Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[ROGER ANDERTON]

This BMJ reportTrends in suicide during the covid-19 pandemic
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352


wonders if sucides will increase; they haven't got the data yet.


-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 19:38
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last


No, but this is getting hypothetical.
Are more people committing suicide?


My point is rightly or wrongly some people's worries and needs will be 
elevated at the expense other people's worries and needs.



Harry




On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:24 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
 wrote:


so, people who commit suicide are unimportant and don't count (?)

-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> >
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 17:42
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

The lives that matter the least become apparent whenever the group is 
threatened.



Harry


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:13 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > 
wrote:


Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of depression brought 
on by lockdown, are they going to count that as death due to covid as 
well?


-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> >
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

The way covid is being managed is causing other health problems.

It is not as if we were all invincible superman until covid came along.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Michael Foster]

 This discussion leads us nowhere. You are apparently willing to believe that 
CDC "hardworking scientists" are not lying and misleading us by giving us 
manipulated data. You have apparently forgotten that the director of the CDC 
was forced to make a public apology for lying about AIDS data. His excuse, you 
may recall, was that they "did it in a good cause". 

This is frankly enough to make anyone disbelieve anything they say. The worst 
part is that this director was not fired, demoted, fined, nor did he suffer any 
negative consequences for this inexcusable betrayal of public trust. Nor did 
anyone of the "hardworking scientists" suffer the slightest punishment. I'll 
say it again. These people are corrupt to the nines. All the people who did 
this and said nothing about it are still there, unless they have retired by 
now. And I am certain that they are doing all sorts of things "in a good 
cause", including manipulating covid data. 

And you make my point. The rate of infection of covid is unknown and perhaps 
unknowable. For all we know, the infection rate is 100%, which would make the 
fatality rate low indeed. All of the lockdowns and mask wearing have proven to 
be utterly ineffective. Places where the most draconian restrictions have been 
enforced have had surges of infection similar to places where restrictions have 
been relatively relaxed. We keep schools closed in the U.S. even though places 
where schools have been re-opened have shown no particular covid spread. 

You should read the Prescription Drug User Fee Act, whereupon Big Pharma pays 
fees to the FDA, enabling them to put on more (corrupt) employees, so they can 
get their drugs approved on their own schedule. I'd call that paying FDA 
employees by Big Pharma. Maybe that's just me. The fact that such workers are 
not paid directly is merely a technicality, isn't it?

This is not really a forum for this subject, so why don't we just agree to 
disagree. 

We can agree that the vaccines are a good thing, but for different reasons.

 On Saturday, November 21, 2020, 04:17:52 PM GMT+1, Jed Rothwell 
 wrote:  
 
 Michael Foster  wrote:


 Yes, you are correct about the 6% figure. They merely stated that 6% of cases 
that listed covid19 as the sole cause of death failed to list the 
co-morbidities.

Correct. COVID-19 itself does not kill patients directly as often as it leaves 
them open to secondary infections and things like that.


But you have fallen into the trap of the CDC's tricky manipulation of data. 
There have been up to 80,000 deaths per year supposedly caused by influenza 
(which strains?). The CDC then gives the mortality rate based upon an 
*estimated* number of infections. In other words, any number they want to make 
up.

No, they do not make up these numbers. The numbers are based on clinical data 
from doctors and hospitals, and field studies. They are estimated because 
ordinary influenza is not on the list of diseases that doctors must report. 
Some forms of influenza have to be reported but not others. See:
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001929.htm
 

 They then state the mortality rate among *known* covid infections.

That is the only thing they can do. There are no other reliable numbers at 
present. There will be more data after widespread antibody tests can be 
performed. In any case, we know that COVID-19 kills at least 10 times more 
people than influenza in a typical year. Influenza typically kills around 
30,000, although some years a dangerous strain will kill many more. We know 
that COVID-19 has only infected a small fraction of the population, because 
people have taken precautions such as wearing masks, whereas influenza infects 
a much larger fraction. If COVID-19 were to spread as widely as influenza 
usually does, it would kill ~40 times more people than influenza. It would also 
disable many people for life with permanent lung damage, strokes, heart 
problems, amputations and so on. Influenza seldom does that. So it is far more 
lethal and serious.
 
 These people at the CDC, the NIH and the FDA are corrupt to the nines.

Not the ones I know. They are hardworking scientists. I think you should not 
generalize about people you know nothing about. 

 In the FDA, and I know this is hard to believe, many of the employees' 
salaries are actually paid by pharmaceutical companies.

That would be against Federal law. I know several people who work or worked for 
Uncle Sam, such as my late mother. They cannot accept so much as a ham sandwich 
from anyone. Where did you read that? Be careful what you believe.
  

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

50% increase of Children in hospital emergency clinics due to 
psychological environment impact! (Not directly from Cov-19 from missing 
school parents etc..)


German link

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/belastende-coronakrise-auffallend-mehr-notfaelle-in-kinder-und-jugendpsychiatrien


J.W.


On 21.11.2020 20:38, H LV wrote:

No, but this is getting hypothetical.
Are more people committing suicide?

My point is rightly or wrongly some people's worries and needs will be 
elevated at the expense other people's worries and needs.


Harry


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:24 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
 wrote:


so, people who commit suicide are unimportant and don't count (?)

-- Original Message -- From: "H LV"
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> To:
vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent:
Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 17:42 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news
about the pandemic at last
The lives that matter the least become apparent whenever the
group is threatened.
Harry
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:13 PM ROGER ANDERTON
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>>
wrote:

Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of
depression brought on by lockdown, are they going to count
that as death due to covid as well?

-- Original Message -- From: "H LV"
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58 Subject: Re:
[Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last
The way covid is being managed is causing other health
problems.
It is not as if we were all invincible superman until
covid came along.
Harry


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

In Japan the suicide rate is up 80% among woman.

far more deaths by suicide than from Covid-19...


3/4 of all deaths in the USA were forced by the Free masons/rotary 
pharma mafia that orchestrated the suppression of working  medication. 
May be Biden will support Den Haag again (not a real hope). Time to 
bring some Gilead manager in the court/jail.



