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The address of AmpEnergo (president: broker Karl Norwood) is already known: AmpenErgo Inc, 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Leonardo Corporation, 116 South River Road, Bedford, N.H. 03110 Leonardo Technologies, 116 South River RD, Bedford, NH 03110 Norwood Management Karl Norwood Inc, 116 South River RD, Bedford, New Hampshire 03110 NAI Norwood Group, Inc., 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik
Or this building is really big or their cubicles must be very crowded :) Do they take coffee break all togheter ? :) 2011/5/17 Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de The address of AmpEnergo (president: broker Karl Norwood) is already known: AmpenErgo Inc, 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Leonardo Corporation, 116 South River Road, Bedford, N.H. 03110 Leonardo Technologies, 116 South River RD, Bedford, NH 03110 Norwood Management Karl Norwood Inc, 116 South River RD, Bedford, New Hampshire 03110 NAI Norwood Group, Inc., 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
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A quich serch shows also they have the same phone number (+1 603 668 7000) A very busy switch board operator too :) 2011/5/18 Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com Or this building is really big or their cubicles must be very crowded :) Do they take coffee break all togheter ? :) 2011/5/17 Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de The address of AmpEnergo (president: broker Karl Norwood) is already known: AmpenErgo Inc, 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Leonardo Corporation, 116 South River Road, Bedford, N.H. 03110 Leonardo Technologies, 116 South River RD, Bedford, NH 03110 Norwood Management Karl Norwood Inc, 116 South River RD, Bedford, New Hampshire 03110 NAI Norwood Group, Inc., 116 South River Road, Bedford NH 03110 Angela -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
[Vo]:Rossi's U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik
See: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece
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Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:51:34 -0400 Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Betreff: [Vo]:Rossi\'s U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik See: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece citation: How much do you pay for the agreement? Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s confidential. Have you paid anything to Rossi yet? Cassarino: Yes we have. How much? Cassarino: Let’s put it like this, it was an important piece of the equation Cui bono? Rossi is paid. This explains much imho... -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
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Yes this was not all that mysterious, as I predicted over a month ago. It was discernible from the public record, if you dig deep enough (I did misspell it back then as 'Ampenerco', instead of 'Ampenergo' but the principal people involved were all known for some time. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44511.html . and this situation still reeks now as it did then - strong odor of insider information and inappropriate use of taxpayer funding and political connections. Another prediction: there could be an investigation at the highest levels, especially if this turn$ into a bonanza for a few well-placed DoE insiders and former officials - who may have used taxpayer funding to develop the device (off the books) lack of honest reporting, and privileged political connections to get into a supposedly free-market opportunity at a level denied to others. greed, greed, greed. is Gordon Gekko really correct that it 'greed is good'? Jones From: Jed Rothwell See: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece
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Regarding: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3179019.ece Excerpts: Do you have any doubt that this doesn’t work in the end? Cassarino: We did three demonstrations here in the US, and these were non public. We did have a group of scientists here that understood exactly what was going on, and we helped actually set up the demonstrations. Obviously we still don’t understand what’s going on inside, but he has something, and we believe that. ... Why have you kept silent? Cassarino: We wanted to make sure that everything was in place, that we weren’t just putting spins on things. Because this is huge and we don’t want to just go out there right now and tell the world. We want to be prepared for this. And strategically it’s really partnering with the right companies. You know it’s not just about money, it’s not just about technology, it’s not just about companies and their capacities, it’s try to understand how all those pieces fit together. Ok... Some have speculated that such talk is indicative of a pump dump operation. Or, perhaps, maybe they are doing exactly what they need to do in order to position themselves optimally in the market. In the end. Pick your poison. I wait for further developments. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: greed, greed, greed… is Gordon Gekko really correct that it ‘greed is good’? Hell, yes. I already bought ampenerego.us (someone beat me to com org etc); but, .biz is still available if you want it, Jones. eg T
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Jones Beene wrote: greed, greed, greed... is Gordon Gekko really correct that it 'greed is good'? If you are asking seriously, the answer is yes, of course greed is good. You can't have capitalism without it, and without capitalism wealth would hardly exist. Greed is good when it is harnessed and controlled by ethics, laws, and conscience. Greed as manifested by responsible people is good for society. Greed as manifested by the Mafia is bad. The foolish greed on Wall Street that led to Enron, and the investment shenanigans and bankrupted AIG and other major institutions in 2008, and the TARP bailout, is bad. Sometimes it is difficult for an outsider to know whether greed is doing a good job or a bad job. Overall it is good. Condemning greed because it sometimes gets out of hand, or it is sometimes unrestrained by morality, is like condemning sexuality because it sometimes leads to rape. - Jed
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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: greed, greed, greed… is Gordon Gekko really correct that it ‘greed is good’? Hell, yes. I already bought ampenerego.us (someone beat me to com org etc); but, .biz is still available if you want it, Jones. Ampenegro will be an excellent domain with which to catch typos.
