[Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy
In a thread that has become unwieldy, Jeff Sutton wrote: But the only way to think that his process makes any business-first approach is that he has still something to hide. It could be he is missing something to do with control of the reaction, or he has no new art for his patent; someone else has beaten him to it. He says he has something to hide. He says his patent only applies to Italy. If he had viable patent protection everywhere then he would have nothing left to hid. A patent is only valid if it reveals everything about the discovery. Think if everything was normal. Ross could arrange an independent demo(s) in front of reputable persons. From that he could explain what he does in a patent application and it would be granted. He would win the Nobel price and untold fortune. Several people have suggested he try this approach. I do not think he trusts people enough to do this. He thinks he he would reveal the information to experts in they would steal it from him. He might be right about that. He has had many bad experiences in the past. The thing is, at some point you have to start trusting people. You cannot run a business like a castle with a moat around it filled with alligators. You have to welcome customers. You have to give a good impression with skilled public relations. He reminds me a great deal of John Harrison, the discoverer of the chronometer. Harrison had a difficult life. He was an outsider, was an uneven education who had trouble communicating. He should have won the equivalent of the Nobel Prize for solving the longitude problem, but he was ridiculed, beat-up and betrayed by the scientific establishment over and over. This resulted in decades of delay introducing the technology. That was a tragedy because the chronometer improved navigation and saved thousands of lives and millions of pounds. Harrison's friends revealed some of his technical secrets in a effort to help him win the prize. Many years later he still resented them. When the king and many scientific officials finally agreed that he should be given a large sum of money he refused to cooperate. Lord Egmont, head of the Board of Longitude, scolded him: Sir . . . you are the strangest and most obstinate creature that I have ever met with, and, would you do what we want you to do, and which is in your power, I will give you my word to give you the money, if you will but do it! See the book Longitude by Dava Sobel. His current approach seems silly and I dont think he is a silly man. It seems desperate to me. I get a sense he is floundering around going from one failed business arrangement to the next. I do not know whether his falling out with Defkalion was his fault, their fault or some combination of the two, but a skilled businessman would try to avoid that outcome in the first place. A precipitate withdrawal from a contract at a critical phase in the development is a sign of management chaos. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy
Good points. History is littered with examples of this type of tragedy unfolding. Maybe before this chapter is finished and lost, our hero will change the plot, avoid ruin, and we will all live happily ever after. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: In a thread that has become unwieldy, Jeff Sutton wrote: But the only way to think that his process makes any business-first approach is that he has still something to hide. It could be he is missing something to do with control of the reaction, or he has no new art for his patent; someone else has beaten him to it. He says he has something to hide. He says his patent only applies to Italy. If he had viable patent protection everywhere then he would have nothing left to hid. A patent is only valid if it reveals everything about the discovery. Think if everything was normal. Ross could arrange an independent demo(s) in front of reputable persons. From that he could explain what he does in a patent application and it would be granted. He would win the Nobel price and untold fortune. Several people have suggested he try this approach. I do not think he trusts people enough to do this. He thinks he he would reveal the information to experts in they would steal it from him. He might be right about that. He has had many bad experiences in the past. The thing is, at some point you have to start trusting people. You cannot run a business like a castle with a moat around it filled with alligators. You have to welcome customers. You have to give a good impression with skilled public relations. He reminds me a great deal of John Harrison, the discoverer of the chronometer. Harrison had a difficult life. He was an outsider, was an uneven education who had trouble communicating. He should have won the equivalent of the Nobel Prize for solving the longitude problem, but he was ridiculed, beat-up and betrayed by the scientific establishment over and over. This resulted in decades of delay introducing the technology. That was a tragedy because the chronometer improved navigation and saved thousands of lives and millions of pounds. Harrison's friends revealed some of his technical secrets in a effort to help him win the prize. Many years later he still resented them. When the king and many scientific officials finally agreed that he should be given a large sum of money he refused to cooperate. Lord Egmont, head of the Board of Longitude, scolded him: Sir . . . you are the strangest and most obstinate creature that I have ever met with, and, would you do what we want you to do, and which is in your power, I will give you my word to give you the money, if you will but do it! See the book Longitude by Dava Sobel. His current approach seems silly and I dont think he is a silly man. It seems desperate to me. I get a sense he is floundering around going from one failed business arrangement to the next. I do not know whether his falling out with Defkalion was his fault, their fault or some combination of the two, but a skilled businessman would try to avoid that outcome in the first place. A precipitate withdrawal from a contract at a critical phase in the development is a sign of management chaos. - Jed
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In Rossis age I too would not want a Nobel price. Its not very much you get and for this you must travel around in the world, give boring interviews and so on. Better get some millions and become old in happiness and peace stay healthy and play piano, or tennis ;-) Am 10.11.2011 15:42, schrieb Jed Rothwell: In a thread that has become unwieldy, Jeff Sutton wrote: But the only way to think that his process makes any business-first approach is that he has still something to hide. It could be he is missing something to do with control of the reaction, or he has no new art for his patent; someone else has beaten him to it.
