Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Albert Ellul November 29th, 2011 at 4:29 AM Dear Andrea, May I make one suggestion: Would it be possible to include a counter on you website showing the number of people that have confirmed the pre-order for the 10KW heater? Just thinking. Andrea Rossi November 29th, 2011 at 9:29 AM November 29th, 2011 at 9:29 AM Dear Albert Ellul: I prefer not, I want to analyze a neutral reaction of the public to make projections.This is a very important study, not just a collection of pre-orders. Warm Regards, AR
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Dear Albert Ellul: I prefer not, I want to analyze a neutral reaction of the public to make projections.*This is a very important study*, not just a collection of pre-orders. Warm Regards, AR Unbeknownst to the cold fusion enthusiasts, Rossi is really doing a phenomenological study on the perception and judgement of those who believe in in LENR. This explains everything about Rossi's behavior. AR is not really interested in proving that LENR works or taking a lot of money from his followers or believers, although it doesn't hurt that some cash rich corporation could pay or have paid him millions to do testing on his invention. He intently interacts and studies his audience mainly over the internet, primarily to elicit responses from them, and he tries to get his audience to make decisions based not entirely on science or facts, but rather on subjective experiences. This is the definition on phenomenology from the wiki: phenomenology thus attempts to create conditions for the objectivehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy) study of topics usually regarded as subjectivehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject_(philosophy): consciousness and the content of conscious experiences such as judgmentshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgments , perceptions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptions, and emotionshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotions . Why phenomenology you ask? Well, Rossi has done this before in 1973; his master's thesis: Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Relativity and its interrelationship with Edmund Husserlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Husserl ’s Phenomenology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy).
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
From Ahsoka, Unbeknownst to the cold fusion enthusiasts, Rossi is really doing a phenomenological study on the perception and judgement of those who believe in in LENR. ... Assuming you're serious, and that Rossi's entire eCat endeavor has been nothing more than a phenomenological study of judgment - simply to satisfy Rossi's intellectual curiosity... Boy! You've really got him by the short hairs now! I suggest you confront Rossi with your assessment of his assessment. Be sure to report back to us on your findings. OTOH, assuming you're not serious: Good job! Made me laugh! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Rossi wrote: Unit to conform to all USA, State and Local regulations Unit to conform to USA domestic insurance regulations (Tower Insurance) I do not think it will be possible to meet these two conditions in 2012 or 2013 either. The insurance regulators have never heard of this device. The insurance industry's Underwriters Laboratories (UL) has never heard of it. I do not think they can test a revolutionary device like this and certify it in a short amount of time. My guess is that the reality of regulations and conventional industry will soon catch up with Rossi. This will begin to happen as soon as important people realize his claims are true. I have been saying for some time that this device should be treated like any other technology, which means it has to be carefully tested and certified. Some people say that this will stymie the development of cold fusion. Perhaps it will, but I do not think people in the 21st century will allow things to proceed any other way. We have high standards for safety and reliability. Perhaps our standards are too high but that's how things are. Perhaps when important people realize this is real, Rossi will have an easier time securing a patent. That would benefit everyone. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
I got no reply from my Nov 22 submission. so I resent it (with a different email). Accepted : I'm officially on the 9,998-to-go list. (Me and Aussie Guy ... are you on both the 10K and the 110K list?)
[Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 * Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION . WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Just placed my order for 10 x 10 kW plants. Will install them, at no cost in my, by children and by friends homes. Rossi said in the radio interview that they had cleared the certification issues and they expected the 10 kW plants to be available in less than 12 months. With a price of $5,400 for a 10 kW thermal plant, this will really upset the market. That is $0.54 / Watt of heat. Assuming the 20 year life Rossi claimed in the interview, the simple LCOE is so small as to make the energy almost free at $0.003 / kWh. At 30% efficiency heat kW to Ac kW with 3 Ac kW output, the electricity price rises to $0.01 / kWh. Good bye grid. It all changes. AG On 11/22/2011 7:20 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 * Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION . WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Great! Excuse me, Aussie, how did you place such order? Did you write to the usual i...@leonardocorp1996.com, did you write as a comment JONP or how? Thanks On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Just placed my order for 10 x 10 kW plants. Will install them, at no cost in my, by children and by friends homes. Rossi said in the radio interview that they had cleared the certification issues and they expected the 10 kW plants to be available in less than 12 months. With a price of $5,400 for a 10 kW thermal plant, this will really upset the market. That is $0.54 / Watt of heat. Assuming the 20 year life Rossi claimed in the interview, the simple LCOE is so small as to make the energy almost free at $0.003 / kWh. At 30% efficiency heat kW to Ac kW with 3 Ac kW output, the electricity price rises to $0.01 / kWh. Good bye grid. It all changes. AG On 11/22/2011 7:20 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#** comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 * Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=510** cpage=34#comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION . WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Used the usual email. AG On 11/22/2011 8:54 PM, Marcello Vitale wrote: Great! Excuse me, Aussie, how did you place such order? Did you write to the usual i...@leonardocorp1996.com mailto:i...@leonardocorp1996.com, did you write as a comment JONP or how? Thanks On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Just placed my order for 10 x 10 kW plants. Will install them, at no cost in my, by children and by friends homes. Rossi said in the radio interview that they had cleared the certification issues and they expected the 10 kW plants to be available in less than 12 months. With a price of $5,400 for a 10 kW thermal plant, this will really upset the market. That is $0.54 / Watt of heat. Assuming the 20 year life Rossi claimed in the interview, the simple LCOE is so small as to make the energy almost free at $0.003 / kWh. At 30% efficiency heat kW to Ac kW with 3 Ac kW output, the electricity price rises to $0.01 / kWh. Good bye grid. It all changes. AG On 11/22/2011 7:20 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 * Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION . WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Wouldn't it be better to buy only 1 of 10kw? Smaller and much better to take measurements. Anyway, you'll only be able to buy it in 2012... 2011/11/22 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#** comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 * Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=510** cpage=34#comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION . WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Sorry, 2013 2011/11/22 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Wouldn't it be better to buy only 1 of 10kw? Smaller and much better to take measurements. Anyway, you'll only be able to buy it in 2012... 2011/11/22 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#** comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 * Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=510** cpage=34#comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION . WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
While it is almost certainly the case that by the time you take delivery in or about 2013, the most critical questions surrounding the E-Cat will have been answered, it is also almost certainly the case that Rossi will reach the 10,000 customer waiting list before those questions have been answered. That is his threshold for the requiring money. I don't see how Rossi can provide a customer-controlled pre-sale test for each of 10,000 customers. Therefore, he will be accepting money in advance of the most critical questions about the E-Cat being answered. How are you going to deal with this risk, Aussie Guy? On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Just placed my order for 10 x 10 kW plants. Will install them, at no cost in my, by children and by friends homes. Rossi said in the radio interview that they had cleared the certification issues and they expected the 10 kW plants to be available in less than 12 months. With a price of $5,400 for a 10 kW thermal plant, this will really upset the market. That is $0.54 / Watt of heat. Assuming the 20 year life Rossi claimed in the interview, the simple LCOE is so small as to make the energy almost free at $0.003 / kWh. At 30% efficiency heat kW to Ac kW with 3 Ac kW output, the electricity price rises to $0.01 / kWh. Good bye grid. It all changes. AG On 11/22/2011 7:20 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#** comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 * Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM http://www.journal-of-**nuclear-physics.com/?p=510** cpage=34#comment-126867http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION . WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Just placed my order for 10 x 10 kW plants. Have you received any acknowledgement of your order? Or in what order your order is in? What number in line you have? I would highly recommend you await Defkalion's announcement before sending any money to Andrea Rossi. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
At 12:50 AM 11/22/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=34#comment-126867 Dear Felipe From Chile: You are right, we are organizing this. BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT) I pre-ordered one unit : I hereby place a pre-order for Quantity 1 (ONE) 10kW Ecat, for delivery in California, USA. The installation will be in a residence in Lucerne, Lake County, CA 95458, USA ... copy of Rossi statement Conditions : Price : Not to Exceed 400 EURO/THERMAL KW Total Price including shipping and installation not to exceed $6,000, plus taxes. Total (thermal) power of at least 10 kW, with a COP of at least 6. Unit to conform to all USA, State and Local regulations Unit to conform to USA domestic insurance regulations (Tower Insurance) /s/ Alan J. Fletcher Fletcher Automation Research 80 Gilman Ave, Suite 2, Campbell, CA 95008, USA Phone : 408 871 7296 Fax : 506 692 1768
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
We have started a process to build trust and prove reliability. I suggest that by the time Rossi is asking for money, there will be more than ample proof. AG On 11/23/2011 1:07 AM, James Bowery wrote: How are you going to deal with this risk, Aussie Guy?
Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
My intent to order has been acknowledged. No number in the queue was given. I have more doubts about Defkalion than Rossi. AG On 11/23/2011 1:38 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Just placed my order for 10 x 10 kW plants. Have you received any acknowledgement of your order? Or in what order your order is in? What number in line you have? I would highly recommend you await Defkalion's announcement before sending any money to Andrea Rossi. T