J.W.


On 21.11.2020 20:38, H LV wrote:

No, but this is getting hypothetical.
Are more people committing suicide?

My point is rightly or wrongly some people's worries and needs will be 
elevated at the expense other people's worries and needs.


Harry


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:24 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
 wrote:


so, people who commit suicide are unimportant and don't count (?)

-- Original Message -- From: "H LV"
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> To:
vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent:
Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 17:42 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news
about the pandemic at last
The lives that matter the least become apparent whenever the
group is threatened.
Harry
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:13 PM ROGER ANDERTON
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com>>
wrote:

Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of
depression brought on by lockdown, are they going to count
that as death due to covid as well?

-- Original Message -- From: "H LV"
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58 Subject: Re:
[Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last
The way covid is being managed is causing other health
problems.
It is not as if we were all invincible superman until
covid came along.
Harry


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[H LV]

No, but this is getting hypothetical.
Are more people committing suicide?

My point is rightly or wrongly some people's worries and needs will be
elevated at the expense other people's worries and needs.

Harry


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:24 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
wrote:

> so, people who commit suicide are unimportant and don't count (?)
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "H LV" 
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 17:42
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last
>
> The lives that matter the least become apparent whenever the group is
> threatened.
>
> Harry
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:13 PM ROGER ANDERTON <
> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of depression brought
>> on by lockdown, are they going to count that as death due to covid as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message ------
>> From: "H LV" 
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last
>>
>> The way covid is being managed is causing other health problems.
>>
>> It is not as if we were all invincible superman until covid came along.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[ROGER ANDERTON]

so, people who commit suicide are unimportant and don't count (?)

-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 17:42
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

The lives that matter the least become apparent whenever the group is 
threatened.



Harry


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:13 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > 
wrote:


Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of depression brought 
on by lockdown, are they going to count that as death due to covid as 
well?


-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> >
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

The way covid is being managed is causing other health problems.

It is not as if we were all invincible superman until covid came along.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

We (Switzerland) recently had the most brutal increase in cases world 
wide, what would be 400'000/day compared to USA (or even >1'200'000 in 
strongly affected small parts) . We "slightly" tightened the rules of 
interaction as all schools for people over 18 are again online only. But 
all restaurants (not all bars,clubs only the one that can work with 
reduced numbers of guests) are open also gyms etc.. Only sports with 
close contacts are forbidden. People are asked to do home work as often 
as possible.


Our Government today just said: We can live with it. We know that a 
larger, than usual, fraction of old/very old people will die but that's 
the price. 97.5% of the people that die are older than 65!


A shut-down is no help as you have to redo it every 2-3 month. We call 
this the Yo-Yo effect.


The total ICU usage went up to 78% (only about 1/3 from CoV-19) and now 
(at 77%) is stable.



You can bet that our economy will only get a small bump compared with 
all others and people are treated as humans that need sport, a dine with 
a friend etc..



But this is Switzerland others have to find their own rules!


As also some small places (counties) inside Switzerland did find their 
own - stronger -  rules, but not country wide.



J.W.


On 21.11.2020 18:13, ROGER ANDERTON wrote:
Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of depression 
brought on by lockdown, are they going to count that as death due to 
covid as well?


-- Original Message -- From: "H LV" 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58
    Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last
The way covid is being managed is causing other health problems.
It is not as if we were all invincible superman until covid came
along.
Harry


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[H LV]

The lives that matter the least become apparent whenever the group is
threatened.

Harry

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 12:13 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
wrote:

> Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of depression brought
> on by lockdown, are they going to count that as death due to covid as well?
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "H LV" 
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last
>
> The way covid is being managed is causing other health problems.
>
> It is not as if we were all invincible superman until covid came along.
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[ROGER ANDERTON]

Exactly, so if say the sucide rate goes up because of depression brought 
on by lockdown, are they going to count that as death due to covid as 
well?


-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, 21 Nov, 20 At 16:58
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

The way covid is being managed is causing other health problems.

It is not as if we were all invincible superman until covid came along.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[H LV]

The way covid is being managed is causing other health problems.

It is not as if we were all invincible superman until covid came along.

Harry



>

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Lennart Thornros]

Yes Jed I understand your philosophy.
The government does things and they do right.
Inventions, medicine or . . . Doesn't matter you just have that mindset
nothing much to do about.
IMHO there is room for other sometimes opposite opinions.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 11:17 Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Michael Foster  wrote:
>
> Yes, you are correct about the 6% figure. They merely stated that 6% of
>> cases that listed covid19 as the sole cause of death failed to list the
>> co-morbidities.
>>
>
> Correct. COVID-19 itself does not kill patients directly as often as it
> leaves them open to secondary infections and things like that.
>
>
> But you have fallen into the trap of the CDC's tricky manipulation of
>> data. There have been up to 80,000 deaths per year supposedly caused by
>> influenza (which strains?). The CDC then gives the mortality rate based
>> upon an *estimated* number of infections. In other words, any number they
>> want to make up.
>>
>
> No, they do not make up these numbers. The numbers are based on clinical
> data from doctors and hospitals, and field studies. They are estimated
> because ordinary influenza is not on the list of diseases that doctors must
> report. Some forms of influenza have to be reported but not others. See:
>
> https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001929.htm
>
>
> They then state the mortality rate among *known* covid infections.
>>
>
> That is the only thing they can do. There are no other reliable numbers at
> present. There will be more data after widespread antibody tests can be
> performed. In any case, we know that COVID-19 kills at least 10 times more
> people than influenza in a typical year. Influenza typically kills around
> 30,000, although some years a dangerous strain will kill many more. We know
> that COVID-19 has only infected a small fraction of the population, because
> people have taken precautions such as wearing masks, whereas influenza
> infects a much larger fraction. If COVID-19 were to spread as widely as
> influenza usually does, it would kill ~40 times more people than influenza.
> It would also disable many people for life with permanent lung damage,
> strokes, heart problems, amputations and so on. Influenza seldom does that.
> So it is far more lethal and serious.
>
>
>
>> These people at the CDC, the NIH and the FDA are corrupt to the nines.
>>
>
> Not the ones I know. They are hardworking scientists. I think you should
> not generalize about people you know nothing about.
>
>
> In the FDA, and I know this is hard to believe, many of the employees'
>> salaries are actually paid by pharmaceutical companies.
>>
>
> That would be against Federal law. I know several people who work or
> worked for Uncle Sam, such as my late mother. They cannot accept so much as
> a ham sandwich from anyone. Where did you read that? Be careful what you
> believe.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Jed Rothwell]

Michael Foster  wrote:

Yes, you are correct about the 6% figure. They merely stated that 6% of
> cases that listed covid19 as the sole cause of death failed to list the
> co-morbidities.
>

Correct. COVID-19 itself does not kill patients directly as often as it
leaves them open to secondary infections and things like that.


