Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
On 08/16/2012 01:19 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague... -Mark Trouble with Maxwell's Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell's electromagnetic theory, believed by the majority of scientists a fundamental theory of physics, is in fact built on an unsupported assumption and on a faulty method of theoretical investigation. The result is that the whole theory cannot be considered reliable, nor its conclusions accurate descriptions of reality. In this work it is called into question whether radio waves (and light) travelling in vacuum, are indeed composed of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields. The idea of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields is, without a doubt, one of the cleverest stupid things found in modern science. We don't want to abandon it so soon... it has the big advantage that it solves the problem of the light carrying medium. It reminds me of the feats of the Münchhausen's baron, who raises himself up by pulling from the strings of his shoes.
Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
I think the concept of one field generating the other in space as the wave advances is defective. In my way of thinking it is not possible to stop a wave in motion and perform a test of this nature. You would need to travel faster than light to get to an observation point that allows this. I prefer to measure the field parameters at a point removed from the moving charge that initiates the wave. Then I am able to measure the effect of the electric field and magnetic field as it passes by at the speed of light. There is no reason to assume one vector generates the other. I came to the realization years ago that there is actually only one parameter defining both fields. Charge and its movement is the key. Current is proportional to the first derivative of the spatial position of charge with respect to time(charge velocity). Radiation is related to the charge acceleration. The magnetic field is determined by the currents in space and time. Everything electromagnetic originates with charge. Dave -Original Message- From: Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? On 08/16/2012 01:19 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague… -Mark Trouble with Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell’s electromagnetic theory, believed by the majority of scientists a fundamental theory of physics, is in fact built on an unsupported assumption and on a faulty method of theoretical investigation. The result is that the whole theory cannot be considered reliable, nor its conclusions accurate descriptions of reality. In this work it is called into question whether radio waves (and light) travelling in vacuum, are indeed composed of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields. The idea of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields is,without a doubt, one of the cleverest stupid things found in modernscience. We don't want to abandon it so soon... it has the bigadvantage that it solves the problem of the light carrying medium. It reminds me of the feats of the Münchhausen's baron, who raises himself up by pulling from the strings of his shoes.
[Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague. -Mark Trouble with Maxwell's Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell's electromagnetic theory, believed by the majority of scientists a fundamental theory of physics, is in fact built on an unsupported assumption and on a faulty method of theoretical investigation. The result is that the whole theory cannot be considered reliable, nor its conclusions accurate descriptions of reality. In this work it is called into question whether radio waves (and light) travelling in vacuum, are indeed composed of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields.
Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
Come on Mark, now you want to really mess up our minds! Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm Subject: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague… -Mark Trouble with Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell’s electromagnetic theory, believed by the majority of scientists a fundamental theory of physics, is in fact built on an unsupported assumption and on a faulty method of theoretical investigation. The result is that the whole theory cannot be considered reliable, nor its conclusions accurate descriptions of reality. In this work it is called into question whether radio waves (and light) travelling in vacuum, are indeed composed of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields.
RE: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
As Morpheus said… Free…. Your…. Mind! From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? Come on Mark, now you want to really mess up our minds! Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm Subject: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague… -Mark Trouble with Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell’s electromagnetic theory, believed by the majority of scientists a fundamental theory of physics, is in fact built on an unsupported assumption and on a faulty method of theoretical investigation. The result is that the whole theory cannot be considered reliable, nor its conclusions accurate descriptions of reality. In this work it is called into question whether radio waves (and light) travelling in vacuum, are indeed composed of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields.
Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
It is totally free and fried! I read the document and see many holes in the argument. Once when I was more naive I thought about the magnetic field surrounding a wire broken by a capacitor coupling device. As I visualized the magnetic field due to the current, I began to think that there must be a gap or discontinuity since no real current is flowing within the capacitor. Between the plates there is only an electric field that is changing as charge is being added or subtracted from the plates of the capacitor. Then it occurred to me that this was in fact the famous displacement current that Maxwell was suggesting. At that point I realized that the external magnetic field could be smooth and continuous. The author of the document states in no uncertain terms that such a time changing electric field can not generate a magnetic field and he is obviously wrong. It was an interesting read but I suspect it was related to an April fools joke or something similar. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? As Morpheus said… Free…. Your…. Mind! From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? Come on Mark, now you want to really mess up our minds! Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm Subject: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague… -Mark Trouble with Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell’s electromagnetic theory, believed by the majority of scientists a fundamental theory of physics, is in fact built on an unsupported assumption and on a faulty method of theoretical investigation. The result is that the whole theory cannot be considered reliable, nor its conclusions accurate descriptions of reality. In this work it is called into question whether radio waves (and light) travelling in vacuum, are indeed composed of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields.
