Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Up and running again. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ This now says only: Account Suspended This Account Has Been Suspended I suppose this is because they did not pay the ISP. Maybe not, because it costs little to maintain a web site these days. I pay for LENR-CANR.org once a year. My ISP bill comes due on April Fool's Day, which seems appropriate. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
From: Teslaalset Up and running again. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ FWIW: I accessed the website this morning myself. I got in but several seconds later I got the following warning message from my virus protection s/w. FYI, I use WEBROOT: *** This website has been reported as unsafe. We recommend that you don't continue to this website because it is reported to contain the following threats: Suspicious threat: This is a suspicious site. There is a higher than average probability that you will be exposed to malicious links or payloads. * Unlock page and continue *** This is the first time my WebRoot virus protection s/w has ever given me a direct warning after accessing a website. Of course, this doesn't prove anything. WebRoot did not give me any specifics. Nevertheless, from my perspective it was a totally unexpected. Regards, svjart.orionworks.com
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maybe hacked? 2014-04-14 14:27 GMT+02:00 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net: From: Teslaalset Up and running again. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ FWIW: I accessed the website this morning myself. I got in but several seconds later I got the following warning message from my virus protection s/w. FYI, I use WEBROOT: *** *This website has been reported as unsafe.* *We recommend that you don't continue to this website because it is reported to contain the following threats:* *Suspicious threat:* *This is a suspicious site. There is a higher than average probability that you will be exposed to malicious links or payloads.* ** Unlock page and continue* *** This is the first time my WebRoot virus protection s/w has ever given me a direct warning after accessing a website. Of course, this doesn't prove anything. WebRoot did not give me any specifics. Nevertheless, from my perspective it was a totally unexpected. Regards, svjart.orionworks.com
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Alien abduction? Can they do that to web sites? On Monday, April 14, 2014, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: maybe hacked? 2014-04-14 14:27 GMT+02:00 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','orionwo...@charter.net'); : From: Teslaalset Up and running again. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ FWIW: I accessed the website this morning myself. I got in but several seconds later I got the following warning message from my virus protection s/w. FYI, I use WEBROOT: *** *This website has been reported as unsafe.* *We recommend that you don't continue to this website because it is reported to contain the following threats:* *Suspicious threat:* *This is a suspicious site. There is a higher than average probability that you will be exposed to malicious links or payloads.* ** Unlock page and continue* *** This is the first time my WebRoot virus protection s/w has ever given me a direct warning after accessing a website. Of course, this doesn't prove anything. WebRoot did not give me any specifics. Nevertheless, from my perspective it was a totally unexpected. Regards, svjart.orionworks.com
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The MIT 2014 LENR Colloquium included in the agenda: Yiannis Hadjichristos Heat Energy from Hydrogen-Metal Interactions and the need for new Scientific Alliances but, I can't find anything on the web about the presentation. Does anyone have a reference? Hadjichristos cancelled at the last minute. The Colloquium organizers were upset by that. - Jed
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From Daniel: Alright, if Defkalion cannot answer for themselves, I am not going to do it anymore for free. I realize I'm probably misinterpreting the intent of your message, but the implication I'm making is that you may have been a paid shill for Defkalion. Needless to say, I do not believe that for one second. I don't believe English is your primary language so one must make allowances for that. FWIW, your English is pretty damned good. You recently asked me if why I seem to be talking back to you at you, as if you have no credibility or experience in cold fusion. Actually, It's quite likely that you have more CF knowledge than I. I'm not a scientist nor a CF researcher. I don't work for a patent office, like you do, either. I'm Just an interested observer with a plethora of eclectic and eccentric interests that occasionally causes me to focus in on this controversial matter. CF LENR is a fascinating subject. It's as much a sociological/political phenomenon as it is a scientific investigation in-progress. The politics involved are utterly fascinating... and unfortunately occasionally disgusting. What can I say. I'm hooked. Sometimes it's better that watching another episode of Game of Thrones. Who the hell is Mr. Martin going to kill off in this episode! Oh No! Not him!!! ;-) Let me try to conclude on a personal observation I've made concerning my own behavior actions. I have, at times, made excuses for the behavior actions others and the organizations they might run where excuses I later came to realize were not warranted. I did so because I believed in them or WANTED to believe in them and their organizations - to the point that I had acquired an almost religious-like faith in them - as if they could never do no wrong. One of the truths I've had to learn (a truth I'm STILL in the process of learning) is that most people... ALL people for that matter, are only human. To be human is to occasionally error. There is no fault in that. But as Scotty once said in one of the original Star Trek episodes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Who knows, perhaps DGT can redeem themselves. I'm cool with that. We'll see. PS: I hope you continue to make contributions. Having a dedicated individual like you on this list who works for the patent office can be insightful for the insights gleaned. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