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If you are asking seriously, the answer is yes, of course greed is good. In my opinion, this is not the main question. The question is: why does he want us to believe something else? He said several time, that he did not receive money so far, that he financed everything himself and that he wants to wait until november, lets say until a real commercial success in late 2011. He repeated it for the last time on april 18, after his agreement with Ampenergo. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
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Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote: In my opinion, this is not the main question. The question is: why does he [Rossi] want us to believe something else? He said several time, that he did not receive money so far, that he financed everything himself and that he wants to wait until november . . . He said that with regard to Defkalion in Greece, and I have heard that is the arrangement. He never said anything about the U.S. contract, as far as I know. He never said he would not be paid up front. He has never denied that he is motivated by money. On the contrary, he often says he *is* motivated by money, and he thinks that is a good thing. I agree. When people are motivated by other things, such as academic rivalry, that often causes problems. - Jed
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The original comment was not made clear enough, it seems - and it was not intended as criticism for Rossi. Greed is a perfectly acceptable motivation for an inventor. No problem there. However, the situation is far different when you are from top management of the Department of Energy, and have used taxpayer money and inside political connections for gain. This can happen in bid-free contracts and in many other ways involving lack of full disclosure. 'Greed' only works well for society, as a motivator, when there is a level playing field. In the case of inside connections, just as in the recent conviction of Rajaratnam for Wall Street cheating - greed tends to merge far closer to fraud than when it is motivation for a poor inventor in the private sector. I hope they throw the book at him and the other pigs responsible for the recent financial collapse. Jones -Original Message- From: Angela Kemmler If you are asking seriously, the answer is yes, of course greed is good. In my opinion, this is not the main question. The question is: why does he want us to believe something else? He said several time, that he did not receive money so far, that he financed everything himself and that he wants to wait until November, let's say until a real commercial success in late 2011. He repeated it for the last time on April 18, after his agreement with Ampenergo. --
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FWIW: As of Monday morning googling Ampenegro does not bring up any relevant links. The link to the State of Ohio certificate is interesting, however. Perhaps even promising. See: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3179056.ece/BINARY/Ampenergo+Certificate+of+Organization--.pdf Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Jones Beene wrote: However, the situation is far different when you are from top management of the Department of Energy, and have used taxpayer money and inside political connections for gain. . . . Sure. It that is what happened, it is another example of what we saw at Enron. Unethical and illegal behavior. Greed unrestrained by morality. My impression is that the 2008 market crash, AIG and so on was caused more by stupidity than illegal behavior, but I know little about it. Unfortunately, it is the way of the world that large, lucrative projects of this nature are often steeped in unethical greed. The Transcontinental Railroad was a classic example. It was a triumph of technology and spirit, paid for by Uncle Sam. The money was paid back, with interest, within a generation. Unfortunately it was also rife with corruption with huge sums being paid to members of Congress, or siphoned off into the pockets of insiders, in the Credit Mobilier scandal and others. - Jed
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Agree with Jones' statement that greed can be good for society when there's a level playing field, and I wouldn't doubt if that's part of the impetus for this quote: Without morality in our actions, there is no hope for mankind. A.Einstein Unfortunately, the motivation to gain some kind of advantage over competitors is quite strong, and without morality and integrity (and laws) to keep things in check, quickly degrades into what we see now-a-days (e.g., Madoff, Enron, insider trading, political 'favors', etc.). -Mark -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:36 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi's U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik [snip] 'Greed' only works well for society, as a motivator, when there is a level playing field. [snip Jones
