[Vo]:BLP Coverage on the E-Cat site
Apparently on the E-Cat site, which I tried to sign up for but was unsuccessful, someone posted this: Randell Mills responded to Jones Beene. # Reading on some other sites I read that all the attendees at today's demonstration # at BLP were required to sign non-disclosure agreements. Even including # not disclosing that they attended in the first place. Is that true? Randell Mills: No that is a lie. We were absolutely open with unrestricted full disclosure of all materials and methods using commercial instrumentation. In fact, we intend to make the entire videotaped demonstration open to the public. END of E-Cat posting. So there you have it, vorticians - apparently from Mills himself. However, I'm not convinced that this post came from Randell Mills. There are a number of shills for Mills roaming the various News groups, including Vortex. Anyone can sign up on these forums, using almost any name. If this posting did come from Mills, and he wishes to publicly call me a liar - then I challenge him to post the full text of the NDA which was required. Then I will apologize. But the chances of Mills posting this are slim to none. The proof is in the pudding folks. There were 35 attendees and not a single one has posted a single detail publicly. That sounds a lot like full control over the demonstration - via a legal document. Is Mills trying to sneak out the back door by calling the document something besides and NDA? The truth will out you Randy, so come clean - before your are embarrassed even more than you have been already. attachment: winmail.dat
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Jones Beene, You may well be right. I can think of some other possibilities. I am sure that Dr. Mills would prefer the official version to come out first and so, for example, could have placed an embargo on others until does. You seem to have a down on BLP. My take is kinder. From other remarks, it is clear this will not be a demo of the device described in the interview with Sterling Allan, but I suppose a demo of one or more pulses that in the finished device would take pace almost continuously. Others have speculated that getting a small MHD device to work is harder than he claims. Like everyone else I have been disappointed by the lack of a commercial device from BLP over the years. But consider that Dr. Mills has gone about it in a way that many critics say is how it should be done. He started with the theory. Indeed has published three physics books that cover a completely new look at the atom and how it works. A theory that calculated many fundamental constants is a simpler way. I get the feeling his theories have been dismissed by academia more because they overturn the old theories than because there is something wrong with them. He then conducted a series of experiments in a careful way and had the results replicated by others. I don't buy the argument that Rowan University doesn't count, and they were not alone. He published a number of papers describing his progress but otherwise kept quiet, not going the public demo route of Rossi that many here criticize. I find it unlikely that he could get so much money without verifiable demos to the backers, and this current demo is probably another one of those. I can imagine that he has no love of the blogs that are universally damning of him, so he has no great incentive to satisfy the bloggosphere. Pearls before swine. I find it likely that he has a new source of energy but still have to be convinced it works the way he says it does. But he knows much more about it than I do. He has fully described the process, all the materials and what has to be done to get the power he claims. It will be most interesting to see the video of the demo when it actually surfaces. Adrian Ashfield
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Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: In fact, we intend to make the entire videotaped demonstration open to the public. Well, if he does that, we can't complain. And if doesn't do it, he is a weird person for saying he will. - Jed
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The full text of the waiver has been released as per your and Lynn Kurtz's challenge. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/messages/1729 Basically, limits BLP liability and disallows personal recording (photography, audio, and video.) Participants were otherwise unrestricted. - Brad On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Apparently on the E-Cat site, which I tried to sign up for but was unsuccessful, someone posted this: Randell Mills responded to Jones Beene. # Reading on some other sites I read that all the attendees at today's demonstration # at BLP were required to sign non-disclosure agreements. Even including # not disclosing that they attended in the first place. Is that true? Randell Mills: No that is a lie. We were absolutely open with unrestricted full disclosure of all materials and methods using commercial instrumentation. In fact, we intend to make the entire videotaped demonstration open to the public. END of E-Cat posting. So there you have it, vorticians - apparently from Mills himself. However, I'm not convinced that this post came from Randell Mills. There are a number of shills for Mills roaming the various News groups, including Vortex. Anyone can sign up on these forums, using almost any name. If this posting did come from Mills, and he wishes to publicly call me a liar - then I challenge him to post the full text of the NDA which was required. Then I will apologize. But the chances of Mills posting this are slim to none. The proof is in the pudding folks. There were 35 attendees and not a single one has posted a single detail publicly. That sounds a lot like full control over the demonstration - via a legal document. Is Mills trying to sneak out the back door by calling the document something besides and NDA? The truth will out you Randy, so come clean - before your are embarrassed even more than you have been already.