Whois tells me they are hosted here: http://www.liquidweb.com/web-hosting/ The most expensive plan is $40 a month. I doubt they are so broke they can't even pay that. But who knows. They are not good at paying bills. The domain registry expires in 2016. The ISP Knowledge Base says: *Shared Hosting Disadvantages*: If the account bandwidth limit is exceeded the account is suspended until the end of the month, or until the account is upgraded. Liquid Web will not install 3rd party applications or scripts that require root level configurations, as the stability of the server could be affected. Because of the number of users all utilizing the same server Liquid Web is very proactive at suspending accounts that overload the server. Below is a small excerpt from the Liquid Web Shared Hosting Terms of Service covering limitations of resource usage: Limitations on Use*:* Any account using 15% or more of the server CPU or memory can be suspended and/or terminated. Any account that uses excessive amounts of bandwidth can and will be subjected to bandwidth throttling. I doubt they are getting a lot of traffic. The last I checked, they had only one page. - Jed
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What a crusade to badmouth DGT! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What a crusade to badmouth DGT! They are badmouthing themselves. All of their problems are of their own making. I and others bent over backwards to accommodate them, as described in Lewan's book. Anyway, this has nothing to do with that. I am just curious about this latest web-page problem. It is displaying /cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi, which is built into the ISP file structure. Some person or some event at the ISP triggered the redirect. It could be the files are corrupt or were accidentally erased, or some other temporary problem. It is not a server problem. This could be triggered by a DDoS attack but I doubt anyone would bother. - Jed
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Yes, and you make sure everyone knows and you drive your own conclusion as it can be noticed here: doubt they are getting a lot of traffic. The last I checked, they had only one page. One assumption is, you think the only thing they have host is that page. There are other assumptions. like they got a DDOS attack. Only assumptions. Or, they have investors, but are just working on a secured line with their costumers, so they abandoned the page. Or want more security by closing contacts until they finish developing and test their lastest iteration of the Hyperion. Maybe they do have people that want to spy them and were actually doing that. And so on. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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What's up with you, Rocha? Are you an investor in DGT? You are acting like a complete jack-ass to Rothwell. He is reporting facts and learned opinion here - in the interest for furthering LENR . while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. Why don't you pack up your anger and go somewhere else to vent. We do not need your constant bad-mouthing of honest opinion here. Jones From: Daniel Rocha Yes, and you make sure everyone knows and you drive your own conclusion as it can be noticed here: doubt they are getting a lot of traffic. The last I checked, they had only one page. One assumption is, you think the only thing they have host is that page. There are other assumptions. like they got a DDOS attack. Only assumptions. Or, they have investors, but are just working on a secured line with their costumers, so they abandoned the page. Or want more security by closing contacts until they finish developing and test their lastest iteration of the Hyperion. Maybe they do have people that want to spy them and were actually doing that. And so on. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. 2014-04-12 22:37 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Alright, if Defkalion cannot answer for themselves, I am not going to do it anymore for free. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: One assumption is, you think the only thing they have host is that page. That was the only thing visible on that server. There were not other pages, mail services, boards, or other visible pages. There are other assumptions. like they got a DDOS attack. Yes, that is what I said. It seems unlikely. They have very low traffic, according to Alexa and other services. Here's something interesting: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=www.defkalion-energy.com Only assumptions. Or, they have investors, but are just working on a secured line with their costumers, so they abandoned the page. If they had abandoned it, there would be another message. The registration still has a couple of years, as I said. Or want more security by closing contacts until they finish developing and test their lastest iteration of the Hyperion. The ISP would have no role in that. This was triggered by the ISP, on purpose or by accident. It could be a glitch. LENR-CANR.org has gone down for hours at a time for various reasons. In those cases you could not reach it at all. - Jed
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Fair enough. As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being a top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they received. We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers like a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants to bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming of course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management skills. From: Daniel Rocha No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. Jones Beene wrote: - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com attachment: winmail.dat
