[Vo]:Mark Gibbs - Forbes- on LENR January 20th blog

2012-01-22 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-l,

Here is the latest from Mark Gibbs.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/20/cold-fusion-theory-or-fact/

Perhaps, when advertisements are placed in Forbes for LENR
devices, then they will accept the notion...that LENR ..might... work.

mgi...@gibbs.com  ..a Colleridge quote: Like a painted ship..upon a
painted ocean.

Ron Kita, Chiralex


Re: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs - Forbes- on LENR January 20th blog

2012-01-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:

Here is the latest from Mark Gibbs.

 http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/20/cold-fusion-theory-or-fact/


This is the worst column he has written. He is a professional science
writer yet he makes a hash of basic terminology! He does not understand the
difference between an experimental observation, a hypothesis and a
theory. He uses the word theory in the everyday language sense meaning
hypothesis or vague possibility.

Many ignorant people opposed to science make the same mistake. Creationists
often say that the theory of evolution is only a theory meaning (in
professional terms) it is only an unproven hypothesis. In the profession
sense of the word there is nothing doubtful about major theories such as
the atomic theory, the germ theory, special relativity, or evolution. These
things are as well established as laws such as Newton's first law (inertia).

I believe that is called a law because there is nothing below it. As far
as I know, there is no deeper understanding of inertia yet. When it can be
explained I guess it will become a theory of inertia.

In his previous column, Gibbs wanted to know what is the difference between
cold fusion and LENR. He was petulant about that, demanding to know the
difference. I didn't bother posting a message telling him they mean the
same thing. He knows how to reach me or anyone else in this field. He could
read Nagel's introduction to the terms cold fusion LENR FP effect
etc. He is putting on an act. A petulant, 3-year-old act: They won't tell
me anything! Like Mary Yugo he reads nothing and then complains that no
one tells him what he wants to know.

- Jed


RE: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs - Forbes- on LENR January 20th blog

2012-01-22 Thread *** Craig Brown ***
Gibbs  seems utterly desperate to explain LENR away as just an unrepeatable
anomaly and as usual Mary is one of the first  to get the word scam in
there somewhere.  I find it curious how the noisy negativists get so over
the top obsessed with ramming their opinions down everyone's throat. I can
imagine them sitting at their PCs, literally foaming at the mouth while
typing.  You do wonder what sort of mindset you have to be in to dedicate
your life to trying to kill off frontiers of research that could save this
planet.  That's a pretty dark set of values.

 

From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 23 January 2012 5:44 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs - Forbes- on LENR January 20th blog

 

Greetings Vortex-l,

 

Here is the latest from Mark Gibbs.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/20/cold-fusion-theory-or-fact/


 

Perhaps, when advertisements are placed in Forbes for LENR

devices, then they will accept the notion...that LENR ..might... work.

 

mgi...@gibbs.com  ..a Colleridge quote: Like a painted ship..upon a
painted ocean.

 

Ron Kita, Chiralex



Re: [Vo]:Mark Gibbs - Forbes- on LENR January 20th blog

2012-01-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM, *** Craig Brown *** cr...@overunity.cowrote:

 Gibbs  seems utterly desperate to explain LENR away as just an
 unrepeatable anomaly


I'm not so sure.  I would have guessed the opposite to be the case.  In
this instance he might be responding to pressure as a journalist to keep a
professional distance from LENR and not become too associated with what has
been called junk science.  Perhaps he's worried about his credibility in
the eyes of his readers or his editors.  But in any event he does not
appear to have taken the time to read the literature, or at some deeper
level he doesn't take it seriously.  There are multiple reports
of reproducibility.


 and as usual “Mary” is one of the first  to get the word “scam” in there
 somewhere.  I find it curious how the noisy negativists get so over the top
 obsessed with ramming their opinions down everyone’s throat.


In referring to people by name like this and in using this kind of
language, no doubt out of an understandable wish to limit or prevent
negativism, you're resorting to it yourself.  I'm new to this forum and
defer to those who have been here for years for direction on this kind of
thing, but I think we should try to maintain a respectful tone.