Re: [Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING

[Nigel Dyer]

It strikes me that this is essentially the mechanism that Neal Graneau 
proposed to be responsible for the arc-liberated emission of energy in 
papers such as


https://www.academia.edu/download/38880867/Graneau-e-a-Arc-liberated-chemical-energy-exceeds-electrical-input-energy-2000.pdf

However, I dont beleive there is a phase change in the water that could 
be associated with such an energy release., which is one of the reasons 
why I dont think Neal's hypothesis holds water,


Nigel

On 13/07/2019 17:14, H LV wrote:
The wikipedia page does not mention the complementary phenomena of 
decalescence.



Definition of /decalescence/

: the decrease in temperature when the rate of heat absorption during 
transformation exceeds the rate of heat input while heating metal 
through a transformation range


On Sat., Jul. 13, 2019, 11:14 a.m. bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
, > wrote:


*Recalescence* is an increase in temperature
 that occurs while
cooling metal  when a change
in structure with an increase in entropy
 occurs. The heat
 responsible for the change in
temperature is due to the change in entropy. When a structure
transformation occurs the Gibbs free energy
 of both
structures are more or less the same. Therefore the process will
be exothermic . The heat
provided is the latent heat
.

This concept described in Wikipedia seems like LENR to me.  It
involves the 2^nd law regarding an increase of entropy in a
coupled system as a result of as a result of a decrease of
potential energy and an increase of kinetic energy.

If the Sandia incident occurred during cooling while magnetization
was ongoing, this alone would deserved a paper IMHO.

However, Gibbs did not consider free energy associated with
nuclear structures as being important in his theory.

Note the BS associated with a constant Gibbs free energy (more or
less the same) in 2 different phases associated with

*Recalescence* .

Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING

[H LV]

The wikipedia page does not mention the complementary phenomena of
decalescence.

Definition of *decalescence*

: the decrease in temperature when the rate of heat absorption during
transformation exceeds the rate of heat input while heating metal through a
transformation range

On Sat., Jul. 13, 2019, 11:14 a.m. bobcook39...@hotmail.com, <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> *Recalescence* is an increase in temperature
>  that occurs while cooling
> metal  when a change in structure
> with an increase in entropy 
> occurs. The heat  responsible for the
> change in temperature is due to the change in entropy. When a structure
> transformation occurs the Gibbs free energy
>  of both structures are
> more or less the same. Therefore the process will be exothermic
> . The heat provided is the latent
> heat .
>
>
>
> This concept described in Wikipedia seems like LENR to me.  It involves
> the 2nd law regarding an increase of entropy in a coupled system as a
> result of as a result of a decrease of potential energy and an increase of
> kinetic energy.
>
>
>
> If the Sandia incident occurred during cooling while magnetization was
> ongoing, this alone would deserved a paper IMHO.
>
>
>
> However, Gibbs did not consider free energy associated with nuclear
> structures as being important in his theory.
>
>
>
> Note the BS associated with a constant Gibbs free energy (more or less the
> same) in 2 different phases associated with
>
> *Recalescence* .
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>

Re: [Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING

[H LV]

Here are three examples of recalescence.

At white hot temperature
https://youtu.be/5hDGYjfNGCA

Red hot temperature
https://youtu.be/33neAGXxZ94

A cooler example requiring a special thermal imaging camera
https://youtu.be/whHOK9pOTFg


If nuclei could somehow couple to the lattice, a nuclear recalescence could
last a very long time.

Harry
On Sat., Jul. 13, 2019, 9:44 a.m. JonesBeene,  wrote:

> *From: *bobcook39...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>- In the 1960’s there was reported to be a rapid heating of large
>steel block Sandia was trying to magnetize.  The block turned white hot in
>an instant, but did not melt.  The research went dark.  I can not find a
>reference to that work to this day…It may have been a resonant coupling of
>magnetic spin energy with the lattice.  (Also it may have been rapid
>reaction of hydrogen in the lattice with iron.)  Either way there should be
>a report.
>
>
>
> This sounds like a form of “recalescence” which is a type of strongly
> energetic phase-change. A lack of a report could be simply to avoid
> liability should there have been an injury. That was typical even at the
> big labs fifty years ago.
>
>
>
> Significant heat transfer can occur inadvertently during the
> heating/cooling cycle of iron (iron in particular and other metals as
> well). Many horrible accidents in steel mills have been attributed to this
> type of phase change  since it is not fully understood.
>
>
>
> The dynamics of recalescence result in a  surprisingly robust and sudden
>  temperature surge  during cooling - and even a “remelt” without additional
> heat -  which is the extreme case since the molten steel can  explode. It
> has been called a type of “cyrstalization heat” which can be  tied to
> graphite content, but the thermodynamics of it are not completely
> understood.
>
>
>
> I doubt if there a conspiracy of silence at Sandia at least not in regard
> to this effect, although apparently it depends on the exact amount of
> carbon and the type of carbon in the iron which is seldom known with enough
> precision to avoid it. For instance, it could be possible for 2.1%
> graphitic iron to strongly reheat but 2.2% to behave normally.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING

[Brian Ahern]

It is also known as KINETIC UNDER COOLING.