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Will this event start a greed epidemics? Tens of teams working seriously for Ni-H LENR? The stampede predicted by Ed Storms? Will mainstream media write about this contract? Positively about Ni-H LENR? For the time given, no reaction at Google News or Bing News only Yahoo News gives one hit re Ny Teknik. Peter On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Agree with Jones' statement that greed can be good for society when there's a level playing field, and I wouldn't doubt if that's part of the impetus for this quote: Without morality in our actions, there is no hope for mankind. A.Einstein Unfortunately, the motivation to gain some kind of advantage over competitors is quite strong, and without morality and integrity (and laws) to keep things in check, quickly degrades into what we see now-a-days (e.g., Madoff, Enron, insider trading, political 'favors', etc.). -Mark -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:36 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi's U.S. partner revealed in NyTeknik [snip] 'Greed' only works well for society, as a motivator, when there is a level playing field. [snip Jones -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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I forgot: Google BLOG Search for Ampenergo gives 4 hits. I think these numbers will increase fast. When will New York Times, Wall Street Journal Washington Post and Christian Science Monitor write about AMPENERGO? I will try to convince one of my favorites, FastCompany to publish something. And now I will let Bob Park to know about the deal Peter On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I do not know whether these people have corrupt connections with government. I do not know what that is in reference to. I do not consider Rossi's previous research with thermoelectric chips to be in any way corrupt, or even unusual. That's a value judgement in which Beene and I cannot disagree more. Corrupt or not, I do know a few things about these people, and one is that they are not stupid. They are not gullible. I have heard they did test the machines carefully. More extensively than Levi or EK, needless to say. I have also heard they paid Rossi a lot of money. I do not know how much, and it is none of my business, but it is millions of dollars. He deserves every penny. So, if you are looking for more of what might be called legalistic, or circumstantial non-experimental proof that Rossi is no scammer, this is it. I myself prefer quantitative experimental evidence. You can be sure that people like this do not hand over millions of dollars without careful testing. Rossi's claims are not nebulous. They are not theory-based like Mills'. He says he inputs ~100 W and output ~10,000 W continuing for weeks. That isn't hard to verify. You can be darn sure these people did verify it. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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Peter Gluck wrote: And now I will let Bob Park to know about the deal I predict he will say nothing. I also predict there will be no mainstream mass media coverage. At this point, I do not think it matters. These events have become, in the jargon of cold fusion, a self-sustaining reaction. We don't need the mass media anymore. - Jed
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Bob will not answer now I think. But I also think that the mass media will embrace NI-H LENR, soon. Let's see. It matters for John Jane Doe who have problems with energy, lack of, price, scarry news from the ecologists, wars Fukushima etc. Peter On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Peter Gluck wrote: And now I will let Bob Park to know about the deal I predict he will say nothing. I also predict there will be no mainstream mass media coverage. At this point, I do not think it matters. These events have become, in the jargon of cold fusion, a self-sustaining reaction. We don't need the mass media anymore. