RE: [Vo]:Phonons and how do you make them
Not that I think that gas motion is missing, in fact I believe that both of these vacuum effects coexist but obviously at different scales with a strong possibility that random gas motion is locally unchanged by the less local CE and DCE. Where just gas motion or just CE would be expected to reach equilibrium / COE where gas atoms simply move back and forth to average out to zero gain. I believe the geometry and quantum effects allow the normally chaotic motions to be organized into an exploitable force where the random motion opposes the change in Casimir force [DCE] and allows HUP to act like the hammer against which the now moving anvil that is DCE strikes in this confined space. IMHO zero point is the energy source for whatever theory you like, disassociating molecules, lowering the coulomb barrier, Lamb pinch or what ever. The DCE is of course needs a resonance but can be powered by many of the mechanism described in this forum like plasmons, lasers , audio, piezo and combinations thereof alternately opposing random motion to greater and lesser extents and if my pet theory is correct to a greater and lesser extend based on atomic or molecular state of the gas. In this pet theory the energy gain is realized by discounting the disassociation threshold lower than the thermal gain when the molecule immediately reforms..runaway. Other theories realize gain in different manners but I suspect the underlying energy they are exploiting is still this normally unexploitable force responsible for gas motion..HUP. Fran _ From: Frank roarty [mailto:fr...@roarty.biz] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Phonons and how do you make them Agreed it is possible to imagine that there are surface features of this nickel powder in the ~50 nm range and easy to imagine these microtubules become interlaced when packed into bulk form and resonate through a range of nano geometries. Without even moving the hydrogen is already exposed to dynamic values of Casimir force. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Phonons and how do you make them -Original Message- From: Brad Lowe Question: How do you create phonons in a lattice and be able to adjust and measure their frequency to get the results suggested by the theory? Brad - IMO the precise way you have stated this question makes it unlikely (i.e. adjusting the lattice frequency), but claimed results may have been accomplished in another way. The trick that Rossi apparently uses is somewhat the inverse of this, and could be called serendipity. Intentionally or not, Rossi has used a ceramic (SiC)containment structure for the Hot Cat which is semi-coherent in the IR at a certain important temperature (very sharp peak). Rossi may not have known of the incredibly steep peak of reflectance for SiC at 10-11 microns, leading to superradiance - but he was fortunate to be in a particular Italian Lab (with Focardi) where SiC is routinely used, so it was available. The result is the HotCat. The optical photons and lattice phonons are locked, and emitted at the same semi-coherent frequency. It is laser-like optical emission, not pure coherence but superradiant. IOW the enclosure material of the HotCat itself is superradiant at the desired frequency of ~27-28 THz which is 10-11 micron photon wavelength. This photon has a mass energy of .113 eV which is the temperature equivalent to 1038 C. Many theorists (Hagelstein et al) have noticed this far IR range of activity seems to be semi-coherent and related to gain. Conclusion: The natural IR resonance of SiC happens to be intrinsic to the gain of the Rossi Hot Cat, due to its inherent properties at a specific wavelength (no need for adjustment)- and gain is achieved by surface plasmon absorption of semi-coherent IR irradiation in a positive feedback loop. If Frank Z's MHz-meter hypothesis is involved in Rossi's device, then one would need to show nanometer particulate. Rossi says many times that his nickel is 10 micron obtained from http://www.gerlimetalli.it/inglese/ihome.htm However, it is possible to imagine that there are surface features of this nickel powder in the ~50 nm range which Frank Z has claimed is active for Pd-D cold fusion. Once again, however, the evidence seems to show that Pd-D (which may be far more relevant to MHz-meter) is a different reaction entirely than is Ni-H. The two cannot easily be rationalized as being the part of a single modus operandi. Jones
[Vo]:Phonons and how do you make them
E-Cat World has a guest post by a Gordon Docherty on LENR 101: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/lenr-101-by-gordon-docherty/ One part that has me puzzled: Once hydrogen has been introduced into the evacuated crystal lattice under pressure and heat applied,one more VITAL element is applied – very high frequency compression waves, known as phononic waves due to their equivalence to sound waves (frequencies around 1 x 10 14Hz are typical.). The important factor is that (grain) size * frequency equals 1.094 MHz-metre, as this is the frequencey at which impedance reduces to zero, so allowing energy to transfer between elements in the lattice without loss. I don't care so much whether this is a WAG (wild-ass guess), a message from space aliens (or Frank Znidarsic), or a stolen company secret... I want to know if this can be done, and has it been attempted... Question: How do you create phonons in a lattice and be able to adjust and measure their frequency to get the results suggested by the theory? Would like something that can be mounted inside a hot chamber containing nickel, hydrogen, heat, and pressure... Example: Signal generator (with range A through B) - circuit ?? - equipment [???] -- measurement(s). Thoughts? - Brad P.S. Does anyone have a picture of the inside of the Hot Cat that was posted on Cobraf? It showed two two copper discs with the nickel like substance... with the suggestion that the two discs created a type of IR laser.. Seemed interesting but I didn't save the link...
