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On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry but Nancy Grace was completely unknown to me. Please, take me to your world!
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I am always ready to answer and to help a VOColleague, but would you please explain a bit? Thanks! Peter On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Xavier Luminous xavier.lumin...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry but Nancy Grace was completely unknown to me. Please, take me to your world! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Hi Peter, In regards to who is Nancy Grace, all that is really relevant to the discussion in hand is that she is considered a highly controversial legal commentator within the United States. Grace's legal commentary show is currently broadcasted and hosted on locations like CNN.COM. Proponents of Nancy Grace's style of reporting say the following about her: Nancy Grace An outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts, Nancy Grace is the powerful force behind Headline News’ (HLN) top-rated Nancy Grace. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/grace.nancy.html Meanwhile, a somewhat more independent analysis of Nancy Grace reporting style can be found out at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace See my previous links to the Wikipedia article for the specifics. * * * * * The point I was trying to insinuate, and deliberately so I might add, is that IMO, Krivit's style of Rossi reporting reminds me of certain tactics Nancy Grace employs. Nancy claims she is fighting for victim's rights such as those who aren't in a position to defend themselves, particularly murdered individuals. Meanwhile, in Krivit's case, I'm sure he believes he is fighting for the rights of those in his audience who he feels are basically ignorant of certain nefarious elements belonging to the CF community. As such, from Krivit's POV these individuals are potential targets (or victims) that Krivit fears can be taken advantage of. From Krivit's POV, he wants to be the hero who ends up saving them through the tireless actions of his relentless editorials pertaining to the evil wiles of Rossi Co. I suspect some of Krivit's editorial/investigative actions (or agenda) may actually be derived from his own past history where he may have felt at one time in his life that he was being taken advantage of by certain individuals within the CF community, or that he felt they were deliberately attempting to manipulate him. Whether that is really true, I don't know. However, what matters is that I suspect Krivit believes that's what he experienced. Krivit doesn't want what he fears almost happened to him to happen to others. Granted, it's an altruistic perspective, if not taken to extremes. However, getting back to Nancy Grace, I'd like to point out the convenient fact that dead victims are no longer in a position to respond to Nancy's take on events. They can't potentially come back from the grave and tell Nancy things like, well that's not exactly how I recall it all went down for me. In Nancy case, dead victims have become convenient props that will not contradict her agenda. When I watch Nancy in one of her editorial rants, the impression I'm left with is someone attempting to deliberately whip up an emotionally charged perspective. It is deliberately meant to shock and outrage the listener over to Nancy's POV. It is a perspective that attempts to entice the viewer to luxuriate in a narcissistic emotional steam bath of self-righteous outrage. Once an individual is engulfed in the juices of their own sense of self-righteous outrage any sense of objectivity is pretty much left in the gutter. All the better for Nancy Grace and her style of keeping listeners addicted to her style of emotionally charged investigative reporting. I'm insinuating that IMO there appears to be a similar kind of an emotionally charged agenda in some of Krivit's attacks against Rossi. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:38 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, In regards to who is Nancy Grace, all that is really relevant to the discussion in hand is that she is considered a highly controversial legal commentator within the United States. Really? I thought she was a dancer who suffered a wardrobe malfunction. T
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Terry sez: Really? I thought she [Nancy grace] was a dancer who suffered a wardrobe malfunction. Wardrobe malfunction? Ahh, no... I think that would be more in reference to Janet Jackson's Super Bowl half-time presentation. Alas, we now have a generation of traumatized viewers that will need special psychiatric treatment and drugs for the rest of their lives. 8-0 Oh! The horror... the horror. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Wardrobe malfunction? Ahh, no... I think that would be more in reference to Janet Jackson's Super Bowl half-time presentation. www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/nancy-grace-wardrobe-malfunction It seems to make famous women famouser. T
