RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states--interesting note in Wilipedia regarding A-B effect.

2019-08-10 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Andrew, Jones and Jurg

A magnetic field may be a natural dimension like space dimensions, time 
dimension and angular momentum dimension.

The idea that it is quantized supports this conjecture IMHO.

Bob Cook


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 9:22:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states--interesting note in 
Wilipedia regarding A-B effect.

MY LAST COMMENTS WERE BASED ON DISCUSSION IN Wikipedia REGARDING THE MAGNETIC 
AHARONOV-BOHM EFFECT.

The Dirac string idea is new to me.  It smacks of a quark-like explanation of 
something that cannot be measured—a virtual entity.
b
If the magnetic mono-pole exists as a primary particle (fundamental as in the 
SM) anti-magmatic mono p0les may also exist as a negative(magnetic entity.   
The Dirac string would also begin and end on it.   A negative and regular mono 
pole would act as a magnetic dipole displayed by many SM structural entities.

BOB COOK




Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states--interesting note in 
Wilipedia regarding A-B effect.


Andrew, Jones etal,--

The magnetic Aharonov–Bohm effect is also closely related to 
Dirac's<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac> argument that the existence 
of a magnetic monopole<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole> can be 
accommodated by the existing magnetic source-free Maxwell's 
equations<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations> if both electric 
and magnetic charges are quantized.

A magnetic monopole implies a mathematical singularity in the vector potential, 
which can be expressed as a Dirac 
string<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_string> of infinitesimal diameter 
that contains the equivalent of all of the 4πg flux from a monopole "charge" g. 
The Dirac string starts from, and terminates on, a magnetic monopole. Thus, 
assuming the absence of an infinite-range scattering effect by this arbitrary 
choice of singularity, the requirement of single-valued wave functions (as 
above) necessitates charge-quantization. That is, 2 q e q m ℏ c {\displaystyle 
2{\frac {q_{\text{e}}q_{\text{m}}}{\hbar c}}} [2{\frac  
{q_{{\text{e}}}q_{{\text{m{\hbar c}}] must be an integer (in 
cgs<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_units> units) for any electric 
charge qe and magnetic charge qm.

Like the electromagnetic 
potential<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_potential> A the Dirac 
string is not gauge invariant (it moves around with fixed endpoints under a 
gauge transformation) and so is also not directly measurable.
Bob Cook

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From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 5:17:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states

Andrew, Bob

A good paper on this subject (longitudinal waves)  is
“Unravelling the potentials puzzle and corresponding case for the scalar 
longitudinal electrodynamic wave”
Donald Reed 2019 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 1251 012043

Reed does not make the scalar to  neutrino connection, which  seems to serve 
the same purposes, which is to explore the line between what is real and what 
seems real because it balances equations.

The best thing one can say about QM is that it lends physical credulity to an 
imaginary world… but then again, what is real?

From: Andrew Meulenberg<mailto:mules...@gmail.com>

…. At the short distance of deep-orbits from the nucleus, the neutrino 
(considered to be similar to photons) would be in the "longitudinal photon" mode

RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states--interesting note in Wilipedia regarding A-B effect.

2019-08-10 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
MY LAST COMMENTS WERE BASED ON DISCUSSION IN Wikipedia REGARDING THE MAGNETIC 
AHARONOV-BOHM EFFECT.

The Dirac string idea is new to me.  It smacks of a quark-like explanation of 
something that cannot be measured—a virtual entity.
b
If the magnetic mono-pole exists as a primary particle (fundamental as in the 
SM) anti-magmatic mono p0les may also exist as a negative(magnetic entity.   
The Dirac string would also begin and end on it.   A negative and regular mono 
pole would act as a magnetic dipole displayed by many SM structural entities.

BOB COOK




Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states--interesting note in 
Wilipedia regarding A-B effect.


Andrew, Jones etal,--

The magnetic Aharonov–Bohm effect is also closely related to 
Dirac's<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac> argument that the existence 
of a magnetic monopole<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole> can be 
accommodated by the existing magnetic source-free Maxwell's 
equations<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations> if both electric 
and magnetic charges are quantized.

A magnetic monopole implies a mathematical singularity in the vector potential, 
which can be expressed as a Dirac 
string<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_string> of infinitesimal diameter 
that contains the equivalent of all of the 4πg flux from a monopole "charge" g. 
The Dirac string starts from, and terminates on, a magnetic monopole. Thus, 
assuming the absence of an infinite-range scattering effect by this arbitrary 
choice of singularity, the requirement of single-valued wave functions (as 
above) necessitates charge-quantization. That is, 2 q e q m ℏ c {\displaystyle 
2{\frac {q_{\text{e}}q_{\text{m}}}{\hbar c}}} [2{\frac  
{q_{{\text{e}}}q_{{\text{m{\hbar c}}] must be an integer (in 
cgs<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_units> units) for any electric 
charge qe and magnetic charge qm.

Like the electromagnetic 
potential<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_potential> A the Dirac 
string is not gauge invariant (it moves around with fixed endpoints under a 
gauge transformation) and so is also not directly measurable.
Bob Cook

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From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 5:17:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states

Andrew, Bob

A good paper on this subject (longitudinal waves)  is
“Unravelling the potentials puzzle and corresponding case for the scalar 
longitudinal electrodynamic wave”
Donald Reed 2019 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 1251 012043

Reed does not make the scalar to  neutrino connection, which  seems to serve 
the same purposes, which is to explore the line between what is real and what 
seems real because it balances equations.

