----- Original Message ----- From: John Harris To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard?
Jed Wrote Also, square reactors are a really, really bad idea. Safety and the Rossi reactor Have only just subscribed but been a lurker for quite a while so I thought to add a comment on a previous discussion about the square design of the reactor water chamber. (wrote this a while ago but didn't post it) I think this is probably a good design at this stage of understanding of the reactor. A cylinder with domed or concave ends is the prefered shape for water heaters and boilers but there is a good understanding of the maximum pressure they will be subject too and the maximum kW power input they will be expected to receive. We all know the result when someone removes the pressure relief or in the case of a wood fired boiler, fires it too enthusiastically, In this case there is a good likelyhood of a quite spectacular failure and there have been cases of houses practically demolished from exploding systems. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bU-I2ZiML0 ) In the Rossi case we have a system where the maximum power from the raction cannot be properly determined and maybe the possibility of thermal run-away so it is fairly well impossible to properly size a relief valve for a cylindrical boiler. A square boiler on the other hand is a good compromise, the bolted on top will distort and begin leaking not far past its design pressure, a long straight seam will fail without much overpressure and do so in an unspectacular fashion - a bit messy and dont stand in the way of the steam but there will be warning signs and the results will probably not be too damaging. a rupture disk in a cylinder would offer some of the same protection but once again they tend to discharge quite violently and still cant be ported to a safe location and retain their simplicity and integrity. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard? Man on Bridges <manonbrid...@aim.com> wrote: In hindsight I'm glad Rossi pursued his approach of building a big system to be shown to the World, which can produce up to 1 MW i.s.o. of showing only a couple of small e-cats with only a couple of kW. I still disagree, vehemently. I think this is a terrible approach, from the business point of view. I think he wasted 10 months on this reactor. This reactor is entirely too big and it serves no useful purpose. It is a crude prototype which the customer will not be able to use for any real world application. Rossi should have done a proper test of a kilowatt scale device back in January. Many venture capitalists and business people have approached me since then, and said they would give him large sums of money and all the support he needs if he will only do a properly instrumented engineering test. In fact I think Rossi did us all a tremendous favor as it just proves that this technology is absolutely mature and through it's basic simplicity and modularity. . . It does not "prove" a damn thing, because he did not allow independent verification of the claims, and we do not even know who the customer is. It suggests the technology is real. It is further evidence of that, which fits in with previous evidence. It is not proof in the engineering or scientific sense. It does not look mature to me. Obviously you can use modules in this method but I think that is a wacky way to build a megawatt scale reactor. It has way too many individual modules and pipes, and way too many things that can go wrong and will go wrong. Many small cells integrated into a larger device would be better. Also, square reactors are a really, really bad idea. - Jed
