* ** On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
Aim for the shield generator, or get a man on the inside to switch it off. harry On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt Cheers: Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
If you can think of the coulomb barrier as a soldier, a very good and strong one, this hero, can defeat any individual soldier of the opposing army. Even if the opposing army attacks our hero one fighter at a time the hero can resist the attack since the attack is uncoordinated. But when the opposing army gets its act together and acts a cohesive unit the hero is overcome by the combined and additive strength of the combined and coordinated action of the army. The bigger that the coordinated army is, the more soundly that the hero is defeated. Since electrons and protons are waves also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_interference Cheers:Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see *www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt* ** ** *Cheers: Axil* ** On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
I agree. I also believe this army is wearing blue uniforms. These are all blue-shifted high energy particle/waves working together as a concentrated and cohesive force at the location of the battle (horizon). Nothing can stop them, neither matter or energy as they consume both. You might be able to contain this army in some type of magnetic field or inertial confinement, but they are elusive by nature. They magnify the Uncertainty Principle many times over. Best though to keep them isolated as best you can. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If you can think of the coulomb barrier as a soldier, a very good and strong one, this hero, can defeat any individual soldier of the opposing army. Even if the opposing army attacks our hero one fighter at a time the hero can resist the attack since the attack is uncoordinated. But when the opposing army gets its act together and acts a cohesive unit the hero is overcome by the combined and additive strength of the combined and coordinated action of the army. The bigger that the coordinated army is, the more soundly that the hero is defeated. Since electrons and protons are waves also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_interference Cheers:Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see *www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt* ** ** *Cheers: Axil* ** On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.comwrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
Yeah, the group can defeat the guy soundly! I also believe that there is some form of coordinated effort that overcomes the coulomb barrier. I am merely searching for the lost energy that is required and attempting to see from where it originates. My suspicion is that the surrounding atoms become a bit cooler as the energy is borrowed from them. Once the fusion occurs, all of the borrowed energy would of course be paid back. The net effect is the same, but then there would be no free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper If you can think of the coulomb barrier as a soldier, a very good and strong one, this hero, can defeat any individual soldier of the opposing army. Even if the opposing army attacks our hero one fighter at a time the hero can resist the attack since the attack is uncoordinated. But when the opposing army gets its act together and acts a cohesive unit the hero is overcome by the combined and additive strength of the combined and coordinated action of the army. The bigger that the coordinated army is, the more soundly that the hero is defeated. Since electrons and protons are waves also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_interference Cheers:Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt Cheers: Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier.The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as acause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
David, Yes, it is borrowing the energy from the red-shifted low energy radiation leaving the surface and focusing it with the blueshifted high energy radiation at the point of battle at the surface. Total energy stays the same, perfect conservation. Velocity of all particles stay the same, just cohesive shifts in frequency and lambda all maximizing energy at a point near the surface guided in by quantum gravity. No atom stands a chance. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Yeah, the group can defeat the guy soundly! I also believe that there is some form of coordinated effort that overcomes the coulomb barrier. I am merely searching for the lost energy that is required and attempting to see from where it originates. My suspicion is that the surrounding atoms become a bit cooler as the energy is borrowed from them. Once the fusion occurs, all of the borrowed energy would of course be paid back. The net effect is the same, but then there would be no free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper If you can think of the coulomb barrier as a soldier, a very good and strong one, this hero, can defeat any individual soldier of the opposing army. Even if the opposing army attacks our hero one fighter at a time the hero can resist the attack since the attack is uncoordinated. But when the opposing army gets its act together and acts a cohesive unit the hero is overcome by the combined and additive strength of the combined and coordinated action of the army. The bigger that the coordinated army is, the more soundly that the hero is defeated. Since electrons and protons are waves also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_interference Cheers:Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see *www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt* ** ** *Cheers: Axil* ** On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.comwrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
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Well, now that I think about it, I am not really sure they need to borrow any energy, the Blue-shifting of the incoming particle waves diverging upon the same point in space might be enough to do it by themselves. Need to break out the calculator. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: David, Yes, it is borrowing the energy from the red-shifted low energy radiation leaving the surface and focusing it with the blueshifted high energy radiation at the point of battle at the surface. Total energy stays the same, perfect conservation. Velocity of all particles stay the same, just cohesive shifts in frequency and lambda all maximizing energy at a point near the surface guided in by quantum gravity. No atom stands a chance. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Yeah, the group can defeat the guy soundly! I also believe that there is some form of coordinated effort that overcomes the coulomb barrier. I am merely searching for the lost energy that is required and attempting to see from where it originates. My suspicion is that the surrounding atoms become a bit cooler as the energy is borrowed from them. Once the fusion occurs, all of the borrowed energy would of course be paid back. The net effect is the same, but then there would be no free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper If you can think of the coulomb barrier as a soldier, a very good and strong one, this hero, can defeat any individual soldier of the opposing army. Even if the opposing army attacks our hero one fighter at a time the hero can resist the attack since the attack is uncoordinated. But when the opposing army gets its act together and acts a cohesive unit the hero is overcome by the combined and additive strength of the combined and coordinated action of the army. The bigger that the coordinated army is, the more soundly that the hero is defeated. Since electrons and protons are waves also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_interference Cheers:Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see *www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt* ** ** *Cheers: Axil* ** On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier. The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as a cause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.comwrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
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Those blue shifted particles would need to shift a fair distance to reach the energy of the barrier. The shift would need to be several MeV to reach the coulomb barrier level. I think that we should make every attempt to preserve the COE when we consider LENR reactions. If a barrier is set, then let's see if it can be overcome by some cooperative particles instead of assuming that the barrier itself is eliminated. How much energy do we assume is released by the fusion reaction that follows? Do we automatically get less energy to compensate for the low initiation level? This problem is nonexistent if we find that the same barrier energy is required in all cases, but can be defeated by borrowing the needed energy from the system. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper Well, now that I think about it, I am not really sure they need to borrow any energy, the Blue-shifting of the incoming particle waves diverging upon the same point in space might be enough to do it by themselves. Need to break out the calculator. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: David, Yes, it is borrowing the energy from the red-shifted low energy radiation leaving the surface and focusing it with the blueshifted high energy radiation at the point of battle at the surface. Total energy stays the same, perfect conservation. Velocity of all particles stay the same, just cohesive shifts in frequency and lambda all maximizing energy at a point near the surface guided in by quantum gravity. No atom stands a chance. On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Yeah, the group can defeat the guy soundly! I also believe that there is some form of coordinated effort that overcomes the coulomb barrier. I am merely searching for the lost energy that is required and attempting to see from where it originates. My suspicion is that the surrounding atoms become a bit cooler as the energy is borrowed from them. Once the fusion occurs, all of the borrowed energy would of course be paid back. The net effect is the same, but then there would be no free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper If you can think of the coulomb barrier as a soldier, a very good and strong one, this hero, can defeat any individual soldier of the opposing army. Even if the opposing army attacks our hero one fighter at a time the hero can resist the attack since the attack is uncoordinated. But when the opposing army gets its act together and acts a cohesive unit the hero is overcome by the combined and additive strength of the combined and coordinated action of the army. The bigger that the coordinated army is, the more soundly that the hero is defeated. Since electrons and protons are waves also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_interference Cheers:Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Axil, perhaps there is something going on that results in the lowering of the barrier. I have to ask where the additional energy comes from to satisfy the actual energy needed? If it is taken from other particles that might make sense, otherwise it sounds like a free lunch. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper The super-atom produced as a large collection of coherent and entangled particles can completely lowers the Coulomb barrier. This is how atomic clustering fits into the LENR+ process. see www.iscmns.org/work10/VysotskiiVapplicatio.ppt Cheers: Axil On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: According to this paper, clusters of atoms drop the coulomb barrier.The paper you reference in thiis post sites this as acause of coulomb barrier lowering. Cheers: Axil http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Features-and-Giant-Acceleration.pdf On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be
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From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
Re: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device -- Third paper
I read it too. The work has also been published in an influential peer-reviewed journal, JETP (Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics), a leading Russian journal also published in English: http://www.springerlink.com/content/rup025083t105q83/ It is hard to know what to make of this. It says the Coulomb barrier drops away to low levels under conditions we can in principle control. If true, that would be ... big. Wouldn't it be amusing if the uncontrolled variable that accounts for variation of results over the last 23 years turned out to be the RFI background in the vicinity of the experiment? Jeff On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?)
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In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:08:43 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] From: Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:08:15 PM Subject: [Vo]:Analysis of W-L theory as applicable to Rossi device If you open this link: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Vysotskii-Stimulated-LENR-Paper.pdf It turns out that the PDF contains three separate and unrelated LENR papers stuck together end to end. The third paper is worth reading ... Harmonic oscillator explains the peaks in Hagelstein/Letts/Craven laser beat frequencies. Ni+p = Cu+v reaction rate goes from 10^-1000 to 10^-4 Says it explains Rossi-Focardi ... except that they don't use a RF stimulator (any more?) Note that the paper uses THz frequencies, which are not readily obtained using an oscillator, but are par for the course when it comes to heat (as Jones is fond of pointing out). In short, temperature control may be important. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