But you have fallen into the trap of the CDC's tricky manipulation of data.
> There have been up to 80,000 deaths per year supposedly caused by influenza
> (which strains?). The CDC then gives the mortality rate based upon an
> *estimated* number of infections. In other words, any number they want to
> make up.
>

No, they do not make up these numbers. The numbers are based on clinical
data from doctors and hospitals, and field studies. They are estimated
because ordinary influenza is not on the list of diseases that doctors must
report. Some forms of influenza have to be reported but not others. See:

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001929.htm


They then state the mortality rate among *known* covid infections.
>

That is the only thing they can do. There are no other reliable numbers at
present. There will be more data after widespread antibody tests can be
performed. In any case, we know that COVID-19 kills at least 10 times more
people than influenza in a typical year. Influenza typically kills around
30,000, although some years a dangerous strain will kill many more. We know
that COVID-19 has only infected a small fraction of the population, because
people have taken precautions such as wearing masks, whereas influenza
infects a much larger fraction. If COVID-19 were to spread as widely as
influenza usually does, it would kill ~40 times more people than influenza.
It would also disable many people for life with permanent lung damage,
strokes, heart problems, amputations and so on. Influenza seldom does that.
So it is far more lethal and serious.



> These people at the CDC, the NIH and the FDA are corrupt to the nines.
>

Not the ones I know. They are hardworking scientists. I think you should
not generalize about people you know nothing about.


In the FDA, and I know this is hard to believe, many of the employees'
> salaries are actually paid by pharmaceutical companies.
>

That would be against Federal law. I know several people who work or worked
for Uncle Sam, such as my late mother. They cannot accept so much as a ham
sandwich from anyone. Where did you read that? Be careful what you believe.

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Michael Foster]

 Yes, you are correct about the 6% figure. They merely stated that 6% of cases 
that listed covid19 as the sole cause of death failed to list the 
co-morbidities. I unfortunately relied on second hand information, never a good 
idea.

But you have fallen into the trap of the CDC's tricky manipulation of data. 
There have been up to 80,000 deaths per year supposedly caused by influenza 
(which strains?). The CDC then gives the mortality rate based upon an 
*estimated* number of infections. In other words, any number they want to make 
up. They then state the mortality rate among *known* covid infections. These 
people at the CDC, the NIH and the FDA are corrupt to the nines. In the FDA, 
and I know this is hard to believe, many of the employees' salaries are 
actually paid by pharmaceutical companies. I have no doubt something similar 
goes on in the NIH and the CDC. Redfield, the director of the CDC, Fauci and 
Birx are criminals, nearly convicted of defrauding the government with their 
lying about their development of an AIDS vaccine. Strange intervention from 
above stopped their prosecution, so they walked. Can't convict those gubmint 
employees; they are too far above us. But Fauci wants us to "Do what we are 
told." He has yet to put on his Mussolini uniform and helmet to tell us how he 
really feels about us.

There are really no reliable stats on covid. The vast majority of people who 
have died after being infected would probably have died of something else 
within the same time frame. We have destroyed a healthy economy over yet 
another infectious disease, and in so doing allowed our enemy to the east to 
gain great advantage over us. The so-called cure, lockdowns, is by far worse 
than the disease.
 On Friday, November 20, 2020, 03:40:46 PM GMT+1, Jed Rothwell 
 wrote:  
 
 Michael Foster  wrote:
 

The CDC itself has said only about 6% of reported mortality could reliably be 
attributed to the virus.

No, it did not say that. You have misunderstood. Please stop spreading such 
misinformation. 

 When you take that into account, the common cold probably has a higher 
mortality rate. 


The common cold (rhinovirus) kills only about a thousand people per year in the 
U.S., mainly people who are seriously ill from other diseases. Perhaps you 
meant influenza, which kills 20,000 to 30,000 per year. COVID-19 will probably 
kill ~350,000 people in one year. (It has killed 250,000 in 10 months.) 
Furthermore, influenza infects a much larger fraction of the population than 
COVID-19 has infected so far. If COVID-19 were to infect a similar fraction of 
the population, it would kill more than a million people. This is much worse 
than influenza.
  

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[ROGER ANDERTON]

COVID-19 will probably kill ~350,000 people in one year. (It has 
killed 250,000 in 10 months.) <<



where do you get those numbers from?

according to -> 
https://masterinvestor.co.uk/economics/journal-of-the-plague-year-xi-when-the-cure-killed-more-than-the-pestilence/


Moreover, the mortality figures are now suspect. Thousands of 
coronavirus deaths recorded by the ONS were not caused by Covid-19. In 
September, the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University 
found that coronavirus was not the main cause of death for nearly one 
third of the fatalities recorded in July and August who had Covid-19 on 
their death certificates.





-- Original Message --
From: "Jed Rothwell" 
To: "Vortex" 
Sent: Friday, 20 Nov, 20 At 14:40
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

Michael Foster mailto:mf...@yahoo.com> > wrote:



The CDC itself has said only about 6% of reported mortality could 
reliably be attributed to the virus.


No, it did not say that. You have misunderstood. Please stop spreading 
such misinformation.



 When you take that into account, the common cold probably has a higher 
mortality rate.



