Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2018-01-30 Thread Nigel Dyer 
I agree about Pollack, indeed I have him to blame for my interest in 
LENR. I agree that there may well be a closer link between LENR and 
Jerry's exclusion zone ideas.  Indeed, that lies behind the neutrino 
ideas that I posted here a month or so ago.


Nigel


On 30/01/2018 17:04, Brian Ahern wrote:


Pollack is amazing.His work is uncomfortable for the old guard to 
incorporate into their world view. CF/LANR should face his 
observations since they are both looking at effects in liquid water at 
low electric fields.

Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2018-01-30 Thread Brian Ahern 
Pollack is amazing.His work is uncomfortable for the old guard to incorporate 
into their world view. CF/LANR should face his observations since they are both 
looking at effects in liquid water at low electric fields.



From: Nigel Dyer 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:35 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could 
unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert


I tend to think that his ideas on this specific aspect, the formation of 
'exclusion zones' at the surfaces of blood vessels may also be an important 
factor, and that the two effects may well work in tandem.

On 30/01/2018 12:27, Brian Ahern wrote:

see gerald pollack for the flow issue.



From: Nigel Dyer 
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 2:56 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could 
unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert


Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are observed on 
the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion that it was 
completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano drumming.  I wondered 
if the surface structure of red blood cells (with its spectrin networks) have 
evolved to make use of this to help them move through blood vessels, but never 
followed it up

Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2018-01-30 Thread Nigel Dyer 
I tend to think that his ideas on this specific aspect, the formation of 
'exclusion zones' at the surfaces of blood vessels may also be an 
important factor, and that the two effects may well work in tandem.



On 30/01/2018 12:27, Brian Ahern wrote:


see gerald pollack for the flow issue.




*From:* Nigel Dyer 
*Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 2:56 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that 
could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert


Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are 
observed on the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion 
that it was completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano 
drumming.  I wondered if the surface structure of red blood cells 
(with its spectrin networks) have evolved to make use of this to help 
them move through blood vessels, but never followed it up


Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2018-01-30 Thread Brian Ahern 
see gerald pollack for the flow issue.



From: Nigel Dyer 
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 2:56 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could 
unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert


Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are observed on 
the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion that it was 
completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano drumming.  I wondered 
if the surface structure of red blood cells (with its spectrin networks) have 
evolved to make use of this to help them move through blood vessels, but never 
followed it up

Nigel

On 26/11/2017 14:58, JonesBeene wrote:





In reply to  Jack Cole's message:



>I found a link to the full paper.  Maybe that will help us understand more.

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>https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2018-01-29 Thread Nigel Dyer 
Some years ago I looked at some data covering the motions that are 
observed on the surface of red blood cells, and cam to the conclusion 
that it was completely thermal, so probably another instance of nano 
drumming.  I wondered if the surface structure of red blood cells (with 
its spectrin networks) have evolved to make use of this to help them 
move through blood vessels, but never followed it up


Nigel

On 26/11/2017 14:58, JonesBeene wrote:


In reply to  Jack Cole's message:

>I found a link to the full paper. Maybe that will help us understand 
more.


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>https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2017-11-26 Thread JonesBeene 


In reply to  Jack Cole's message:

>I found a link to the full paper.  Maybe that will help us understand more..
>
>https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf



Another case of researchers not doing their homework. The discovery of 
nanodrumming goes back to 2008

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl8029866

One would think that the authors of the latest paper would have done a minimal 
online search and given credit to Cal Tech. After all, this phenomenon has been 
known for at least 9 years.

That is what graduate assistants are for, right?

I suppose that in defense of the overlooked precedent, they will rationalize 
that the Cal Tech group “merely” documented the phenomenon (discovered it) and 
did not convert the free vibrational energy into usable electricity… but as 
Robin suggests, it is not clear that they did either.

Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2017-11-25 Thread mixent 
In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:49:20 +:
Hi,
[snip]
>It's not completely clear to me where the energy is coming from beyond
>heat.  The occasional anomalous vibrational waves are converted to
>electricity.  The researcher makes basically the same claims in the video
>as is made in the article.

Heat would imply a second law violation. This would only work IMO if they
combine it with a "diode". (In the paper they mention a "ratchet mechanism",
which is essentially a mechanical diode.) 
In the article they mention charge transport, but without an electrical diode, I
would expect charges to be transported in both directions, with an average net
null result.

>
>I found a link to the full paper.  Maybe that will help us understand more.
>
>https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2017-11-25 Thread Jack Cole 
It's not completely clear to me where the energy is coming from beyond
heat.  The occasional anomalous vibrational waves are converted to
electricity.  The researcher makes basically the same claims in the video
as is made in the article.

I found a link to the full paper.  Maybe that will help us understand more.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.06301.pdf

Jack

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RE: [Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2017-11-25 Thread JonesBeene 

From: Jack Cole


https://www.sciencealert.com/graphene-levy-flights-limitless-power-future-electronic-devices

The abstract here reads very different from the article above and doesn’t 
mention limitless energy

https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.117.126801

Where is the supposed excess energy coming from?  ZPE ?


BTW - Graphene is easy to make. Robert Murray-Smith has a number of videos on 
this.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AkVj-qnJxNtKuz3rkq16A

He has an ink which can be printed on paper and is more electrically  
conductive than metal.

[Vo]:Physicists just found a loophole in graphene that could unlock clean, limitless energy - ScienceAlert

2017-11-25 Thread Jack Cole 
https://www.sciencealert.com/graphene-levy-flights-limitless-power-future-electronic-devices