Re: [Vo]:Phonons and how do you make them
Thanks Jones.. Not sure I have the skills to build what you describe either.. By the way, this is the purported picture of the inside of the hot cat: http://www.cobraf.com/showimage.php?image=/forum/immagini/R_123537009_1.jpg from: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/topic.php?reply_id=123537112topic_id=5747ps=20pg=3sh=0 So the hot cat would be the copper discs, nickel + hydrogen suspended in a asbestos-like substance, heated inside a carborundum tube? http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/carborundum-tube-furnace-heater.html - Brad On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Brad Lowe Question: How do you create phonons in a lattice and be able to adjust and measure their frequency to get the results suggested by the theory? Brad - IMO the precise way you have stated this question makes it unlikely (i.e. adjusting the lattice frequency), but claimed results may have been accomplished in another way. The trick that Rossi apparently uses is somewhat the inverse of this, and could be called serendipity. Intentionally or not, Rossi has used a ceramic (SiC)containment structure for the Hot Cat which is semi-coherent in the IR at a certain important temperature (very sharp peak). Rossi may not have known of the incredibly steep peak of reflectance for SiC at 10-11 microns, leading to superradiance - but he was fortunate to be in a particular Italian Lab (with Focardi) where SiC is routinely used, so it was available. The result is the HotCat. The optical photons and lattice phonons are locked, and emitted at the same semi-coherent frequency. It is laser-like optical emission, not pure coherence but superradiant. IOW the enclosure material of the HotCat itself is superradiant at the desired frequency of ~27-28 THz which is 10-11 micron photon wavelength. This photon has a mass energy of .113 eV which is the temperature equivalent to 1038 C. Many theorists (Hagelstein et al) have noticed this far IR range of activity seems to be semi-coherent and related to gain. Conclusion: The natural IR resonance of SiC happens to be intrinsic to the gain of the Rossi Hot Cat, due to its inherent properties at a specific wavelength (no need for adjustment)- and gain is achieved by surface plasmon absorption of semi-coherent IR irradiation in a positive feedback loop. If Frank Z's MHz-meter hypothesis is involved in Rossi's device, then one would need to show nanometer particulate. Rossi says many times that his nickel is 10 micron obtained from http://www.gerlimetalli.it/inglese/ihome.htm However, it is possible to imagine that there are surface features of this nickel powder in the ~50 nm range which Frank Z has claimed is active for Pd-D cold fusion. Once again, however, the evidence seems to show that Pd-D (which may be far more relevant to MHz-meter) is a different reaction entirely than is Ni-H. The two cannot easily be rationalized as being the part of a single modus operandi. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Phonons
Seems a paper was written about stadium waves in 2002 http://angel.elte.hu/wave/download/article/MexWave.pdf Harry On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] what determines the speed of this wave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfX0j7-fLmk Human reaction time. People react to what those around them are doing. Herd mentality. Harry Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Phonons
In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] what determines the speed of this wave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfX0j7-fLmk Human reaction time. People react to what those around them are doing. Herd mentality. Harry Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Phonons
You proved my theory, Beer effects human reaction time :) On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:37 -0400: Hi, [snip] what determines the speed of this wave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfX0j7-fLmk Human reaction time. People react to what those around them are doing. Herd mentality. Harry Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Phonons
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:02:46 -0400: Hi, [snip] You proved my theory, Beer effects human reaction time :) :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Phonons
Dynamic visual aid: http://nofiriantirani.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/ilussion/ Can you imagine this in 3D?
Re: [Vo]:Phonons
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Dynamic visual aid: http://nofiriantirani.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/ilussion/ Can you imagine this in 3D? what determines the speed of this wave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfX0j7-fLmk Harry
Re: [Vo]:Phonons
Beer On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Dynamic visual aid: http://nofiriantirani.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/ilussion/ Can you imagine this in 3D? what determines the speed of this wave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfX0j7-fLmk Harry
