[Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.
The real purpose would be to find out how to mass-produce similar machines. It's interesting how you an write something like this quoted sentence and still writing how Rossi is a genius and a great business man. A great business man that sold his secrets for 2M$ USD, with a technology valued over hundred of billions of USD. -Messaggio originale- From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant. Peter Heckert wrote: Under industrial conditions and full load it would overheat, leak again, or the electric would fail after the first leak and steam inside. No normal customer would want to buy this. You are correct that this is a prototype, not a finished industrial product. That is obvious. It has no practical use. That is not the point. It is not the case that a normal customer would not want to buy this. If the decision makers at an industrial corporation, or a military organization sent expert engineers to evaluate this machine (as reportedly happened in this case), and those engineers reported back that it is real, then of course the organization would want to buy it. If they had any sense, they would be willing to pay tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars for it. Such organizations would purchase the machine in order to reverse engineer it. Not to use it in an actual customer site application. Using it would be a ridiculous thing to do. The only value this machine has is the information about what it is and how to make it. In 1942 the United States Navy captured a Zero fighter plane in Alaska, after the Battle of Midway. The airplane was taken back to the United States and tested extensively. It was a gold mine of engineering intelligence. At about the same time, the Japanese army captured several US bulldozers and other mechanized construction equipment, in the Philippines I believe. This equipment was not taken to Japan. It was used on site, and eventually it wore out and was destroyed. Bulldozers were critical to the war effort. Japanese industry had no experience making them. Bringing them back to Japan would have been an intelligence gold mine. (A retired Japanese army soldier told me about this.) Using the 1 MW reactor for an commercial application would be like using bulldozers on site. It would be like using the zero fighter plane for replacement parts at a US Naval base, instead of testing it and evaluating its performance. Granted, you might want to install it at an actual site to observe performance under real-world conditions. You would use extensive instrumentation. The real purpose would be to find out how to mass-produce similar machines. - Jed
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Jed is right on this one. Rossi cannot do much besides that and must be paranoid. What would you do in Rossi's place? 2011/11/7 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com The real purpose would be to find out how to mass-produce similar machines. It's interesting how you an write something like this quoted sentence and still writing how Rossi is a genius and a great business man. A great business man that sold his secrets for 2M$ USD, with a technology valued over hundred of billions of USD.
[Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.
Jed is right on this one. Rossi cannot do much besides that and must be paranoid. What would you do in Rossi's place? Maybe filing a *true* patent request, instead of one that is bullshit. Contact DoD/DoE (Rossi did it and they refused to finance) or well know American corporation like General Electric, instead of unknow start-up companies based on fiscal paradies (like Defkalion). Making a black-box calorimetry at MIT (Rossi refused a free test offered by MIT’s professor). What Rossi did? - He filed a bullshit patent since it’s not descriptive of the invention - He (claim) has contacted DoD/DoE in 2009 - He refused to do even a simple black-box calorimetry because of “Snake! Spies! bla bla” Then he sell his secrets for 2M$ USD. And Jed, the same guy that said that Rossi is a great bsuiness man, wrote that the “secret customer” has likely bought the rossi’s reactor for find out the secrets. It' doesn’t make sense, not at all. It’s like an acid trip. From: Daniel Rocha Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant. Jed is right on this one. Rossi cannot do much besides that and must be paranoid. What would you do in Rossi's place? 2011/11/7 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com The real purpose would be to find out how to mass-produce similar machines. It's interesting how you an write something like this quoted sentence and still writing how Rossi is a genius and a great business man. A great business man that sold his secrets for 2M$ USD, with a technology valued over hundred of billions of USD.
