Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:25:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Since the second nickel nucleus has an extra neutron it is now in an excited state. While it is excited the hydrogen nucleus on the left retreats and the hydrogen nucleus on the right is approaches. Timing problem again. Gamma emission in approx. 1E-17 sec. Oscillation rate of the H atoms in the THz range. That means that the cycle time of the H atoms is about 1E-12 sec. Gamma decay is about 10 times faster, so most of the time the energy will be emitted as a gamma. Furthermore, I don't think the Nickel is going to be all that willing to part with it's new toy anyway. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:52 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:25:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Since the second nickel nucleus has an extra neutron it is now in an excited state. While it is excited the hydrogen nucleus on the left retreats and the hydrogen nucleus on the right is approaches. Timing problem again. Gamma emission in approx. 1E-17 sec. Oscillation rate of the H atoms in the THz range. That means that the cycle time of the H atoms is about 1E-12 sec. Gamma decay is about 10 times faster, so most of the time the energy will be emitted as a gamma. Furthermore, I don't think the Nickel is going to be all that willing to part with it's new toy anyway. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Every theorist begins by choosing to accept some impossibilities and to reject other impossibilities. It seems to me that the choice is based as much on logic and evidence as it is based on the theorist's particular training, personal experiences and intuition. Since I can't draw on a wealth of knowledge about chemistry, nuclear physics or condensed matter to lend credibility to my choices I will hence forth not theorize about this phenomena. Harry Harry Harry
Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:39:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:54 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If it happened nobody would notice. Yes. I think it would be indistinguishable from an elastic collision (if the two situations are different). Eric That analogy assumes the excited nucleus immediately reverts or fissions back into the original parts. However, if there is a significant time delay before fission occurs and the excited nucleus is able to migrate to different site during that delay, then when fission does occur it will cause a local temperature increase at the different site. There isn't time for it migrate. The fission to either He3 + n or T + p happens in about 1E-22 sec. For this not to happen, it would have to fission back to D+D in less time than that. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html I wonder if the decay time of 1E-22 secs is theoretically derived or if it is empirically derived. If it is empirically derived then it might not always be true, but I will accept your point for the time being and switch to a process involving neutron stripping, which is where our exchange began. Imagine a line of nickel nuclei with one deuterium nucleus in the gap between the first two nickel nuclei. The remaining gaps are each occupied with a hydrogen nucleus. Imagine just the deuterium and hydrogen nuclei oscillating back and forth in unison in the gaps. When the deuterium nucleus gets close enough to connect with the second Nickel nucleus it gives up its neutron to that nickel nucleus. Since the second nickel nucleus has an extra neutron it is now in an excited state. While it is excited the hydrogen nucleus on the left retreats and the hydrogen nucleus on the right is approaches. Eventually the hydrogen nucleus on the right connects with the excited nickel nucleus and the extra neutron in the excited nickel nucleus is transferred to it. (Technically speaking this is not a reverse reaction since it involves a new association, but this is a work in progress which you and others are helping to complete so forgive me if I do not use always use the best terms). The neutron transfers continue so that energy is moved from the beginning of the line to the end of the line. I illustrated the process here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dzUFl91yhYGk5CTnAX_eXCYPgIemqlTF3XuQkRQf_hA/edit?usp=sharing The process is like a bucket brigade but instead of water being transferred it is fire. Incidentally while looking at some youtube videos of bucket brigades I stumbled on a video where fire is moved instead of water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfJZfHARLk Anyway, if the general conept is not inane, I am sure there are other possible bucket brigades involving different nuclei. Harry
Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:25 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: When the deuterium nucleus gets close enough to connect with the second Nickel nucleus it gives up its neutron to that nickel nucleus. I think you're going to need a powerful force to make this part happen. Think of the proton that is part of the deuteron and the nickel nucleus as extremely powerful, oppositely magnetized metal spheres. They're going to do whatever they can to avoid each other, including sending the deuteron along a curved path out of the line of collision with the nickel nucleus if such a path is allowed by the velocity of the deuteron. Eric
Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
I wrote: Think of the proton that is part of the deuteron and the nickel nucleus as extremely powerful, oppositely magnetized metal spheres. I didn't say that very well. They're like two magnets with the same poles facing each other (these magnets are monopoles, so there's no other pole to allow them to flip around). Also, magnetism isn't the force involved, technically speaking, but the general physical interaction is how I think about it. Eric
Re: Nuclear bucket brigade - was Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
Now I'll give *you* something to believe. I'm just one hundred and one, five months and a day.' 'I can't believe *that!*' said Alice. 'Can't you?' the Queen said in a pitying tone. 'Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.' Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said 'one *can't* believe impossible things.' 'I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: Think of the proton that is part of the deuteron and the nickel nucleus as extremely powerful, oppositely magnetized metal spheres. I didn't say that very well. They're like two magnets with the same poles facing each other (these magnets are monopoles, so there's no other pole to allow them to flip around). Also, magnetism isn't the force involved, technically speaking, but the general physical interaction is how I think about it. Eric
