Re: [Vo]:air turbine
I like this quote from the airturbineengine page: The air we breathe is the same air that drives the AATE; no wind required. This is not a perpetual motion machine. It runs forever with no fuel or energy input, using air but without requiring wind (or, by implication, a temperature differential) but it's not a perpetual motion machine. And the difference is what, exactly...? Sure, sure, everybody knows perpmo is impossible, and this is anything but that, so it can't be a perpmo machine. Ho, hum. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting R C Macaulay Howdy Thomas, Notice the Rockwell turbine company is registered in Las Vegas, Nevada. I haven't been able to sell a single share of their stock to the drunks at the Dime Box Saloon, Vortexians; For Leaking Pen, and anyone else who missed it. I sent the following to Hal Puthoff. I assume that you've heard of Viktor Schauberger and his Respine. These people claim to have replicated it http://www.airturbineengine.com/ . Hum, I assume from the tone of your message that you don't think their air turbine will work. Their plan is to have it independentaly verified. In general when someone builds a motor -- which supposedly works -- and then they say they're going to have someone independently verify it, you should be on your guard. If it works, what's to verify? Build it, sell it, put it in your car, hook it to a generator and heat your house with it. Close the loop and invite a few friends over to look for the trick, let them go talk about it to their friends. (We're all within six friends of each other, so word gets around fast.) If you don't think there's a market for emergency generators which don't require keeping 500 gallons of gasoline on the premises to actually be of any value, you haven't looked around much -- and you wouldn't need to sell many of the things to start ramping up your business. Lots of mo-gens are installed by handyman-type guys, independent operators, and do-it-yourselfers, any of whom might be willing to have a go at something like this. Hey, sell kits! If it works (big if) there is a market for it, no independent verification required. On the other hand, if it doesn't work, then an independent verification is a great opportunity to exercise lots of cleverness and fool one observer into thinking they saw something they didn't see. Oh, look, the Statue of Liberty really did vanish! There were witnesses, that proves it. And once you've had it verified you can suck in investors, who will be happy to give you money in exchange for nothing more than little pieces of paper. This is in sharp contrast to the do-it-yourself mo-gen market, where if someone gives you money, you have to give them a functional hunk of hardware in exchange.
Re: [Vo]:air turbine
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:47:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] I like this quote from the airturbineengine page: The air we breathe is the same air that drives the AATE; no wind required. This is not a perpetual motion machine. It runs forever with no fuel or energy input, using air but without requiring wind (or, by implication, a temperature differential) but it's not a perpetual motion machine. And the difference is what, exactly...? Sure, sure, everybody knows perpmo is impossible, and this is anything but that, so it can't be a perpmo machine. Ho, hum. [snip] That's what I initially thought too, however it wouldn't be a perpmo machine if it obtained energy from the air. That is available in two (possibly 3) forms:- 1) thermal energy 2) nuclear energy (fusion) 3) Hydrino energy (from the Hydrogen in water vapour) The second (and possibly the third) would likely produce ionizing radiation sufficient to fog a photographic plate. Another possibility is that it taps into the energy available in the lower van Allen belt (cyclotron radiation) at about 200-300 Hz = 12000-18000 rpm. Rotating at around 3 rpm it could be on a second or third harmonic (due to the extent of the belt, and the variation in strength of the Earth's magnetic field, the frequency is somewhat spread). Air passing through the device could leave internal components with a static charge, and this rotating static charge could synchronize with rotating charge in the belt. (See work previously reported in the press and discussed on this list regarding wireless resonant transmission of power). 200-300 Hz has a wavelength of 1500-1000 km which puts at least part of the lower belt within a single wavelength, which in turn meets the requirement for resonant transmission. (The lower belt is the one where the protons are trapped, and it's the protons that carry the lions share of the kinetic energy available from the solar wind). If this is how it works, it would certainly be able to at least meet all our transportation energy requirements, and the power density could probably be improved upon by deliberately increasing the static charge. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:air turbine
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:49:17 -0500 (CDT): Hi, [snip] Hum, I assume from the tone of your message that you don't think their air turbine will work. Their plan is to have it independentaly verified. I'd like to see it heat water. [snip] I would be happy with accurate frequency x torque measurements combined with temperature, pressure and volume measurements of in and out flowing air. I would also like to know if the humidity of the air passing through it makes a difference. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Vo]:air turbine
Vortexians; For Leaking Pen, and anyone else who missed it. I sent the following to Hal Puthoff. I assume that you've heard of Viktor Schauberger and his Respine. These people claim to have replicated it http://www.airturbineengine.com/ . I'd sure like to witness it's operation. My nephew laughed at their claims, and by extension me, for believing in the veracity of their claims. After all, any engineer knows that this is impossible. I have previously mentioned Otto Schmitt's test for energy production, heating water. I'll keep you posted. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:air turbine
Howdy Thomas, Notice the Rockwell turbine company is registered in Las Vegas, Nevada. I haven't been able to sell a single share of their stock to the drunks at the Dime Box Saloon, I got an inside man at Goldie Socks that claims the stock will skyrocket as soon as they get the check in for 880 bil from uncle sugar. The straight skinny coming from hank the swank paulsie is the check is in the mail. Down here in Texas it's got so bad that people turn up their noses at the saloon's free lunch of possum and sweet potatos. The bank robbers call in robberies on their cell phones and have Fed Ex pick up the package, the politicians are actually starting to believe what they say, and the illegals are hitchhiking to Mexico to find jobs. I can't stand too much more of this prosperity so send me some bad news quick. Richard - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: [Vo]:air turbine Vortexians; For Leaking Pen, and anyone else who missed it. I sent the following to Hal Puthoff. I assume that you've heard of Viktor Schauberger and his Respine. These people claim to have replicated it http://www.airturbineengine.com/ . I'd sure like to witness it's operation. My nephew laughed at their claims, and by extension me, for believing in the veracity of their claims. After all, any engineer knows that this is impossible. I have previously mentioned Otto Schmitt's test for energy production, heating water. I'll keep you posted. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM
Re: [Vo]:air turbine
Quoting R C Macaulay Howdy Thomas, Notice the Rockwell turbine company is registered in Las Vegas, Nevada. I haven't been able to sell a single share of their stock to the drunks at the Dime Box Saloon, Vortexians; For Leaking Pen, and anyone else who missed it. I sent the following to Hal Puthoff. I assume that you've heard of Viktor Schauberger and his Respine. These people claim to have replicated it http://www.airturbineengine.com/ . Hum, I assume from the tone of your message that you don't think their air turbine will work. Their plan is to have it independentaly verified. I'd like to see it heat water. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
