RE: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
E.L. Mr. Bill Beaty, the list founder and benevolent, and mostly absent, dictator, shut The Collective down for ~24 hours after flushing the trolls down the . well, use your imagination. It is back online now and the signal-to-noise ratio is climbing fast! -Mark From: Energy Liberator [mailto:energylibera...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:32 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked. Thanks Bill Although I'm new to this mailing list and haven't contributed much, I still enjoy reading the opinions, ideas and news from those more knowledgeable then myself. I must confess that I'm here mainly for the Rossi / LENR threads though. It was becoming impossible and time consuming to filter the repetitive garbage from the real posts as they pretty much polluted all the threads. I have to say though it's been deathly quiet here today. On 23/01/12 09:48, William Beaty wrote: Vtx thoughtcriminals. Scoffing and anti-fringe behavior, but didn't leave in disgust as suggested. Ungood! Time for Periodic Cleansing. removed: Mary Yugo effwivakeef Dusty Bradshaw Shaun Taylor Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked. SUGGESTIONS
At 04:48 AM 1/23/2012, William Beaty wrote: Vtx thoughtcriminals. Scoffing and anti-fringe behavior, but didn't leave in disgust as suggested. Ungood! Time for Periodic Cleansing. removed: Mary Yugo effwivakeef Dusty Bradshaw Shaun Taylor Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. I'd not have handled this the same way, but, to be sure, Mr. Beaty owns this list. I'd have put questionable participants, if it's at all marginal, on moderation. That could create a burden for the owner, so I'd have multiple moderators. And there is another path which means that, in effect, the list isn't exactly censored. Any user may send any other subscriber to the list -- and if you have been receiving the list, you have direct email addresses for active subscribers -- a post, and the subscriber may forward that post *on their own responsibility.* I'd consider this on request, but do be aware that I can get very busy and might not get to it quickly. I was one who had noted that posts had gone beyond the pale. I would not forward such posts. However, some posts by some of those removed were of interest and valuable. I do recommend, for the future, that a list moderator warn users before excluding them. Putting a user on moderation is a form of warning. In my opinion, when a list is actually serving a community rather than the owner as an individual, such things should be done openly. (As Mr. Beaty's action was open.) Complaints by those involved in disputes with a user are not effective as warnings, they are readily discounted. Rules should be clear, and when rules are ignored for a long time -- as they were -- enforcement should begin with care so that people have a chance and some time to alter their behavior, if that's what they choose. The archive should not be redacted, except for illegal posts. If we want a cleaned archive, that should be done through a mirror of the list. (Or the position can be reversed, there is a mirror which has a full archive, and the main list has a redacted archive.)
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked. SUGGESTIONS
I'd not have handled this the same way, but, to be sure, Mr. Beaty owns this list. Vortex operates by an automated remailer. Moderation is not a feature of this type of list. T
[Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
Vtx thoughtcriminals. Scoffing and anti-fringe behavior, but didn't leave in disgust as suggested. Ungood! Time for Periodic Cleansing. removed: Mary Yugo effwivakeef Dusty Bradshaw Shaun Taylor Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, William Beaty wrote: Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. OK, back on. I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
A BIG THANK YOU Bill! Mark Jordan On 23-Jan-12 07:48, William Beaty wrote: Vtx thoughtcriminals. Scoffing and anti-fringe behavior, but didn't leave in disgust as suggested. Ungood! Time for Periodic Cleansing. removed: Mary Yugo effwivakeef Dusty Bradshaw Shaun Taylor Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
From B. Beaty Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. OK, back on. Thank you for your recent cleaning efforts, Bill. Much appreciated! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Thank you for your recent cleaning efforts, Bill. I love watching the water vortex after pushing the handle. T
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
This is great, I just cleaned my inbox from about 700 unread messages. I hope that we will get more quality and less quantity in near future. If someone is too active and produces too little meaningful content, could we issue a warning system, that unless a poster reduces his/her posting frequency to one mail per day, he/she will be banned? My opinion still is, that voicing negative opinions is not bad itself, but flooding my inbox with meaningless and nonconstructive 'trolling' is the problem. –Jouni On 24 January 2012 04:27, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Thank you for your recent cleaning efforts, Bill. I love watching the water vortex after pushing the handle. T