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Being without much money has no relationship to the validity of the engineering or the science of a project. Didn't Rossi sell his house to keep going? Did that low point in the man's financial life invalidate Rossi's project? Didn't people try to starve Rossi out as a business strategy? I am sure that there are people at DGT who have knowledge that will attract development money form many sources. This eventually proved true for Rossi. All the key players at DGT need to do is boil water is the proper way to validate their expertise and the money will come. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Alright, if Defkalion cannot answer for themselves, I am not going to do it anymore for free. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I value the discussions I have with Jed as a rare privilege in the same way that Bill Clinton valued his contact with JFK as a young man. The privilege of discussion with such emanates and illustrious personages as Jed and Ed Storms are a rare opportunity that the internet makes possible. I had many similar adversarial discussions with dr. Per Peterson of the Beckley criticizing Per's reactor designs when such criticism was required. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/People/Per_Peterson He was always gracious as all giants in their fields are. That is until I got band from that nuclear energy site for mentioning the possibility and validity of LENR. That blatant homage to pseudoscience was just too much. All my posts were removed and my name as well as all mention of LENR was eliminated from all storage and memory on that site. I hope such censorship and intolerance to ideas is uncommon here. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Fair enough. As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being a top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they received. We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers like a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants to bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming of course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management skills. From: Daniel Rocha No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. Jones Beene wrote: - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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*By the way, I can't wait to tell Per and all like him that his courses of study are no longer needed to be replaced by the department of LENR; and those obnoxious and arrogant nuclear reactor operators who think that they have a lock on certain and truth. * *Permanent unemployment for these types is called for as a lesson in humility. Am I bad?* On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I value the discussions I have with Jed as a rare privilege in the same way that Bill Clinton valued his contact with JFK as a young man. The privilege of discussion with such emanates and illustrious personages as Jed and Ed Storms are a rare opportunity that the internet makes possible. I had many similar adversarial discussions with dr. Per Peterson of the Beckley criticizing Per's reactor designs when such criticism was required. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/People/Per_Peterson He was always gracious as all giants in their fields are. That is until I got band from that nuclear energy site for mentioning the possibility and validity of LENR. That blatant homage to pseudoscience was just too much. All my posts were removed and my name as well as all mention of LENR was eliminated from all storage and memory on that site. I hope such censorship and intolerance to ideas is uncommon here. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Fair enough. As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being a top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they received. We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers like a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants to bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming of course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management skills. From: Daniel Rocha No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. Jones Beene wrote: - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended
The MIT 2014 LENR Colloquium included in the agenda: Yiannis Hadjichristos Heat Energy from Hydrogen-Metal Interactions and the need for new Scientific Alliances but, I can't find anything on the web about the presentation. Does anyone have a reference? Thanks!
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Axil-- The fission reactor guys are no different in their skeptopathic bias toward LENR than the hot fusion guys are. They both have cash cows in their barnyard that sadly give only sour milk--if any at all--it may be good for feeding pigs and most of them don't like it because it so sour. But their buddies in the government still support their barnyard business. Duping third world countries and waste management is their latest and last hope to keep the cash flowing. They are stringing it out as long as possible and at the greatest expense. Vitrification of high level radioactive waste at Hanford is a good example--$15Billion and counting--no end in sight. Hanford engineers designed and operated a pilot plant to solidify (calcine) the high level wastes with a projected cost of $26million for a production facility associated with PUREX in the late 1960's. The fission guys in the AEC decided that it was better to spend those $26millions on long lead equipment for the high temperature sodium fast neutron breeder Clinch River reactor. Those components ended up in a storage yard at Hanford and may still be there. That started a trend that it was better to waste money than use it for some good. The trend was needed to keep the nuclear tech guys employed. I would love to debate the waste management issues with Per and the issues associated with the development of new fission reactors. Japan and Germany may have finally gotten it right regarding the desirability of fission reactor energy. Bob . - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion web site account suspended By the way, I can't wait to tell Per and all like him that his courses of study are no longer needed to be replaced by the department of LENR; and those obnoxious and arrogant nuclear reactor operators who think that they have a lock on certain and truth. Permanent unemployment for these types is called for as a lesson in humility. Am I bad? On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I value the discussions I have with Jed as a rare privilege in the same way that Bill Clinton valued his contact with JFK as a young man. The privilege of discussion with such emanates and illustrious personages as Jed and Ed Storms are a rare opportunity that the internet makes possible. I had many similar adversarial discussions with dr. Per Peterson of the Beckley criticizing Per's reactor designs when such criticism was required. http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/People/Per_Peterson He was always gracious as all giants in their fields are. That is until I got band from that nuclear energy site for mentioning the possibility and validity of LENR. That blatant homage to pseudoscience was just too much. All my posts were removed and my name as well as all mention of LENR was eliminated from all storage and memory on that site. I hope such censorship and intolerance to ideas is uncommon here. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Fair enough. As long as you have no financial interest, your opinion is as valid as any other educated observer here, but at least give Rothwell credit for being a top expert, held in high regard on this list - having been involved for several decades with no bias, and having never shown prejudice in the past for companies or inventors who did not deserve the criticism they received. We all must realize that any form of alternative energy draws scammers like a magnet, and DGT was from the very first report associated with a list of unsavory characters - which you may not remember, and which no one wants to bring up again, as it is not relevant to the situation today... assuming of course that they have anything like the technology they claim... which I think they may have. What they seem to lack is top level management skills. From: Daniel Rocha No, I am not investor. But I know enough of DGT to know that they might save the world. But why isn't my opinion honest? Why can't I putting him down? I Why can't I shill? If I think Defkalion is going to save the world, why can't I give counter points? Remember that this forum can be viewed by anyone, it's open. So, it's important to give him counter points. Jones Beene wrote: - in the interest for furthering LENR ... while you are acting like little more than a shill, and putting him down with every post. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion web site changed a little
Does this mean they found that check which was lost in the mail ? :-) From: Jed Rothwell See: http://defkalion-energy.com/ Some text was added, as follows: January 16, 2014 We are pleased to announce that our timetable for 2014 is as follows: Currently we are developing our R 6 technology in our three laboratories. We are doing this using robust calorimetric methods, without the use of water coolant, based on both positive and negative experiences we have gained. Concurrently we are finalizing the heat management and control electronic subsystems for the final pre-industrial prototype. Several third party independent tests from international organizations, universities and teams are expected to present their results thus verifying our recent technological and scientific breakthroughs. Accordingly we expect the commercialization of our technologies in the 3rd quarter of 2014. For further inquiries please contact us through our offices Canadian Office: Suite 204, 2389 Health Sciences Mall (UBC) Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z3 Tel: +1 604 683 European Office: Syggrou Av Ymittou 2-4, Palaio Faliro, 17564, Athens, Greece Tel. +302109479260 Please note our site is currently under construction
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Registered for the forum. Now, let's hope for useful information straight from Defkalion's mouths. All posts await moderation, though; I'd imagine skeptical questions that they don't like may get cast into an atomic dustbin. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:03:02 +0300 From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site This morning the Defkalion website became functional. Registrationnecessary.. Info re Products and RD. In construction, still.Peter -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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I consider that apart of questioning, perhaps we could help them,. They are at the interface with the customers and their success depends on the performances and reliability of the E-cats- now Hyperions. It is not easy to transform/.apply a brand new energy source - for example in a home heater as say Bosch 3000W- automated hot water for heat exchangers when it is cold, hot water for washing when desired. The device costs some 700 euro and consumes natural gas for some 300 euro pro year, it is reliable and versatile- has a good infrastructure/. The development department of the Defkalion company has a herculean task. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Registered for the forum. Now, let's hope for useful information straight from Defkalion's mouths. All posts await moderation, though; I'd imagine skeptical questions that they don't like may get cast into an atomic dustbin. -- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:03:02 +0300 From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site This morning the Defkalion website became functional. Registration necessary.. Info re Products and RD. In construction, still. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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On 2011-06-23 08:03, Peter Gluck wrote: This morning the Defkalion website became functional. Registration necessary.. Info re Products and RD. In construction, still. Defkalion Green Technologies white paper: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/White%20Paper_DGT.pdf Cheers, S.A.
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I love it : All products are plug-and-play. T
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plug-and-play ? They do have to meet Microsoft certification :) 2011/6/23 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com I love it : All products are plug-and-play. T
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-Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa Defkalion Green Technologies white paper: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/White%20Paper_DGT.pdf I was hoping for actual photographs of their prototypes. None there, but they do mention getting away from water/steam and going to a heat transfer fluid and a large thermal store. So far, so good. Jones
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: None there, but they do mention getting away from water/steam and going to a heat transfer fluid and a large thermal store. I mentioned Thermisol on their forum and got this response from someone tagged as farshooter: therminol (monsanto) is not a good choice. I have used fot 35+ years, it is a fire hazard , polution hazard and, and has a max useful temp of just over 600 Deg F. You need to design your faciliy to be explosion proof. end
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned Thermisol ThermiNol. Fat fingers.