The common cold (rhinovirus) kills only about a thousand people per year 
in the U.S., mainly people who are seriously ill from other diseases. 
Perhaps you meant influenza, which kills 20,000 to 30,000 per year. 
COVID-19 will probably kill ~350,000 people in one year. (It has killed 
250,000 in 10 months.) Furthermore, influenza infects a much larger 
fraction of the population than COVID-19 has infected so far. If 
COVID-19 were to infect a similar fraction of the population, it would 
kill more than a million people. This is much worse than influenza.

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Jed Rothwell]

Michael Foster  wrote:


> The CDC itself has said only about 6% of reported mortality could reliably
> be attributed to the virus.


No, it did not say that. You have misunderstood. Please stop spreading such
misinformation.


When you take that into account, the common cold probably has a higher
> mortality rate.
>

The common cold (rhinovirus) kills only about a thousand people per year in
the U.S., mainly people who are seriously ill from other diseases. Perhaps
you meant influenza, which kills 20,000 to 30,000 per year. COVID-19 will
probably kill ~350,000 people in one year. (It has killed 250,000 in 10
months.) Furthermore, influenza infects a much larger fraction of the
population than COVID-19 has infected so far. If COVID-19 were to infect a
similar fraction of the population, it would kill more than a million
people. This is much worse than influenza.

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Michael Foster]

Interesting info, Jed. Thanks.

I hope these vaccines are effective, not because they need to be, but because 
it will calm down the unnecessary panic over this relatively low risk virus. 
There are no reliable statistics about the virus. False positives and negatives 
abound. The CDC itself has said only about 6% of reported mortality could 
reliably be attributed to the virus. When you take that into account, the 
common cold probably has a higher mortality rate. 

Big Pharma will get its payday out of this nonsense and more effective 
treatments and preventatives will continue to be suppressed or ignored.  
Incidentally, I notice that doctors have finally gotten around to using 
nebulized n-acetyl cysteine as a treatment, which was a standard procedure for 
viral pneumonia for years. What the hell took so long? Not enough money in it 
for Big Pharma? People died from lack of this treatment, an effective mucolytic 
and anti-viral.

The probable very high mortality rate in the virus' country of origin is likely 
due to genetic factors and the fact that on the order of 50% to 60% of men 
there smoke. The the stats in northern Italy are interesting because you can't 
find out how many of the reported cases are from illegal alien workers from the 
virus' city of origin. 

Just for fun, read this: 
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.creators.com/read/michelle-malkin=U=2ahUKEwi54cnf3I_tAhUEpp4KHUnXBTkQFjAAegQIABAB=AOvVaw1pLcfX-m4KL3QD7e3KPVuG

This woman is a notorious anti-vaxxer, but read it anyway, for another point of 
view.





 On Monday, November 16, 2020, 07:58:58 PM UTC, Jed Rothwell 
 wrote:





 I realize this is off topic. And I expect everyone here has heard about it. 
But I thought you would like to see some quantitative information.
Here is a note on temperatures. The second article says the Moderna vaccine can 
be kept at -20°C. The Pfizer vaccine has to be kept at -75°C during shipping 
and storage. It can be stored in an ordinary refrigerator for up to 5 days 
before it is used. (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54889084) I asked a 
nurse about this. She said there are several vaccines that require cold 
storage. She said this will probably come as a powder, which is mixed with room 
temperature fluid before inoculation. The older version of the shingles vaccine 
was like this.




Good news! Moderna's vaccine is reportedly 95% effective. Here are the raw 
numbers as reported by CNN:




15,000 vaccines administered. 5 people in that group got COVID-19. They had 
mild cases.

15,000 placebos administered. 90 people in that group got COVID-19. 11 had 
severe cases.




This is reported as 94.5% effective, which I think is too many digits of 
precision. I would say >90%. But I quibble. I think there is no question it is 
effective.




It seems the vaccine reduces the severity of the disease when it does not 
prevent it completely




There were no severe side effects. There were some side effects in some 
patients, such as headaches.




Fauci said this is good news. If the Pfizer and or the Moderna vaccines are 
approved, the first ones may be administered in December to risk groups such as 
doctors and nurses. Fauci predicted the general population may be vaccinated 
from May to July 2021.




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/health/Covid-moderna-vaccine.html





"Early Data Show Moderna’s Coronavirus Vaccine Is 94.5% Effective






Moderna is the second company to report preliminary results from a large trial 
testing a vaccine. But there are still months to go before it will be widely 
available to the public."







More good news, from CNN. This may drive down the stock market value of Pfizer:




While the two vaccines appear to have very similar safety and efficacy 
profiles, Moderna's vaccine has a significant practical advantage over Pfizer's.




Pfizer's vaccine has to be kept at minus 75 degrees Celsius — or about minus 
103 degrees Fahrenheit. No other vaccine in the US needs to be kept that cold, 
and doctors' offices and pharmacies do not have freezers that go that low.




Moderna's vaccine can be kept at minus 20 degrees Celsius, which is about minus 
4 degrees Fahrenheit. Other vaccines, such as the one against chickenpox, need 
to be kept at that temperature.




That means Moderna's vaccine can be kept in "a readily available freezer that 
is available in most doctors' offices and pharmacies," said Dr. Tal Zacks, 
Moderna's chief medical officer. "We leverage infrastructure that already 
exists for other marketed vaccines."




Another advantage of Moderna's vaccine is that it can be kept for 30 days in 
the refrigerator, the company announced Monday. Pfizer's vaccine can last only 
five days in the refrigerator.

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Currently a big mass  murder organized by the world wide rotary free 
masons mafia pharma mafia is ongoing and daily killing 10'000ds of 
peoples that not get the well working medication.


Ivermectin is able to save the live even of ICU patients. It works 
against West-Nil, Zikka, Hanta and other virus but nobody should know this.


It works best against CoV-19 by blocking the virus replication in the 
cell. It also can stop the virus outside the cell but there not better 
than HCQ or Nitazoxanide. It cost nothing. The horse version (dose of 
800kg)  in Europe is sold for about 8$. (USA human version 8 doses > 
800$) The horse version is used in South America, because its not 
suppressed!


https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.10.26.20219345

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344877090


The full HCQ story:

 https://hcqtrial.com/ !