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
Phew, I made it. I'll come clean. I am an LENR believer A Rossi Sceptic (hopefully he will hire some PR help and in the end be recognized for what he has discovered) A Defkalion hopeful - glad to hear they have opened up independent testing. That should get widespread recognition of the potential of the technology. Paradigm shift. Hopefully start of a cleaner planet. I had a dream I built an LENR reactor to heat my pool year round at any temperature I want. I think I will do that. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, William Beaty wrote: Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. OK, back on. I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
Hi Jouni, Don’t know if the software, which is quite old, can do what you request, however, when the Collective’s toilet gets backed up with turds, Mr. Bill (Beaty) comes in to unplug and flush the toilet… so, it should last for awhile. -Mark From: Jouni Valkonen [mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked. This is great, I just cleaned my inbox from about 700 unread messages. I hope that we will get more quality and less quantity in near future. If someone is too active and produces too little meaningful content, could we issue a warning system, that unless a poster reduces his/her posting frequency to one mail per day, he/she will be banned? My opinion still is, that voicing negative opinions is not bad itself, but flooding my inbox with meaningless and nonconstructive 'trolling' is the problem. –Jouni On 24 January 2012 04:27, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:20 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Thank you for your recent cleaning efforts, Bill. I love watching the water vortex after pushing the handle. T
RE: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
ChemE, I think most of us have a healthy skepticism, especially when it comes to Rossi, and that is always in the back of our minds, but the whole purpose is to keep an open-mind, ask ourselves 'what if.' and run with that to see where is leads. engage in discussions, see things from different perspectives.. It's all good when the overall goal is exploration, learning and thinking outside the box. The difference between the skeptics here and those that just got flushed, rest their souls, is, just because you say you're a LENR believer doesn't make you oblivious to facts that contradict that leaning. i.e., although we feel strongly that LENR is real, and therefore there was a good chance that Rossi was on to something, we are still able to see the discrepancies and contradictions. that's *rational* skepticism. This comes about by the collective wisdom of the Collective. there are strong enough personalities in the Collective that prevent total belief taking over, and rational levels of belief/skepticism ultimately prevail. Looking forward to some interesting weeks and months ahead! -Mark From: Chemical Engineer [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:48 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked. Phew, I made it. I'll come clean. I am an LENR believer A Rossi Sceptic (hopefully he will hire some PR help and in the end be recognized for what he has discovered) A Defkalion hopeful - glad to hear they have opened up independent testing. That should get widespread recognition of the potential of the technology. Paradigm shift. Hopefully start of a cleaner planet. I had a dream I built an LENR reactor to heat my pool year round at any temperature I want. I think I will do that. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:32 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012, William Beaty wrote: Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. OK, back on. I'll leave subscribe turned off for weeks/months, unsubscribe remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:REMOVING RULE2 VIOLATORS, 'subscribe' blocked.
Thanks Bill Although I'm new to this mailing list and haven't contributed much, I still enjoy reading the opinions, ideas and news from those more knowledgeable then myself. I must confess that I'm here mainly for the Rossi / LENR threads though. It was becoming impossible and time consuming to filter the repetitive garbage from the real posts as they pretty much polluted all the threads. I have to say though it's been deathly quiet here today. On 23/01/12 09:48, William Beaty wrote: Vtx thoughtcriminals. "Scoffing" and anti-fringe behavior, but didn't leave in disgust as suggested. Ungood! Time for Periodic Cleansing. removed: "Mary" "Yugo" effwivakeef Dusty Bradshaw Shaun Taylor Vortex traffic temporarily suspended. Getting everyone's attention. I'll leave "subscribe" turned off for weeks/months, "unsubscribe" remains active. Email me directly for problems, suggestions. (( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