The best thing one can say about QM is that it lends physical credulity to an 
imaginary world… but then again, what is real?

From: Andrew Meulenberg<mailto:mules...@gmail.com>

…. At the short distance of deep-orbits from the nucleus, the neutrino 
(considered to be similar to photons) would be in the "longitudinal photon" mode

Re: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states--interesting note in Wilipedia regarding A-B effect.

2019-08-10 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach 

Bob,...

Such models - as strings  - that start and stop at a single monopole are 
obvious nonsense as per definition a monopole can only have starting 
points or termination points but not both independent of how small you 
make it. Otherwise you have to invent two different types of unconnected 
monopoles.. and yes what about the EM energy of the field will it just 
once "fly" from one monopole to the other??
Here a vibrating string is not allowed as a solution as it violates the 
monopole assumption...as the monopoles only can be connected if they 
exchange energy!! What leads to a one time pulsed monopole only!


Please also show the physics that inside the monopole generates the 
classic magnetic field? An EM field contains energy! How is it produced 
inside the monopole??


*I**see an other problem*. Does isolated charge really exist??

The latest modeling did show that at least in a nucleus charge is a 
topological effect and depends on rotating mass. This is what we learn 
from experiments that are conform with 1FC "spin-pairing like" orbits.


Thus the electron seems to be the only true charge (in our physics 
model) as it has no defined EM mass radius.


But here too I do believe that we can find a classic model that shows 
how charge is generate by nested EM flux.


Thus the other way round (no real charge) seems to be much more promising.

J.W.


Am 09.08.19 um 22:42 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com:


Andrew, Jones etal,--

The magnetic Aharonov–Bohm effect is also closely related to Dirac's 
 argument that the existence 
of a magnetic monopole 
 can be accommodated 
by the existing magnetic source-free Maxwell's equations 
 if both electric 
and magnetic charges are quantized.


A magnetic monopole implies a mathematical singularity in the vector 
potential, which can be expressed as a Dirac string 
 of infinitesimal diameter 
that contains the equivalent of all of the 4π/g/ flux from a monopole 
"charge" /g/. The Dirac string starts from, and terminates on, a 
magnetic monopole. Thus, assuming the absence of an infinite-range 
scattering effect by this arbitrary choice of singularity, the 
requirement of single-valued wave functions (as above) necessitates 
charge-quantization. That is, 2 q e q m ℏ c {\displaystyle 2{\frac 
{q_{\text{e}}q_{\text{m}}}{\hbar c}}} 2{\frac 
{q_{{\text{e}}}q_{{\text{m{\hbar c}}must be an integer (in cgs 
 units) for any electric 
charge /q/_e and magnetic charge /q/_m .


Like the electromagnetic potential 
 *A* the 
Dirac string is not gauge invariant (it moves around with fixed 
endpoints under a gauge transformation) and so is also not directly 
measurable.


Bob Cook

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*From:* JonesBeene 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 7, 2019 5:17:54 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com 
*Subject:* RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states

Andrew, Bob

A good paper on this subject (longitudinal waves)  is

“Unravelling the potentials puzzle and corresponding case for the 
scalar longitudinal electrodynamic wave”


Donald Reed 2019 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 1251 012043

Reed does not make the scalar to  neutrino connection, which  seems to 
serve the same purposes, which is to explore the line between what is 
real and what seems real because it balances equations.


The best thing one can say about QM is that it lends physical 
credulity to an imaginary world… but then again, what is real?


*From: *Andrew Meulenberg 

**

*….* At the short distance of deep-orbits from the nucleus, the 
neutrino (considered to be similar to photons) would be in the 
"longitudinal photon" mode




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RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states--interesting note in Wilipedia regarding A-B effect.

2019-08-09 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Andrew, Jones etal,--

The magnetic Aharonov–Bohm effect is also closely related to 
Dirac's argument that the existence 
of a magnetic monopole can be 
accommodated by the existing magnetic source-free Maxwell's 
equations if both electric 
and magnetic charges are quantized.

A magnetic monopole implies a mathematical singularity in the vector potential, 
which can be expressed as a Dirac 
string of infinitesimal diameter 
that contains the equivalent of all of the 4πg flux from a monopole "charge" g. 
The Dirac string starts from, and terminates on, a magnetic monopole. Thus, 
assuming the absence of an infinite-range scattering effect by this arbitrary 
choice of singularity, the requirement of single-valued wave functions (as 
above) necessitates charge-quantization. That is, 2 q e q m ℏ c {\displaystyle 
2{\frac {q_{\text{e}}q_{\text{m}}}{\hbar c}}} [2{\frac  
{q_{{\text{e}}}q_{{\text{m{\hbar c}}] must be an integer (in 
cgs units) for any electric 
charge qe and magnetic charge qm.

Like the electromagnetic 
potential A the Dirac 
string is not gauge invariant (it moves around with fixed endpoints under a 
gauge transformation) and so is also not directly measurable.
Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 5:17:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states

Andrew, Bob

A good paper on this subject (longitudinal waves)  is
“Unravelling the potentials puzzle and corresponding case for the scalar 
longitudinal electrodynamic wave”
Donald Reed 2019 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 1251 012043

Reed does not make the scalar to  neutrino connection, which  seems to serve 
the same purposes, which is to explore the line between what is real and what 
seems real because it balances equations.

The best thing one can say about QM is that it lends physical credulity to an 
imaginary world… but then again, what is real?

From: Andrew Meulenberg

…. At the short distance of deep-orbits from the nucleus, the neutrino 
(considered to be similar to photons) would be in the "longitudinal photon" mode