Re: [Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe filing a *true* patent request, instead of one that is bullshit. I suspect he is not capable of doing that. Contact DoD/DoE (Rossi did it and they refused to finance) . . . The DoD and DoE cannot finance something like this. DARPA might help but Rossi says he will not work with the military. The DoE can only issue grants to established laboratories and corporations. or well know American corporation like General Electric, instead of unknow start-up companies based on fiscal paradies (like Defkalion). I doubt that GE would talk to someone with a claim as wild as this. Then he sell his secrets for 2M$ USD. I don't think he meant to sell the secrets. And Jed, the same guy that said that Rossi is a great bsuiness man . . . I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER said that he is a great businessman!!! Why do people keep putting these absurd statements into my mouth? I said the opposite many times. He is facing a difficult situation. Everyone in cold fusion is, since the U.S. Patent Office will not look at a cold fusion claim. - Jed
[Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant.
I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER said that he is a great businessman!!! Why do people keep putting these absurd statements into my mouth? I said the opposite many times. Okay, you wrote that he was an “experienced businessman”. Change nothing in yours and mines sentences. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:39 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant. Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe filing a *true* patent request, instead of one that is bullshit. I suspect he is not capable of doing that. Contact DoD/DoE (Rossi did it and they refused to finance) . . . The DoD and DoE cannot finance something like this. DARPA might help but Rossi says he will not work with the military. The DoE can only issue grants to established laboratories and corporations. or well know American corporation like General Electric, instead of unknow start-up companies based on fiscal paradies (like Defkalion). I doubt that GE would talk to someone with a claim as wild as this. Then he sell his secrets for 2M$ USD. I don't think he meant to sell the secrets. And Jed, the same guy that said that Rossi is a great bsuiness man . . . I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER said that he is a great businessman!!! Why do people keep putting these absurd statements into my mouth? I said the opposite many times. He is facing a difficult situation. Everyone in cold fusion is, since the U.S. Patent Office will not look at a cold fusion claim. - Jed
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Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER said that he is a great businessman!!! Why do people keep putting these absurd statements into my mouth? I said the opposite many times. Okay, you wrote that he was an “experienced businessman”. Change nothing in yours and mines sentences. Below are a few things I said about Rossi on Nov. 4, and many times previously. I said he is sloppy and pathological. If you call this unstinting praise, or hero-worshiping, I would hate to see what you call an insult. If I were to call him ax murderer I suppose you would say I admire his dexterity with tools. What is it about Rossi? You are only allowed to attack him and say the worst of him. When you even suggest that the facts prove he is right, or that he is brilliant despite his human flaws, why do so many people think you are a patsy or a naive? Have you people never encountered a brilliant, creative person with a jarring personality? You should have met Arata or Steve Jobs. Arata has a stellar intellect. He has had an astounding life, with many times more important accomplishments than most people. He deserves the building they named in his honor, and the international award, and the dozens of other awards. He has a tremendous grasp of physics and chemistry. His students and coworkers are loyal to him for decades, so he must inspire deep appreciation at some level. People are many-sided after all. The thing is, in ordinary interactions, talking with members of the press, or in his right-wing political YouTube videos, Arata can be an obnoxious jerk. You can read about Jobs in several biographies. As he said toward the end of his life, living with me has not been a bowl of cherries. There is no doubt he was a brilliant businessman and he had a keen sense of design, and a sense of what can be done at the extreme edge of technology. Still, he was an obnoxious jerk. Manipulative, cruel, scheming . . . a terrible person in many ways. Rossi looks like a saint in comparison. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - QUOTING MYSELF: Rossi is also careless and he gets facts wrong. He does not care about details. He REALLY does not care about details, to an extent that most of us find pathological. Take his webpage. He has a board of advisors listed including a professor who does not exist and probably never did. I told him the guy does not exist then he said something like: Well the name is something like that. I don't recall. What difference does it make? He said the same thing with regard to his fake PhD from the diploma mill. He said: someone gave me that; I don't know anything about it. As if we were talking about a vase on the shelf. He really, truly, sincerely does not give a fart about public relations or the fact that his web site features absurd statements. . . . It isn't as if he is lazy. He works 14 hours a day and only eats one meal a day in order to have more time to work and think. . . . He is said to be a master manipulator of people and a superb confidence man. Where does anyone get that idea?!? I have never met someone who inspires less confidence! He makes legitimate businessman sweat in fear while they look for an excuse to bolt for the door. Krivit calls him strategic, articulate, charming. Good grief! What strategy?!? It looks like chaos to me, shifting from a deal with Defkalion one month to selling reactors the next. Articulate? He cannot express a simple, conventional technical concept without inducing confusion. Charming? He is one of the least charming people I have encountered. He is sweet at times, but he aggravates everyone I know -- especially his friends. . . . The ability to constantly shift your plans and change your mind is vital to the kind of intuitive, hands-on experimental work that Rossi does, or to an artist or fiction writer, but it makes interacting with other people awkward. . . . - Jed
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/snip/ If I were to call him ax murderer I suppose you would say I admire his dexterity with tools. /snip/ Brilliant!