Please inform the newspapers  about the facts and tell/threat, you will 
bring them to Den Haag if they stay silent or publish miss information. 
This will work again with Biden!  Keep a copy of your communication 
together with the mail confirmation.


J.W.

On 16.11.2020 21:16, H LV wrote:

awesome
harry

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Jed Rothwell > wrote:


I realize this is off topic. And I expect everyone here has heard
about it. But I thought you would like to see some quantitative
information.

Here is a note on temperatures. The second article says the
Moderna vaccine can be kept at -20°C. The Pfizer vaccine has to be
kept at -75°C during shipping and storage. It can be stored in an
ordinary refrigerator for up to 5 days before it is used.
(https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54889084) I asked a nurse
about this. She said there are several vaccines that require cold
storage. She said this will probably come as a powder, which is
mixed with room temperature fluid before inoculation. The older
version of the shingles vaccine was like this.



Good news! Moderna's vaccine is reportedly 95% effective. Here are
the raw numbers as reported by CNN:


15,000 vaccines administered. 5 people in that group got COVID-19.
They had mild cases.

15,000 placebos administered. 90 people in that group got
COVID-19. 11 had severe cases.


This is reported as 94.5% effective, which I think is too many
digits of precision. I would say >90%. But I quibble. I think
there is no question it is effective.


It seems the vaccine reduces the severity of the disease when it
does not prevent it completely


There were no severe side effects. There were some side effects in
some patients, such as headaches.


Fauci said this is good news. If the Pfizer and or the Moderna
vaccines are approved, the first ones may be administered in
December to risk groups such as doctors and nurses. Fauci
predicted the general population may be vaccinated from May to
July 2021.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/health/Covid-moderna-vaccine.html


"Early Data Show Moderna’s Coronavirus Vaccine Is 94.5% Effective

Moderna is the second company to report preliminary results from a
large trial testing a vaccine. But there are still months to go
before it will be widely available to the public."



More good news, from CNN. This may drive down the stock market
value of Pfizer:


While the two vaccines appear to have very similar safety and
efficacy profiles, Moderna's vaccine has a significant practical
advantage over Pfizer's.


Pfizer's vaccine has to be kept at minus 75 degrees Celsius — or
about minus 103 degrees Fahrenheit. No other vaccine in the US
needs to be kept that cold, and doctors' offices and pharmacies do
not have freezers that go that low.


Moderna's vaccine can be kept at minus 20 degrees Celsius, which
is about minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit. Other vaccines, such as the
one against chickenpox, need to be kept at that temperature.


That means Moderna's vaccine can be kept in "a readily available
freezer that is available in most doctors' offices and
pharmacies," said Dr. Tal Zacks, Moderna's chief medical officer.
"We leverage infrastructure that already exists for other marketed
vaccines."


Another advantage of Moderna's vaccine is that it can be kept for
30 days in the refrigerator, the company announced Monday.
Pfizer's vaccine can last only five days in the refrigerator.



--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[H LV]

awesome
harry

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I realize this is off topic. And I expect everyone here has heard about
> it. But I thought you would like to see some quantitative information.
>
> Here is a note on temperatures. The second article says the Moderna
> vaccine can be kept at -20°C. The Pfizer vaccine has to be kept at -75°C
> during shipping and storage. It can be stored in an ordinary refrigerator
> for up to 5 days before it is used. (
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54889084) I asked a nurse about this.
> She said there are several vaccines that require cold storage. She said
> this will probably come as a powder, which is mixed with room temperature
> fluid before inoculation. The older version of the shingles vaccine was
> like this.
>
>
>
> Good news! Moderna's vaccine is reportedly 95% effective. Here are the raw
> numbers as reported by CNN:
>
>
> 15,000 vaccines administered. 5 people in that group got COVID-19. They
> had mild cases.
>
> 15,000 placebos administered. 90 people in that group got COVID-19. 11 had
> severe cases.
>
>
> This is reported as 94.5% effective, which I think is too many digits of
> precision. I would say >90%. But I quibble. I think there is no question it
> is effective.
>
>
> It seems the vaccine reduces the severity of the disease when it does not
> prevent it completely
>
>
> There were no severe side effects. There were some side effects in some
> patients, such as headaches.
>
>
> Fauci said this is good news. If the Pfizer and or the Moderna vaccines
> are approved, the first ones may be administered in December to risk groups
> such as doctors and nurses. Fauci predicted the general population may be
> vaccinated from May to July 2021.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/health/Covid-moderna-vaccine.html
>
>
> "Early Data Show Moderna’s Coronavirus Vaccine Is 94.5% Effective
>
> Moderna is the second company to report preliminary results from a large
> trial testing a vaccine. But there are still months to go before it will be
> widely available to the public."
>
>
>
> More good news, from CNN. This may drive down the stock market value of
> Pfizer:
>
>
> While the two vaccines appear to have very similar safety and efficacy
> profiles, Moderna's vaccine has a significant practical advantage over
> Pfizer's.
>
>
> Pfizer's vaccine has to be kept at minus 75 degrees Celsius — or about
> minus 103 degrees Fahrenheit. No other vaccine in the US needs to be kept
> that cold, and doctors' offices and pharmacies do not have freezers that go
> that low.
>
>
> Moderna's vaccine can be kept at minus 20 degrees Celsius, which is about
> minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit. Other vaccines, such as the one against
> chickenpox, need to be kept at that temperature.
>
>
> That means Moderna's vaccine can be kept in "a readily available freezer
> that is available in most doctors' offices and pharmacies," said Dr. Tal
> Zacks, Moderna's chief medical officer. "We leverage infrastructure that
> already exists for other marketed vaccines."
>
>
> Another advantage of Moderna's vaccine is that it can be kept for 30 days
> in the refrigerator, the company announced Monday. Pfizer's vaccine can
> last only five days in the refrigerator.
>
>
>

[Vo]:Good news about the pandemic at last

[Jed Rothwell]

I realize this is off topic. And I expect everyone here has heard about it.
But I thought you would like to see some quantitative information.