RE: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
I’m just the reporter! We report… you decide. OK, I confess… there might be some interesting, and sometimes heated, discussions in between the report/decide thingy… Vorts are a rambunctious lot, and after having a few at the Dime Box Saloon, brawls are not uncommon... but mostly friendly. If you’re not afraid to ask, “What if”… if that doesn’t cause cog-diss, then pull up a stool and have a go at it! You’re welcome here. But when you step up onto the Dime Box, you’d better make sure your guns at loaded, cuz Vorts are bound to take a few shots atcha! ChemE is packin’ a 191… so better have some heavy loads when taking shots at him. All kidding aside… having dual degrees with one in science (Biology) and having spent 5 years at a scientific research institute, the few scientists I admire didn’t mind asking, “What if…”! After all, isn’t science all about learning and understanding what makes things tick… the unknown is what a *true* scientist SHOULD be interested in; SHOULD get excited about. And just because a scientist asks “What If”; just because he begins to follow a line of thought, however crazy it sounds, or whether it ‘violates’ theory, doesn’t mean he has lost all sense of skeptical reason… which is what he’s accused of more often than not. It happens in the Collective as well, recently in fact. One at a time I guess… -mark Iverson PS: don’t forget to ante up… I’ll let you guess how much that is! ;-) From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? It is totally free and fried! I read the document and see many holes in the argument. Once when I was more naive I thought about the magnetic field surrounding a wire broken by a capacitor coupling device. As I visualized the magnetic field due to the current, I began to think that there must be a gap or discontinuity since no real current is flowing within the capacitor. Between the plates there is only an electric field that is changing as charge is being added or subtracted from the plates of the capacitor. Then it occurred to me that this was in fact the famous displacement current that Maxwell was suggesting. At that point I realized that the external magnetic field could be smooth and continuous. The author of the document states in no uncertain terms that such a time changing electric field can not generate a magnetic field and he is obviously wrong. It was an interesting read but I suspect it was related to an April fools joke or something similar. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? As Morpheus said… Free…. Your…. Mind! From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com? ] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? Come on Mark, now you want to really mess up our minds! Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm Subject: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? FYI: this forwarded to me by a colleague… -Mark Trouble with Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Theory: Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? http://vixra.org/pdf/1206.0083v5.pdf Abstract The purpose of this article is to point out that Maxwell’s electromagnetic theory, believed by the majority of scientists a fundamental theory of physics, is in fact built on an unsupported assumption and on a faulty method of theoretical investigation. The result is that the whole theory cannot be considered reliable, nor its conclusions accurate descriptions of reality. In this work it is called into question whether radio waves (and light) travelling in vacuum, are indeed composed of mutually inducing electric and magnetic fields.
Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum?
OK Clark Kent. I am unafraid of controversy to a great extent. Personal attacks are off limits as far as I am concerned because they seldom settle issues and tend to shut down conversation. Feel free to question any assertions that I make and I will return the pleasure! One thing this guy is not worried about is strange unknowns. I spent a large portion of my career solving complex electronic design problems and realize that a great deal is to be discovered that way. The more weird the problem, the more it interests me. On many occasions the engineers working for me would have issues arise that would tie them in knots for days. The circuits would behave in a few unusual ways, but the guys would just put these effects aside and figure they were not related to the issue at hand. When they would finally give up, I would be asked to help and generally within a couple of hours the problem would be resolved. I always gave them time to learn before jumping in to further their knowledge. I am a bit slower these days, but still have plenty of fuel remaining to attack interesting phenomena. So, mister reporter, bring on the strange systems and I will gladly give them my thoughts. I might be wrong most of the time, but on occasion, I hit a home run. I must say that any scientist that wants to win a prize or change the world had better not run when things act strange. That might be the gift they had hoped for. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:34 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? I’m just the reporter! We report… you decide. OK, I confess… there might be some interesting, and sometimes heated, discussions in between the report/decide thingy… Vorts are a rambunctious lot, and after having a few at the Dime Box Saloon, brawls are not uncommon... but mostly friendly. If you’re not afraid to ask, “What if”… if that doesn’t cause cog-diss, then pull up a stool and have a go at it! You’re welcome here. But when you step up onto the Dime Box, you’d better make sure your guns at loaded, cuz Vorts are bound to take a few shots atcha! ChemE is packin’ a 191… so better have some heavy loads when taking shots at him. All kidding aside… having dual degrees with one in science (Biology) and having spent 5 years at a scientific research institute, the few scientists I admire didn’t mind asking, “What if…”! After all, isn’t science all about learning and understanding what makes things tick… the unknown is what a *true* scientist SHOULD be interested in; SHOULD get excited about. And just because a scientist asks “What If”; just because he begins to follow a line of thought, however crazy it sounds, or whether it ‘violates’ theory, doesn’t mean he has lost all sense of skeptical reason… which is what he’s accused of more often than not. It happens in the Collective as well, recently in fact. One at a time I guess… -mark Iverson PS: don’t forget to ante up… I’ll let you guess how much that is! ;-) From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? It is totally free and fried! I read the document and see many holes in the argument. Once when I was more naive I thought about the magnetic field surrounding a wire broken by a capacitor coupling device. As I visualized the magnetic field due to the current, I began to think that there must be a gap or discontinuity since no real current is flowing within the capacitor. Between the plates there is only an electric field that is changing as charge is being added or subtracted from the plates of the capacitor. Then it occurred to me that this was in fact the famous displacement current that Maxwell was suggesting. At that point I realized that the external magnetic field could be smooth and continuous. The author of the document states in no uncertain terms that such a time changing electric field can not generate a magnetic field and he is obviously wrong. It was an interesting read but I suspect it was related to an April fools joke or something similar. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? As Morpheus said… Free…. Your…. Mind! From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can Fields Induce Other Fields in Vacuum? Come on Mark, now you want to really mess up our minds! Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:19 pm Subject
