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PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL PRESS RELEASE -- Wednesday 30th November, 2011 Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012. Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs. Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012: 1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks. 2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for RD on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room. 3. RD-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies Global product development and RD efforts. Praxen-Defkalion Green Technologies Global S.A. -- Note to forum users You can download the Hyperion Spec Sheet .pdf file from our site (Product section- http://www.defkalion-energy.com/products) within the day. You are kindly asked to comment on it, if you wish, only in this sub-forum Discussion on Hyperion Specs at viewforum.php?f=17
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Looking at the specs, they really want happy customers. There's even a Pleasure and Temperature Sensor on Page 4. Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL PRESS RELEASE -- Wednesday 30th November, 2011 Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012. Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs. Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012: 1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks. 2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for RD on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room. 3. RD-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies Global product development and RD efforts. Praxen-Defkalion Green Technologies Global S.A. -- Note to forum users You can download the Hyperion Spec Sheet .pdf file from our site (Product section- http://www.defkalion-energy.com/products) within the day. You are kindly asked to comment on it, if you wish, only in this sub-forum Discussion on Hyperion Specs at viewforum.php?f=17
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Looking at the specs, they really want happy customers. There's even a Pleasure and Temperature Sensor on Page 4. Jed rewrote their first press release for them. I guess his heroic efforts are needed again! T
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There is no information on availability! Or tests! 2011/11/30 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com Looking at the specs, they really want happy customers. There's even a Pleasure and Temperature Sensor on Page 4. Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL PRESS RELEASE -- Wednesday 30th November, 2011 Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012. Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs. Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012: 1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks. 2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for RD on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room. 3. RD-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies Global product development and RD efforts. Praxen-Defkalion Green Technologies Global S.A. -- Note to forum users You can download the Hyperion Spec Sheet .pdf file from our site (Product section- http://www.defkalion-energy.com/products) within the day. You are kindly asked to comment on it, if you wish, only in this sub-forum Discussion on Hyperion Specs at viewforum.php?f=17 -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water? What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Orionworks sez: Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water? What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet. Let me clarify. It sez it's for Domestic or Building, Agricultural and Industrial uses. It looks to me like it's a small portable furnace. Again, I wonder how much it costs to operate when compared to traditional heating devices. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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minimum COP is 25 so far I remember. Details are here: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf This is now on their website under products. Peter - Original Nachricht Von: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 30.11.2011 15:30 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Prepares Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water? What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 08:30 -0600, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water? What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet. For the single reactor kernel, from page 18 of the spec sheet: Thermal Power Range: 5 - 10 kw Maximum Electrical Energy Consumption: 200w Craig
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So, they can keep it working for months without energy input even with a highly inefficient generator... 2011/11/30 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 08:30 -0600, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water? What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet. For the single reactor kernel, from page 18 of the spec sheet: Thermal Power Range: 5 - 10 kw Maximum Electrical Energy Consumption: 200w Craig -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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From Peter: minimum COP is 25 so far I remember. Details are here: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf 25? On page 18 it sez: COP Better than 1:25 / 1:32 Big discrepancy here. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water? What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet. Mama bear COP = 25 @ 11 kW; papa bear COP = 32 @ 45 kW T.
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Is the unit basically a small furnace, perhaps to heat a few rooms or water? What's the COP on this configuration? I haven't been able to determine that yet. Mama bear COP = 25 @ 11 kW; papa bear COP = 32 @ 45 kW Papa bear is a multiple kernel machine. T
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Two terminally blurry images and a bunch of computer assisted drawings? It's hardly what Defkalion was claiming for months they had -- many devices under extensive testing at high power levels and long runs. What ever happened to the much advertised program to have the Greek authorities validate the effectiveness and safety of Defkalion's machines? Who can anyone talk to to confirm such tests are taking place? I am still thinking vaporware here is very likely. Third party tests are mentioned but no names or schedules are given. Maybe it will be Rossi's anonymous customer? Why is everyone concerned with these two cold fusion projects so shy?
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Two terminally blurry images and a bunch of computer assisted drawings? It's hardly what Defkalion was claiming for months they had -- many devices under extensive testing at high power levels and long runs. What ever happened to the much advertised program to have the Greek authorities validate the effectiveness and safety of Defkalion's machines? Who can anyone talk to to confirm such tests are taking place? I am still thinking vaporware here is very likely. Third party tests are mentioned but no names or schedules are given. Maybe it will be Rossi's anonymous customer? Why is everyone concerned with these two cold fusion projects so shy? Yeah, it reminds me of all the UFO pictures. T
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In this case you have to ask them, not us, Vortexians because we have just received this document. If the performances presented are real/true, it is excellent. Anyway, compare DGT's engineering with Rossi's. Peter On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Two terminally blurry images and a bunch of computer assisted drawings? It's hardly what Defkalion was claiming for months they had -- many devices under extensive testing at high power levels and long runs. What ever happened to the much advertised program to have the Greek authorities validate the effectiveness and safety of Defkalion's machines? Who can anyone talk to to confirm such tests are taking place? I am still thinking vaporware here is very likely. Third party tests are mentioned but no names or schedules are given. Maybe it will be Rossi's anonymous customer? Why is everyone concerned with these two cold fusion projects so shy? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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DK announces its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. They make no mention of Rossi but instead point simply to the generic field of LENR Chemistry as their inspiration. Since Rossi has already admitted that DK was never provided With his recipe the DK recipe would have to be an almost exact copy of Rossi's to prove any Theft of IP, The lack of recipe patents and preexisting art would make litigation very difficult. Recent thread that DK president said in phone conversation he learned recipe from a U of Celina spectroscopy report would require verification and unless they were on speaker phone would devolve quickly into denials and counter accusations. Fran -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Prepares PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL PRESS RELEASE -- Wednesday 30th November, 2011 Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012. Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs. Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012: 1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks. 2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for RD on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room. 3. RD-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion GreenTechnologies Global product development and RD efforts. Praxen-Defkalion Green Technologies Global S.A. -- Note to forum users You can download the Hyperion Spec Sheet .pdf file from our site (Product section- http://www.defkalion-energy.com/products) within the day. You are kindly asked to comment on it, if you wish, only in this sub-forum Discussion on Hyperion Specs at viewforum.php?f=17
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By a poster called Per: If they improve on a process that is stolen it does not change the fact, that it's stolen. Read the inteview. Defkalion please prove otherwise! Defkalion needs to moderate posts. It will be more work, but the forum is going to quickly run out of control (again). They are not doing themselves any favors in allowing such a willy-nilly (I believe that's the technical term) approach. I'd like to see the forum be useful and information-intensive. Instead, it will quickly devolve into attacks and innuendo. Those seeking real data will have to sift through hundreds of pages of cr*p to find anything meaningful. It's a corporate forum. They are under no obligation to host insults and accusations. There are other blogs and forums (and list serves) all over the net for criticism.
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A new discussion section just appeared on the Defkalion forum: Discussion on Hyperion Specs (Unlocked following Spec release on November 30th 2011) Let the fun begin! T
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: A new discussion section just appeared on the Defkalion forum: Discussion on Hyperion Specs (Unlocked following Spec release on November 30th 2011) Let the fun begin! Ah. I get it. You refer to this: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17 It is presently locked but it will open soon. - Jed