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From Peter A second paper by Ugo Bardi using forced analogies and guilt by association. Very weak journalism and a kind of porcheria. irrespective of what Rossi has or hasn't. And a very harmful association of Krivit. I would call it treason- but this is a too great a word for such a stupid and counterproductive action. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if he is the enemy of my cause. http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012/03/e-cat-horror.html IMO, Ugo's post was just plain silly. To be fair, I suspect Ugo's was just trying to be humorous for the most part. Quite frankly, I thought it damaged Ugo's reputation, this particular installment and the lack of discrimination, far more than Ugo's humorous insinuations against Rossi's behavior. It was like watching another version of the Great Randi spouting off. an Italian version, that is. Regarding SK, let me perform an innocent guilt-by-association tactic of my own. Some of SK's editorials remind me of Nancy Grace's editorials: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace Excerpts: Controversies In 2011 a New York Times article David Carr wrote Since her show began in 2005, the presumption of innocence has found a willful enemy in the former prosecutor turned broadcast judge-and-jury. He criticized her handling of the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, the Duke lacrosse team rape case, the Melinda Duckett interview and suicide and the Caylee Anthony case. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley told Carr that Grace, as an attorney and reporter, has managed to demean both professions with her hype, rabid persona, and sensational analysis. Some part of the public takes her seriously, and her show erodes the respect for basic rights.[14] [edit] Elizabeth Smart kidnapping ...and this as well: Suicide of interviewee Melinda Duckett In September 2006, 21-year-old Melinda Duckett committed suicide following an interview conducted by Grace concerning the disappearance of Duckett's 2-year-old son Trenton.[22] Grace interviewed Duckett less than two weeks after the child went missing, questioning her for her alleged lack of openness regarding her son's disappearance, asking Duckett Where were you? Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?[23] Duckett appeared confused and was unable to answer whether or not she had taken a polygraph test. When Grace asked her why she could not account for specific details, Duckett began to reply, Because I was told not to, to which Grace responded, Ms. Duckett, you are not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went missing. It is day twelve. According to the CNN transcript, Duckett replied, (INAUDIBLE) with all media. It's not just there, just all media. Period. Grace then moved on to a media psychologist who asserted that Duckett was skirting around the issue.[22][23] The next day, before the airing of the show, Duckett shot herself, a death that relatives claim was influenced by media scrutiny, particularly from Grace.[22][24] Speaking to The Orlando Sentinel, Duckett's grandfather Bill Eubank said, Nancy Grace and the others, they just bashed her to the end. She was not one anyone ever would have thought of to do something like this.[22] CNN has also been criticized for allowing the show to air in the wake of Duckett's suicide.[25] Police investigating the case had not named Melinda Duckett as a suspect in the case at the time, but after her suicide the police did say that, as nearly all parents are in missing-child cases, she was a suspect from the beginning.[22] Final comment: In no way am I attempting to suggest that Rossi is in danger of committing suicide because of SK's relentless editorializations. Rather, as an analogy, I'm attempting to perform the equivalent of a same kind of guilt-by-association insinuation directed at SK for which SK's has attempted to insinuate concerning his relentless reporting on Rossi. I can't stand watching Nancy Grace, particularly when she goes on another one of her editorial rants. So, as innocent the insinuation goes: If the shoe fits. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Both papers of Bardi are of very low quality. You can write everything you want but Bardi has no contact with reality. The condition to lose from your reputation is to have one/some. I am sorry but Nancy Grace was completely unknown to me. Peter On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:03 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Peter ** ** A second paper by Ugo Bardi using forced analogies and guilt by association. Very weak journalism and a kind of porcheria. irrespective of what Rossi has or hasn't. And a very harmful association of Krivit. I would call it treason- but this is a too great a word for such a stupid and counterproductive action. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if he is the enemy of my cause.** ** http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012/03/e-cat-horror.html ** ** IMO, Ugo’s post was just plain silly. To be fair, I suspect Ugo’s was just trying to be humorous for the most part. Quite frankly, I thought it damaged Ugo’s reputation, this particular installment and the lack of discrimination, far more than Ugo’s “humorous” insinuations against Rossi’s behavior. It was like watching another version of the Great Randi spouting off… an Italian version, that is. ** ** Regarding SK, let me perform an innocent guilt-by-association tactic of my own. Some of SK’s editorials remind me of Nancy Grace’s editorials: ** ** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace ** ** Excerpts: ** ** *Controversies* ** ** In 2011 a New York Times article David Carr wrote “Since her show began in 2005, the presumption of innocence has found a willful enemy in the former prosecutor turned broadcast judge-and-jury. He criticized her handling of the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, the Duke lacrosse team rape case, the Melinda Duckett interview and suicide and the Caylee Anthony case. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley told Carr that Grace, as an attorney and reporter, “has managed to demean both professions with her hype, rabid persona, and sensational analysis. Some part of the public takes her seriously, and her show erodes the respect for basic rights.”[14] [edit] Elizabeth Smart kidnapping ** ** ...and this as well: ** ** *Suicide of interviewee Melinda Duckett* ** ** In September 2006, 21-year-old Melinda Duckett committed suicide following an interview conducted by Grace concerning the disappearance of Duckett's 2-year-old son Trenton.[22] Grace interviewed Duckett less than two weeks after the child went missing, questioning her for her alleged lack of openness regarding her son's disappearance, asking Duckett Where were you? Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?[23] Duckett appeared confused and was unable to answer whether or not she had taken a polygraph test. When Grace asked her why she could not account for specific details, Duckett began to reply,* *** Because I was told not to, to which Grace responded, Ms. Duckett, you are not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give* *** even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went** ** missing. It is day twelve. According to the CNN transcript, Duckett replied, (INAUDIBLE) with all media. It's not just there, just all media. Period. Grace then moved on to a media psychologist who asserted that** ** Duckett was skirting around the issue.[22][23] ** ** The next day, before the airing of the show, Duckett shot herself, a death that relatives claim was influenced by media scrutiny, particularly from Grace.[22][24] Speaking to The Orlando Sentinel, Duckett's grandfather Bill Eubank said, Nancy Grace and the others, they just bashed her to the end. She was not one anyone ever would have thought of to do something** ** like this.[22] CNN has also been criticized for allowing the show to air in the wake of Duckett's suicide.[25] Police investigating the case had* *** not named Melinda Duckett as a suspect in the case at the time, but after her suicide the police did say that, as nearly all parents are in missing-child cases, she was a suspect from the beginning.[22] ** ** Final comment: In no way am I attempting to suggest that Rossi is in danger of committing suicide because of SK's relentless editorializations. Rather, as an analogy, I’m attempting to perform the equivalent of a same kind of guilt-by-association insinuation directed at SK for which SK’s has attempted to insinuate concerning his relentless reporting on Rossi. I can’t stand watching Nancy Grace, particularly when she goes on another one of her editorial rants. ** ** So, as “innocent”
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From Peter: ... I am sorry but Nancy Grace was completely unknown to me. Then you are most fortunate. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/14/ugo-bardi-the-e-cat-horror/ Krivit is surely playing with fire. If he is right, his jokes will help harm even more LERN reputation and thus, his own career. If he is wrong, it's the same, but just to himself. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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From Daniel: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/14/ugo-bardi-the-e-cat-horror/ Krivit is surely playing with fire. If he is right, his jokes will help harm even more LERN reputation and thus, his own career. If he is wrong, it's the same, but just to himself. Regarding Ugo's continuing blog on Rossi: http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012/03/e-cat-horror.html Ya know, regarding the photo of the two famous actors in Mel Brook's Young Frankenstein film, I do see a kind of resemblance as depicted by Gene Wilder representing Rossi, and Marty Feldman representing Focardi. What I wanna know is who represents the character with the enormous schwanzstuker? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SClmiso_2Y Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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A second paper by Ugo Bardi using forced analogies and guilt by association. Very weak journalism and a kind of porcheria. irrespective of what Rossi has or hasn't. And a very harmful association of Krivit. I would call it treason- but this is a too great a word for such a stupid and counterproductive action. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if he is the enemy of my cause. Peter On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:51 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From Daniel: ** ** http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/14/ugo-bardi-the-e-cat-horror/ ** ** ** ** Krivit is surely playing with fire. If he is right, his jokes will help harm even more LERN reputation and thus, his own career. If he is wrong, it's the same, but just to himself. ** ** Regarding Ugo's continuing blog on Rossi: ** ** http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012/03/e-cat-horror.html ** ** Ya know, regarding the photo of the two famous actors in Mel Brook’s *Young Frankenstein* film, I do see a kind of resemblance as depicted by Gene Wilder representing Rossi, and Marty Feldman representing Focardi. ** ** What I wanna know is who represents the character with the enormous schwanzstuker? ** ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SClmiso_2Y ** ** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