Here is a note on temperatures. The second article says the Moderna vaccine
can be kept at -20°C. The Pfizer vaccine has to be kept at -75°C during
shipping and storage. It can be stored in an ordinary refrigerator for up
to 5 days before it is used. (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54889084)
I asked a nurse about this. She said there are several vaccines that
require cold storage. She said this will probably come as a powder, which
is mixed with room temperature fluid before inoculation. The older version
of the shingles vaccine was like this.



Good news! Moderna's vaccine is reportedly 95% effective. Here are the raw
numbers as reported by CNN:


15,000 vaccines administered. 5 people in that group got COVID-19. They had
mild cases.

15,000 placebos administered. 90 people in that group got COVID-19. 11 had
severe cases.


This is reported as 94.5% effective, which I think is too many digits of
precision. I would say >90%. But I quibble. I think there is no question it
is effective.


It seems the vaccine reduces the severity of the disease when it does not
prevent it completely


There were no severe side effects. There were some side effects in some
patients, such as headaches.


Fauci said this is good news. If the Pfizer and or the Moderna vaccines are
approved, the first ones may be administered in December to risk groups
such as doctors and nurses. Fauci predicted the general population may be
vaccinated from May to July 2021.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/health/Covid-moderna-vaccine.html


"Early Data Show Moderna’s Coronavirus Vaccine Is 94.5% Effective

Moderna is the second company to report preliminary results from a large
trial testing a vaccine. But there are still months to go before it will be
widely available to the public."



More good news, from CNN. This may drive down the stock market value of
Pfizer:


While the two vaccines appear to have very similar safety and efficacy
profiles, Moderna's vaccine has a significant practical advantage over
Pfizer's.


Pfizer's vaccine has to be kept at minus 75 degrees Celsius — or about
minus 103 degrees Fahrenheit. No other vaccine in the US needs to be kept
that cold, and doctors' offices and pharmacies do not have freezers that go
that low.


Moderna's vaccine can be kept at minus 20 degrees Celsius, which is about
minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit. Other vaccines, such as the one against
chickenpox, need to be kept at that temperature.


That means Moderna's vaccine can be kept in "a readily available freezer
that is available in most doctors' offices and pharmacies," said Dr. Tal
Zacks, Moderna's chief medical officer. "We leverage infrastructure that
already exists for other marketed vaccines."


Another advantage of Moderna's vaccine is that it can be kept for 30 days
in the refrigerator, the company announced Monday. Pfizer's vaccine can
last only five days in the refrigerator.

Re: [Vo]:good news

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

SPAM SPAM  SPAM

this "person" (who is most likely a spambot) should be kicked out of the 
group.


It's a weightloss trash site.

On 06/02/2016 09:19 PM, kowals...@mail.montclair.edu wrote:


Hey,

I've got some good news for you, read more about it here 
http://phuquanteha.failedfounder.com/aehqcp


Regards, kowals...@mail.montclair.edu

[Vo]:good news

[kowalskil]

Hey,

I've got some good news for you, read more about it here 


Regards, kowals...@mail.montclair.edu

[Vo]:good news read all- aand a basic discussion

[Peter Gluck]

Quite interesting news, great space for even better ones

To decide: the reality or the image of LENR is the more difficult problem -
actually?

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/02/feb-29-2016-good-lenr-news-discussing.html

Best wishes,

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Good news and the idea of "islands of rationality" for LENR(+)

[Peter Gluck]

plus a nice dispute too

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/01/jan-11-2016-essential-concept-for-lenr.html

peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:good news not exactly LENR , but...

[Peter Gluck]

dear AXIL

I wonder if Rossi will like this and will agree to it
Anyway he is probably not reading Vortex or EGO OUT

Peter

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Over on the Rossi blog site, there has recently been a ton of questions
 asking Rossi what the E-Cat-X is all about. Rossi is silent on that issue.
 He is very protective about his new collections of IP secrets. And yet, he
 gave the Lugano crew the Hot cat to play with for a month. To completely
 give the Lugano testers all his treasured and hard won IP secrets is
 completely out of character. Rossi must have thought that the Hot Cat was a
 dead end. Try as he might, Rossi could not get the Hot cat to work, and he
 gave up on it. He never intended to give anybody the opportunity and the
 Know-how to replicate any of his work. Does a leopard change its spots? But
 when Rossi read the Lugano report, he saw something he liked very much, it
 was something he did not see in all his own extensive Hot cat experiments.
 He was very surprised, and he took advantage of this very good luck as he
 has always done. Those new insights that he gleaned from the Lugano report
 gave him inspiration to invent the E-Cat-X. The tantalizing question that
 we are faced with: what insight did Rossi get from the Lugano report.

 Maybe Rossi gave up on the Hot Cat because, try as he might, he could not
 get the Hot Cat to work well, So he intended to throw his competitors a
 curve by showing them a failed test. He used an old fuel load from one of
 his failed Hot cat tests knowing full well that the Hot Cat would not work
 to any great extent. But to his surprise, the Lugano crew got the reactor
 to work anyway beyond all his wildest expectations.

 The previously used fuel loaded in the Lugano test showed no build up of
 Ni62, just run of the mill nickel isotopes, but the Lugano run changed the
 nickel powder into pure Ni62. We know that Rossi was very surprised by this
 strange turn of events. Rossi must have thought to himself, what could have
 caused that miracle? How come I could not do this thing and those Lugano
 testers could?

 Because they did not want to melt the hot cat down, the Lugano crew let
 the Hot cat heat for 10 days before they decided to up the temperature. In
 those first 10 days the Hot cat was a poor performer. Rossi never had the
 patience to run the Hot cat for so long, he did not have the patience to
 run such a non productive test for that long. But after those 10 days of
 gestation, the Lugano crew increased the power and the heat and the Rossi
 reaction took off.

 The power produced by the reactor showed a COP of 7 when the power was
 increased. Something must have been building up over those 10 days of
 moderate heat. LENR has always had a history of running for a long time
 before the reaction sets in. The Palladium guys thought ot was caused by
 loading hydrogen into palladium, but that was not the case.