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Oh I think he craves attention and recognition. Thus his web site and the time he spends answering questionsor at least responding to them. (And I hope this works out and he gets a nobel prize, attention, money and tennis. I guess I am an optimist but verify :) On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote: In Rossis age I too would not want a Nobel price. Its not very much you get and for this you must travel around in the world, give boring interviews and so on. Better get some millions and become old in happiness and peace stay healthy and play piano, or tennis ;-) Am 10.11.2011 15:42, schrieb Jed Rothwell: In a thread that has become unwieldy, Jeff Sutton wrote: But the only way to think that his process makes any business-first approach is that he has still something to hide. It could be he is missing something to do with control of the reaction, or he has no new art for his patent; someone else has beaten him to it.
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Am 10.11.2011 17:43, schrieb Jeff Sutton: Oh I think he craves attention and recognition. Thus his web site and the time he spends answering questionsor at least responding to them. You can see from his answers, he does not crave for recognition of others. His answers are absolutely authoritative and he has no need to answer it is only pure generousity why he does this, dedicating his invaluable time to answer all these naive questions. (And I hope this works out and he gets a nobel prize, attention, money and tennis. I guess I am an optimist but verify :) I dont think he is dependant from prices given from corrupt mainstream scientists. He is more the type who would make his own Rossi foundation and give a Rossi-Price to other LENR researchers, he can now do this.
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My interpretation of his motive is that even with his secret discovery the underlying mechanism still remains a mystery. This is reflected in his journal of physics which gathers ideas and comments from around the world and also his arrangement with the University of Bologna, He seems a man who is desperate for answers. He wants to leverage his engineering head start into a winner take all scenario by using his profits to purchase the answers he still needs to garner a patent. His progress is putting unbelievable pressure on all the other researchers to stake their claims. Recent gains by Miley and Piantelli make it clear this race isn't over Fran -Original Message- From: Peter Heckert [mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy Am 10.11.2011 17:43, schrieb Jeff Sutton: Oh I think he craves attention and recognition. Thus his web site and the time he spends answering questionsor at least responding to them. You can see from his answers, he does not crave for recognition of others. His answers are absolutely authoritative and he has no need to answer it is only pure generousity why he does this, dedicating his invaluable time to answer all these naive questions. (And I hope this works out and he gets a nobel prize, attention, money and tennis. I guess I am an optimist but verify :) I dont think he is dependant from prices given from corrupt mainstream scientists. He is more the type who would make his own Rossi foundation and give a Rossi-Price to other LENR researchers, he can now do this.
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Am 10.11.2011 21:00, schrieb Roarty, Francis X: His progress is putting unbelievable pressure on all the other researchers to stake their claims. Recent gains by Miley and Piantelli make it clear this race isn't over Yes, Piantelli's attorney says Rossi is using his patents and Rossi works together with Focardi. This brings Piantelli and Krivit into a difficult situation. Their seriousity and credibility of earlier research will be measured from Rossis honesty and acceptance. I think Miley should think twice before he refers to Rossi. He should better himself do a convincing public (peer to peer) demo. Still waiting. Peter