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-Original Message- From: a.ashfield You seem to have a down on BLP. My take is kinder. Be kind but not blind. You have not suffered through 24 years of continual disappointment, hyperbole, arrogance and double talk. When one insists on controlling information flow in order to raise ever more investment - that is NOT science, it is hucksterism. Will the video change that assessment? Actually, I hope so and want to see BLP succeed but those who choose not to remember the past - are doomed to repeat it. Please remember that for many years - myself, Robin and Mike were persistent voices of support for Mills on vortex. We were following this niche before there was a BLP. It was called HydroCatalysis, Inc. back then. And it looked fabulous. Mills' papers were a cut above anything in LENR, his experiments were professional and he was being published in Fusion Technology, which was more highly respected than today. The Thermacore work was especially compelling because they had their own patent, and the work for the Air Force seemed to validate everything. Mills had money and LENR was operating on a shoestring. Mills was promising real products, not prototypes. Things changed for me after two many failed promises and too many missed opportunities, going back over a decade. Not to mention the sudden appearance of Rossi, who even with all his baggage was showing something exciting and even Millsean. The Capstone microturbine fiasco was particularly catastrophic for Mills reputation - because of the publicity and interviews, where Randy was promising a prime energy producing product in six months, and that was widely circulated. A lot of people thought Mills was the new Dirac at the time, if not the techno-messiah. It is not so much that Mills failed to deliver on the Capstone project - but that it was the tip of a giant iceberg with many more false promises to come. After a significant number of repeat failures - the suspicion that RM could be little more than a well-educated PT Barnum had to be addressed. Now we have the stark contrast with Rossi, who had less credibility at first, even more scorn from the mainstream, a Barnum personality and trouble with the law. But when push comes to shove Rossi can deliver - when Mills can do little more than go silent on past failures. The demo yesterday had all the ear markings of an old time Tent Revival, hastily put together for nervous investors by a charismatic but failing Prophet - who has to reassure his flock that the megabucks already tithed was put to good work. Pass the collection plate, brother Praise the Lord. In fact, there is little indication that there is anything more than new labels to show for all of that investment. Did I mention that those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it? Is Rossi really in production? That is the question we should be asking ourselves today on Vortex - not when is Mills going to have something beyond vapor ware. Jones
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: The full text of the waiver has been released as per your and Lynn Kurtz's challenge. Hearing damage?!? Blacklight+Power+Inc+Demonstration+Release+Form.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
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That is a waiver, OK - but was it the only document required? Coming back to Earth - it is not out of the question that all of this obsessive talk about the reality of an NDA, or a waiver, or both... which - let's face it - is a triviality in the big picture, amounts to an impromptu diversion, perhaps to cover up the fact that the actual demo was a bust. -Original Message- From: Brad Lowe The full text of the waiver has been released as per your and Lynn Kurtz's challenge.
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Jones Beene http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Jones+Beene%22 Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:17:44 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140129 That is a waiver, OK - but was it the only document required? Coming back to Earth - it is not out of the question that all of this obsessive talk about the reality of an NDA, or a waiver, or both... which - let's face it - is a triviality in the big picture, amounts to an impromptu diversion, perhaps to cover up the fact that the actual demo was a bust. What has BLP done to stir you up like this? You have no more proof that the demo was a bust than you had for your claim for a NDA, where it looks like you were wrong. The only news we have had so far, the attendee didn't see anything amiss. That he could write anything rather proves the point.
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Jones Beene wrote: Be kind but not blind. You have not suffered through 24 years of continual disappointment, hyperbole, arrogance and double talk. When one insists on controlling information flow in order to raise ever more investment - that is NOT science, it is hucksterism. Will the video change that assessment? I understand where you are coming from. I have been following it for 10 years myself. As many have found out it is not easy to scale up which is why we have nothing for 24 years - from anyone. As Jed wrote, Mills is a brilliant theoretician but a lousy experimenter (or words to that effect.) Rossi is either a genius or lucky, or maybe both. The bottom line is that I'm still not prepared to write off Mills although it is clear you have. The demo will be interesting.
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Jones Beene wrote: Is Rossi really in production? That is the question we should be asking ourselves today on Vortex - not when is Mills going to have something beyond vapor ware. I don't know. If I were Industrial Heat LLC I would want to wait until after the six months trial before spending too much money. That they have bees so secretive probably means they are not close to a marketable device. That they are planning to start with industrial use probably means a slow, quiet beginning. They have to get UL certification for anything domestic.
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:04 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote: They have to get UL certification for anything domestic. The domestic market is the last I would service. The order of easy, low risk money is: 1) DoD 2) Commercial 4) Domestic