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Poor Jed, you are destined to be labeled as a Rossi supporter because you see through the mist into the forest. You try to take an objective look at his ECAT and this is your reward. You will be proven correct. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 9:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: A real customer would not have accepted the 1MW plant. Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER said that he is a great businessman!!! Why do people keep putting these absurd statements into my mouth? I said the opposite many times. Okay, you wrote that he was an “experienced businessman”. Change nothing in yours and mines sentences. Below are a few things I said about Rossi on Nov. 4, and many times previously. I said he is sloppy and pathological. If you call this unstinting praise, or hero-worshiping, I would hate to see what you call an insult. If I were to call him ax murderer I suppose you would say I admire his dexterity with tools. What is it about Rossi? You are only allowed to attack him and say the worst of him. When you even suggest that the facts prove he is right, or that he is brilliant despite his human flaws, why do so many people think you are a patsy or a naive? Have you people never encountered a brilliant, creative person with a jarring personality? You should have met Arata or Steve Jobs. Arata has a stellar intellect. He has had an astounding life, with many times more important accomplishments than most people. He deserves the building they named in his honor, and the international award, and the dozens of other awards. He has a tremendous grasp of physics and chemistry. His students and coworkers are loyal to him for decades, so he must inspire deep appreciation at some level. People are many-sided after all. The thing is, in ordinary interactions, talking with members of the press, or in his right-wing political YouTube videos, Arata can be an obnoxious jerk. You can read about Jobs in several biographies. As he said toward the end of his life, living with me has not been a bowl of cherries. There is no doubt he was a brilliant businessman and he had a keen sense of design, and a sense of what can be done at the extreme edge of technology. Still, he was an obnoxious jerk. Manipulative, cruel, scheming . . . a terrible person in many ways. Rossi looks like a saint in comparison. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - QUOTING MYSELF: Rossi is also careless and he gets facts wrong. He does not care about details. He REALLY does not care about details, to an extent that most of us find pathological. Take his webpage. He has a board of advisors listed including a professor who does not exist and probably never did. I told him the guy does not exist then he said something like: Well the name is something like that. I don't recall. What difference does it make? He said the same thing with regard to his fake PhD from the diploma mill. He said: someone gave me that; I don't know anything about it. As if we were talking about a vase on the shelf. He really, truly, sincerely does not give a fart about public relations or the fact that his web site features absurd statements. . . . It isn't as if he is lazy. He works 14 hours a day and only eats one meal a day in order to have more time to work and think. . . . He is said to be a master manipulator of people and a superb confidence man. Where does anyone get that idea?!? I have never met someone who inspires less confidence! He makes legitimate businessman sweat in fear while they look for an excuse to bolt for the door. Krivit calls him strategic, articulate, charming. Good grief! What strategy?!? It looks like chaos to me, shifting from a deal with Defkalion one month to selling reactors the next. Articulate? He cannot express a simple, conventional technical concept without inducing confusion. Charming? He is one of the least charming people I have encountered. He is sweet at times, but he aggravates everyone I know -- especially his friends. . . . The ability to constantly shift your plans and change your mind is vital to the kind of intuitive, hands-on experimental work that Rossi does, or to an artist or fiction writer, but it makes interacting with other people awkward. . . . - Jed