 Nano-particles were being created slowly until their numbers reached a
 critical threshold for the reactor to take off. Without those large 100
 micron nickel particles, the nano particle aggregation must be grown large
 enough to get the power of the reaction over a critical level. That correct
 level is when the aggregation is big enough to establish a positive
 feedback loop with the nuclear fusion reactions catalyzed by the
 aggregation.

 Rossi said to himself, I can just add some of my potassium catalyst to the
 lithium aluminum hydride to get the nano particles to form faster. 10 days
 is far to long to wait to start up the Hot cat. Then I could turn on the
 lithium powder very fast, and I do not need the nickel anymore.

 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 For today- knowing that tomorrow something excellent will appear

 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/08/aug-18-2015-good-news-but-not-genuinely.html
 Peter
 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com





-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:good news not exactly LENR , but...

[Axil Axil]

Over on the Rossi blog site, there has recently been a ton of questions
asking Rossi what the E-Cat-X is all about. Rossi is silent on that issue.
He is very protective about his new collections of IP secrets. And yet, he
gave the Lugano crew the Hot cat to play with for a month. To completely
give the Lugano testers all his treasured and hard won IP secrets is
completely out of character. Rossi must have thought that the Hot Cat was a
dead end. Try as he might, Rossi could not get the Hot cat to work, and he
gave up on it. He never intended to give anybody the opportunity and the
Know-how to replicate any of his work. Does a leopard change its spots? But
when Rossi read the Lugano report, he saw something he liked very much, it
was something he did not see in all his own extensive Hot cat experiments.
He was very surprised, and he took advantage of this very good luck as he
has always done. Those new insights that he gleaned from the Lugano report
gave him inspiration to invent the E-Cat-X. The tantalizing question that
we are faced with: what insight did Rossi get from the Lugano report.

Maybe Rossi gave up on the Hot Cat because, try as he might, he could not
get the Hot Cat to work well, So he intended to throw his competitors a
curve by showing them a failed test. He used an old fuel load from one of
his failed Hot cat tests knowing full well that the Hot Cat would not work
to any great extent. But to his surprise, the Lugano crew got the reactor
to work anyway beyond all his wildest expectations.

The previously used fuel loaded in the Lugano test showed no build up of
Ni62, just run of the mill nickel isotopes, but the Lugano run changed the
nickel powder into pure Ni62. We know that Rossi was very surprised by this
strange turn of events. Rossi must have thought to himself, what could have
caused that miracle? How come I could not do this thing and those Lugano
testers could?

Because they did not want to melt the hot cat down, the Lugano crew let the
Hot cat heat for 10 days before they decided to up the temperature. In
those first 10 days the Hot cat was a poor performer. Rossi never had the
patience to run the Hot cat for so long, he did not have the patience to
run such a non productive test for that long. But after those 10 days of
gestation, the Lugano crew increased the power and the heat and the Rossi
reaction took off.

The power produced by the reactor showed a COP of 7 when the power was
increased. Something must have been building up over those 10 days of
moderate heat. LENR has always had a history of running for a long time
before the reaction sets in. The Palladium guys thought ot was caused by
loading hydrogen into palladium, but that was not the case.

Nano-particles were being created slowly until their numbers reached a
critical threshold for the reactor to take off. Without those large 100
micron nickel particles, the nano particle aggregation must be grown large
enough to get the power of the reaction over a critical level. That correct
level is when the aggregation is big enough to establish a positive
feedback loop with the nuclear fusion reactions catalyzed by the
aggregation.

Rossi said to himself, I can just add some of my potassium catalyst to the
lithium aluminum hydride to get the nano particles to form faster. 10 days
is far to long to wait to start up the Hot cat. Then I could turn on the
lithium powder very fast, and I do not need the nickel anymore.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

 For today- knowing that tomorrow something excellent will appear

 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/08/aug-18-2015-good-news-but-not-genuinely.html
 Peter
 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:good news not exactly LENR , but...

[Peter Gluck]

For today- knowing that tomorrow something excellent will appear
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/08/aug-18-2015-good-news-but-not-genuinely.html
Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:good news still not confirmed yet

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Friends,

please read:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/early-monday-shock-first-fast-edition.html

Hope to come back to you later with better news.

Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:good news, theory papers at ICCF-19

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Friends,\I am just watching with great hopes the Parkhomov
replication by MFMP. Brian Ahern has also started.
Anyway, please read and help me with your opinions, this:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/03/good-news-and-theory-papers-at-iccf-19.html

See you tomorrow morning!
Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:good news

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Friends,

Why should I wait with this, we are not spoiled with good news:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/shared-lenr-good-event-december-25-2014.html

Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:good news

[Axil Axil]

I was just reading that Dr. G Miley has produced considerable over unity
heat after 4 hours, but his nanopowder deteriorates in short order due to
sintering.

http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/09/21/george-miley-working-3kw-30kw-lenr-designs/

“Results were shown where the energy gain (LENR/chemical) started at about
7 after a few minutes, but increased another order of magnitude over four
hours. Longer runs had problems due to deterioration of the nanoparticles,
attributed to sintering.”

This deterioration of nanopowder can always be expected whenever a static
nanopowder is used in the LENR process.

I wonder if Piantelli has the same problems with his nanopowder.   Rossi
avoids this problem by continually rebuilding his nanopowder after each
input power pulse. This is the function of the “secret sauce”. I call this
nanopowder renewal process “dynamic nuclear active environment” (NAE)
formation.

The “secret sauce” is an alkali metal like lithium or potassium: an
element  with a low vaporization point that first vaporizes and then
re-condenses into Rydberg matter after each input heat pulse. These
nanoparticles will eventually sinter but will always be renewed to provide
a constant resupply of fresh nanopowder in a dynamic process.

The function of the micro-sized nickel micropowder is to generate a Bose
Einstein condensate which produces a superfluid condition that also
protects nanostructures from sintering.

