Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
no theory is proven, this hard to predict. Shawyer explains that CoE is respected, as CoM. if the thrust is used to accelerate the energy in the cavity is absorbed by doopler effect... I doubt on shawyer theory but this idea to conserve CoE seems a good basic, as CoE is based on some essential symmetry of physics over time. same for CoM like for LENR, if confirmed, I suspect it will be over simplification of CoM/CoE that are the error, not the symmetries. 2014-09-20 0:39 GMT+02:00 Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net: If this phenomenon is really true, it suggests a number of questions, e.g. : A reactionless thrust means that the power output could be very large since power = thrust * speed, and if the speed is high so is the power, so COP could be very big. Does the RF power needed increase as the speed increases? Speed with respect to what -- the ether? It would be trivial to make a self sustaining energy source if one of these was spinning or moving very fastly driving a generator for its own RF source. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device FYI: I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but here’s some recent results from NASA… http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustProductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf Excerpt from Abstract: “During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 935 megahertz and 28 watts. During the subsequent (tapered cavity) portion of the campaign, approximately 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 1933 megahertz and 17 watts. Testing was performed on a lowthrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level. Test campaign results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma.” -mark iverson -- http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
In reply to Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:39:56 -0700: Hi, [snip] If this phenomenon is really true, it suggests a number of questions, e.g. : A reactionless thrust means that the power output could be very large since power = thrust * speed, and if the speed is high so is the power, so COP could be very big. I think you have this backwards. What it means is that in order to attain high speed, you need to *supply* high power. ...however as LENR/Blacklight come online, that may not be a problem. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
FYI: I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but here's some recent results from NASA. http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustPro ductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf Excerpt from Abstract: During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 935 megahertz and 28 watts. During the subsequent (tapered cavity) portion of the campaign, approximately 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 1933 megahertz and 17 watts. Testing was performed on a lowthrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level. Test campaign results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma. -mark iverson
Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
It may be possible to optimize the Ni/H reactor to transform most of its energy output to RF energy by adding NMR active elements into its structure. This RF perpulstion effect could make the Ni/H reactor a natural space drive engine for deep space exploration where the energy from the sun produced by solar cells is weak. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:55 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: FYI: I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but here’s some recent results from NASA… http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustProductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf Excerpt from Abstract: “During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 935 megahertz and 28 watts. During the subsequent (tapered cavity) portion of the campaign, approximately 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 1933 megahertz and 17 watts. Testing was performed on a lowthrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level. Test campaign results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma.” -mark iverson
Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
there is even more recent information on that test http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/09/nasa-cannae-drive-and-emdrive.html and previous http://nextbigfuture.com/search/label/emdrive read also wired answer to some critics http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-08/07/10-qs-about-nasa-impossible-drive Shawyer give more on his version http://emdrive.com/ http://www.emdrive.com/yang-juan-paper-2012.pdf http://emdrive.com/faq.html forget the theories, there are 4 (relativity with Shwayer, maxwell QM for chinese, Fette which is disproven experimentally, and nasa idea of quantum plasma)... the main reason to take those test seriously is that all armchair artifacts have been taken seriously and mitigated. moreover the effect happens only at resonance, which eliminate nearly all artifact claims. in the paper of nasa there is the most important comment lost at the end, that it did not work when removing some dielectric (science publication by footnotes like for HTSC http://www.mosaicsciencemagazine.org/pdf/m18_03_87_04.pdf ) the annoying facts is that, even when accounting for power difference, the efficiency of fetta, null fetta, and shwyer reactors are very different... maybe teh Q factor... even shawayer reactor when tested by yang Juan did not exhibit monotonic power to thrust relation... more work to do to confirm it. I have a scoop.it used as a link bin, if you want to dig http://www.scoop.it/t/emdrive a real blackswan technology, unlike LENR which is a whiteswan covered with soot. 2014-09-19 17:55 GMT+02:00 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net: FYI: I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but here’s some recent results from NASA… http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustProductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf Excerpt from Abstract: “During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 935 megahertz and 28 watts. During the subsequent (tapered cavity) portion of the campaign, approximately 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 1933 megahertz and 17 watts. Testing was performed on a lowthrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level. Test campaign results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma.” -mark iverson
RE: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
If this phenomenon is really true, it suggests a number of questions, e.g. : A reactionless thrust means that the power output could be very large since power = thrust * speed, and if the speed is high so is the power, so COP could be very big. Does the RF power needed increase as the speed increases? Speed with respect to what -- the ether? It would be trivial to make a self sustaining energy source if one of these was spinning or moving very fastly driving a generator for its own RF source. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device FYI: I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but here's some recent results from NASA. http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustPro ductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf Excerpt from Abstract: During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 935 megahertz and 28 watts. During the subsequent (tapered cavity) portion of the campaign, approximately 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 1933 megahertz and 17 watts. Testing was performed on a lowthrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level. Test campaign results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma. -mark iverson --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