From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 9:44 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>



  *   In the 1960’s there was reported to be a rapid heating of large steel 
block Sandia was trying to magnetize.  The block turned white hot in an 
instant, but did not melt.  The research went dark.  I can not find a reference 
to that work to this day…It may have been a resonant coupling of magnetic spin 
energy with the lattice.  (Also it may have been rapid reaction of hydrogen in 
the lattice with iron.)  Either way there should be a report.



This sounds like a form of “recalescence” which is a type of strongly energetic 
phase-change. A lack of a report could be simply to avoid liability should 
there have been an injury. That was typical even at the big labs fifty years 
ago.



Significant heat transfer can occur inadvertently during the heating/cooling 
cycle of iron (iron in particular and other metals as well). Many horrible 
accidents in steel mills have been attributed to this type of phase change  
since it is not fully understood.



The dynamics of recalescence result in a  surprisingly robust and sudden  
temperature surge  during cooling - and even a “remelt” without additional heat 
-  which is the extreme case since the molten steel can  explode. It has been 
called a type of “cyrstalization heat” which can be  tied to graphite content, 
but the thermodynamics of it are not completely understood.



I doubt if there a conspiracy of silence at Sandia at least not in regard to 
this effect, although apparently it depends on the exact amount of carbon and 
the type of carbon in the iron which is seldom known with enough precision to 
avoid it. For instance, it could be possible for 2.1% graphitic iron to 
strongly reheat but 2.2% to behave normally.

[Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Recalescence is an increase in 
temperature that occurs while 
cooling metal when a change in structure 
with an increase in entropy occurs. The 
heat responsible for the change in 
temperature is due to the change in entropy. When a structure transformation 
occurs the Gibbs free energy 
of both structures are more or less the same. Therefore the process will be 
exothermic. The heat provided is the 
latent heat.

This concept described in Wikipedia seems like LENR to me.  It involves the 2nd 
law regarding an increase of entropy in a coupled system as a result of as a 
result of a decrease of potential energy and an increase of kinetic energy.

If the Sandia incident occurred during cooling while magnetization was ongoing, 
this alone would deserved a paper IMHO.

However, Gibbs did not consider free energy associated with nuclear structures 
as being important in his theory.

Note the BS associated with a constant Gibbs free energy (more or less the 
same) in 2 different phases associated with
Recalescence .

Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING

[JonesBeene]

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com

➢ In the 1960’s there was reported to be a rapid heating of large steel block 
Sandia was trying to magnetize.  The block turned white hot in an instant, but 
did not melt.  The research went dark.  I can not find a reference to that work 
to this day…It may have been a resonant coupling of magnetic spin energy with 
the lattice.  (Also it may have been rapid reaction of hydrogen in the lattice 
with iron.)  Either way there should be a report.

This sounds like a form of “recalescence” which is a type of strongly energetic 
phase-change. A lack of a report could be simply to avoid liability should 
there have been an injury. That was typical even at the big labs fifty years 
ago.

Significant heat transfer can occur inadvertently during the heating/cooling 
cycle of iron (iron in particular and other metals as well). Many horrible 
accidents in steel mills have been attributed to this type of phase change  
since it is not fully understood. 

The dynamics of recalescence result in a  surprisingly robust and sudden  
temperature surge  during cooling - and even a “remelt” without additional heat 
-  which is the extreme case since the molten steel can  explode. It has been 
called a type of “cyrstalization heat” which can be  tied to graphite content, 
but the thermodynamics of it are not completely understood.

I doubt if there a conspiracy of silence at Sandia at least not in regard to 
this effect, although apparently it depends on the exact amount of carbon and 
the type of carbon in the iron which is seldom known with enough precision to 
avoid it. For instance, it could be possible for 2.1% graphitic iron to 
strongly reheat but 2.2% to behave normally.

[Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

See the following item:

“Massively parallel symplectic algorithm for coupled magnetic spin dynamics and
molecular dynamics” pdf document at:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp=lmwnXfmGLYSH0wK8yaTwBg=Massively+parallel+symplectic+algorithm+for+coupled+magnetic+spin+dynamics+and+molecular+dynamics=Massively+parallel+symplectic+algorithm+for+coupled+magnetic+spin+dynamics+and+molecular+dynamics_l=psy-ab.3..0.8551.8551..12145...0.0..0.647.647.5-1..02j1..gws-wiz.0.tZssgBTV8MM

There probably is an extension of the theory to nuclear spin coupling to 
lattice spin, buy it is in the dark literature from Sandia.

In the 1960’s there was reported to be a rapid heating of large steel block 
Sandia was trying to magnetize.  The block turned white hot in an instant, but 
did not melt.  The research went dark.  I can not find a reference to that work 
to this day.

It may have been a resonant coupling of magnetic spin energy with the lattice.  
(Also it may have been rapid reaction of hydrogen in the lattice with iron.)  
Either way there should be a rtreport.

Bob Cook