Re: [Vo]:good news

[Bob Cook]

A good internal heat transfer agent--maybe Li vapor--could be enough to cool 
the Ni so that sintering does not occur.  He gas would also work, but may be 
harder to keep in place.  Li emitted from the AlLiO-H may be the cooling agent 
that Rossi uses.

Bob Cook
  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:good news


  I was just reading that Dr. G Miley has produced considerable over unity heat 
after 4 hours, but his nanopowder deteriorates in short order due to sintering. 

  
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/09/21/george-miley-working-3kw-30kw-lenr-designs/

  “Results were shown where the energy gain (LENR/chemical) started at about 7 
after a few minutes, but increased another order of magnitude over four hours. 
Longer runs had problems due to deterioration of the nanoparticles, attributed 
to sintering.” 

  This deterioration of nanopowder can always be expected whenever a static 
nanopowder is used in the LENR process.

  I wonder if Piantelli has the same problems with his nanopowder.   Rossi 
avoids this problem by continually rebuilding his nanopowder after each input 
power pulse. This is the function of the “secret sauce”. I call this nanopowder 
renewal process “dynamic nuclear active environment” (NAE) formation.

  The “secret sauce” is an alkali metal like lithium or potassium: an element  
with a low vaporization point that first vaporizes and then re-condenses into 
Rydberg matter after each input heat pulse. These nanoparticles will eventually 
sinter but will always be renewed to provide a constant resupply of fresh 
nanopowder in a dynamic process. 

  The function of the micro-sized nickel micropowder is to generate a Bose 
Einstein condensate which produces a superfluid condition that also protects 
nanostructures from sintering.

Re: [Vo]:good news

[Bob Cook]

Axil--

The link is for a talk given in September 2012.  It's not new!!!  I missed the 
news that George was working with Ni.  The cited report does not make this 
clear.  The 2012 results could have been with Pd particles.

  Does anyone know for sure?

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:good news


  I was just reading that Dr. G Miley has produced considerable over unity heat 
after 4 hours, but his nanopowder deteriorates in short order due to sintering. 

  
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/09/21/george-miley-working-3kw-30kw-lenr-designs/

  “Results were shown where the energy gain (LENR/chemical) started at about 7 
after a few minutes, but increased another order of magnitude over four hours. 
Longer runs had problems due to deterioration of the nanoparticles, attributed 
to sintering.” 

  This deterioration of nanopowder can always be expected whenever a static 
nanopowder is used in the LENR process.

  I wonder if Piantelli has the same problems with his nanopowder.   Rossi 
avoids this problem by continually rebuilding his nanopowder after each input 
power pulse. This is the function of the “secret sauce”. I call this nanopowder 
renewal process “dynamic nuclear active environment” (NAE) formation.

  The “secret sauce” is an alkali metal like lithium or potassium: an element  
with a low vaporization point that first vaporizes and then re-condenses into 
Rydberg matter after each input heat pulse. These nanoparticles will eventually 
sinter but will always be renewed to provide a constant resupply of fresh 
nanopowder in a dynamic process. 

  The function of the micro-sized nickel micropowder is to generate a Bose 
Einstein condensate which produces a superfluid condition that also protects 
nanostructures from sintering.

[Vo]:good news

[fznidarsic]

Frank,?
?
I apologize for the long delay in the review of your paper, The Control of 
Natural Forces.?
?
I am pleased to inform you that the paper has been accepted for publication in 
Infinite Energy. It is tentatively scheduled for Issue 87 (September/October 
2009); you will receive a galley proof in early August. Please provide a short 
biography and photo of yourself if you wish for us to use these with the 
article.?
?
Thank you,?
?
Christy Frazier?
Managing Editor?
Infinite Energy Magazine?
?

Re: [Vo]:good news

[Horace Heffner]

Congratulations Frank!

It's long overdue.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/


On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:54 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


Frank,

I apologize for the long delay in the review of your paper, The  
Control of Natural Forces.


I am pleased to inform you that the paper has been accepted for  
publication in Infinite Energy. It is tentatively scheduled for  
Issue 87 (September/October 2009); you will receive a galley proof  
in early August. Please provide a short biography and photo of  
yourself if you wish for us to use these with the article.


Thank you,

Christy Frazier
Managing Editor
Infinite Energy Magazine

Re: [Vo]:good news

[R C Macaulay]

Indeed , good news.
Richard


  Congratulations Frank!


  It's long overdue.




  Best regards,


  Horace Heffner
  http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




  On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:54 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


Frank, 
 
I apologize for the long delay in the review of your paper, The Control of 
Natural Forces. 
 
I am pleased to inform you that the paper has been accepted for publication 
in Infinite Energy. It is tentatively scheduled for Issue 87 (September/October 
2009); you will receive a galley proof in early August. Please provide a short 
biography and photo of yourself if you wish for us to use these with the 
article. 
 
Thank you, 
 
Christy Frazier 
Managing Editor 
Infinite Energy Magazine 
 

[Vo]:Good News For Prius Owners

[Terry Blanton]

400,000 miles on a Prius battery !?!

I wonder how long the petrol engine will go without overhaul?

http://www.dailytech.com/End+of+Life+Approaching+for+Many+Prius+Battery+Packs/article13837.htm

Terry

[Vo]:Good News for the Arctic

[Jones Beene]

This may have been mentioned in the earlier thread on the scientific 
contradictions and general high levels of bad-info on GW.

http://www.dailytech.com/Arctic+Sees+Massive+Gain+in+Ice+Coverage/article12851.htm

RE: [Vo]:Good News for the *ANTARCTIC*

[Remi Cornwall]

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn14724-antarctic-sea-ice-
increases-despite-warming.html


-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 September 2008 20:00
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]:Good News for the Arctic

This may have been mentioned in the earlier thread on the scientific
contradictions and general high levels of bad-info on GW.

http://www.dailytech.com/Arctic+Sees+Massive+Gain+in+Ice+Coverage/article128
51.htm

[Vo]:Good news on the Volt

[Horace Heffner]

See

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? 
pid=20601087sid=abR.mR3rTSuQrefer=home



Regards,

Horace Heffner