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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When this deal was signed, to the best of my knowledge there was no intellectual property protection to protect the investments of the systems integrator. Is anyone at risk here in any way? On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know whether these people have corrupt connections with government. I do not know what that is in reference to. I do not consider Rossi's previous research with thermoelectric chips to be in any way corrupt, or even unusual. That's a value judgement in which Beene and I cannot disagree more. Corrupt or not, I do know a few things about these people, and one is that they are not stupid. They are not gullible. I have heard they did test the machines carefully. More extensively than Levi or EK, needless to say. I have also heard they paid Rossi a lot of money. I do not know how much, and it is none of my business, but it is millions of dollars. He deserves every penny. So, if you are looking for more of what might be called legalistic, or circumstantial non-experimental proof that Rossi is no scammer, this is it. I myself prefer quantitative experimental evidence. You can be sure that people like this do not hand over millions of dollars without careful testing. Rossi's claims are not nebulous. They are not theory-based like Mills'. He says he inputs ~100 W and output ~10,000 W continuing for weeks. That isn't hard to verify. You can be darn sure these people did verify it. - Jed
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Peter Gluck wrote: Bob will not answer now I think. But I also think that the mass media will embrace NI-H LENR, soon. Let's see. It matters for John Jane Doe who have problems with energy, lack of, price, scarry news from the ecologists, wars Fukushima etc. I do not think so. Again borrowing cold fusion jargon, the Coulomb barrier of disbelief is too high. Most people, and most mainstream reporters simply cannot believe it is true. It sounds too much like one of these energy scams or perpetual motion machine claims. They will say it is too good to be true. and extraordinary claims call for blah, blah blah. Fortunately, it no longer matters what they say. It no longer matters whether this is covered in the mass media or not. Frankly, mass media reports are usually so distorted, it is just as well they don't cover it. As I have often said, I do not think there is a conspiracy against cold fusion. Not in academia, and not in the mass media either. If there is a conspiracy they don't invite me to their meetings. Obviously, someone pulled strings to cancel the recent ACS proceedings, so there is surreptitious opposition. There are dirty tricks and stuff like that. But it isn't from a conspiracy, or powerful vested interests. Our problem is on display in Wikipedia: ignorance, irrational opposition, stupidity. The truth is drowned out by braying crowds of mindless anti-intellectual fools. That sort of thing has happened many times throughout history, and it is likely to happen in the future. It is our primate nature. People are marvelous creatures in many ways, noble in reasoning, infinite in faculty. But we are not evolved to be rational or to live in a world governed by ideas and facts, rather than direct exposure to natural forces. Most people are barely capable of living the way we do. Most people can no more think objectively than I can play the violin. We do our best. You have to cut us some slack. Things often end badly with wars or poverty or wonderful inventions lost. But sometimes things end well. Given all that we have accomplished despite our limitations, it is foolish to predict gloom and defeat. That is as foolish as Panglossian optimism. There is always hope. As Obama says, while we breathe, we hope. - Jed
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Axil Axil wrote: When this deal was signed, to the best of my knowledge there was no intellectual property protection to protect the investments of the systems integrator. I expect the investors took this into account. I suppose that in their judgment, robust intellectual property protection is likely to come. A business agreement is a private contract. It is not subject to the kinds of laws that are supposed to protect investors in public markets, or consumers buying goods in the store. Anyone can agree to pay anyone else any sum of money the parties agree to, no matter how high the risks may be. Is anyone at risk here in any way? There is more risk than you can imagine. On the other hand, the potential payoff is one of the largest in the history of business. - Jed
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As of 4:25 PM Monday Morning (Central Standard Time) googling Ampenergo is now beginning to point me to links that seem more relevant, such as: E-Cat World Getting Ready for the Rossi Energy Catalyzer - A Low Energy Nuclear Reactor http://www.e-catworld.com/tag/ampenergo/ May 16 2011 Interview with Energy Catalyzer Partner Ampenergo in the United States http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/05/interview-with-energy-catalyzers.html New Hampshire - Corporate Division Date 5/16/2011 File Documents ... https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?1114558 Is Storms' stampede preparing to exit the starting gate? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:57 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: The link to the State of Ohio certificate is interesting, however. Perhaps even promising.. Filed in 2009? T