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Terry, There is an improved version from another company: http://www.solutia.com/en/SolarEnergy.aspx quote: Therminol(r), the world leader in high-temperature synthetic heat transfer fluids, can be used in numerous applications including renewable energy technologies such as solar and biodiesel, manufacturing processes, waste heat transfer, pharmaceuticals, specialty chemicals and oil and gas processing. It all depends on the design goals and the temperature range of the E-Cat, since you want a low pressure system, at the highest possible temperature. Glycol is cheaper, but lower performance, and if it is satisfactory - that means that they have chosen a lower range of operating temperatures - below 200C. It also means that they have probably given up (at least at this early stage of development) on the possibility of efficient conversion of the heat to electricity. That would be expected at the initial stages - since the engineering required to convert heat efficiently is more demanding. They will probably license that task out to companies that are specialists. Jones -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton I mentioned Thermisol on their forum and got this response from someone tagged as farshooter: therminol (monsanto) is not a good choice. I have used fot 35+ years, it is a fire hazard, polution hazard and, and has a max useful temp of just over 600 DegF. You needto design your faciliy to be explosion proof. attachment: winmail.dat
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From Jones: ... It also means that they have probably given up (at least at this early stage of development) on the possibility of efficient conversion of the heat to electricity. That would be expected at the initial stages - since the engineering required to convert heat efficiently is more demanding. They will probably license that task out to companies that are specialists. I agree with this assessment. Many wish Rossi's e-cats would be efficient enough to generate electricity RIGHT NOW, but that simply isn't in the cards. I bet they COULD but it would be unpredictable dangerous to do so insofar as selling such configurations to the general public. If they can get the catalizers to act as efficient building heaters, the obvious next goal would be to begin intense RD on electrical conversion. But alas, I suspect few have a clue as to the actual physics involved. Makes me think of the movie: Quest for Fire. Seems very appropriate here! Defkalion seems to be approaching the exploitation of the Rossi effect cautiously. That's smart. Should help cut down on potential lawsuits possibly due to unanticipated/unspecified injuries. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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I guess it means sets of 20'' containers.
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Hi, On 23-6-2011 18:23, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: If they can get the catalizers to act as efficient building heaters, the obvious next goal would be to begin intense RD on electrical conversion. For the conversion to electricity, it should be first determined which method to follow. A couple come in mind: - TEG - Steam turbine - Stirling engine From those above I have the impression that Rossi seems to prefer the Stirling engine. Well he's in luck as actually these types of systems are already albeit in low volumes used for conventional heating systems in the Netherlands and Belgium. See also second column (MEC) on the following page http://www.microchap.info/stirling_engine.htm One of the companies who produces these is Vaillant. Promotional video of a vaillant boiler including stirling engine with design-layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygg7NqLGgCQ As you can see it is absolutely feasible to have very fast a combined system on the market. Maybe a suggestion for Rossi or Defkalion to start some kind of cooperation with one of these companies to develop and produce a combined heater and CHP system. Kind regards, MoB
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How about this: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-source-green-electricity.html ?
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Daniel said: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container I guess it means sets of 20'' containers. That's not how I would interpret the meaning. I perceive no plural interpretation within the sentence structure. But who knows. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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They are distancing themselves from LENR... Note last sentence. Many have labeled Cold Fusion with positive and negative connotations. It has also been referred to as LENR and CANR. Most of these terms hold behind them thousands of hours of research work, all hoping to achieve the ultimate energy dream: limitless energy. However, overall, a stigma has created ambiguous feelings of aiming to reach the end of the rainbow. The science behind the products of Defkalion is none of the above, even though it is identified as such in current media coverage. They're just calling it a, Ni-H Exothermic reaction -Mark -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:43 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:DEFKALION web-site Reading the White Paper, On page six it sez: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container That's inches... right! If that is correct, wow! That's small! Significantly smaller than prior speculation on the 1 MW contraption. It's the size of a hefty microwave oven, or compact refrigerator. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Hi, On 23-6-2011 18:42, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container I guess this is again a European typo, I read somewhere else 20 feet (which is, as you may know one of the predefined lengths for cargo containers on ships/trucks/trains) They'd better say the size in meters/kgs/Centigrades etc. and forget about imperial measures. Kind regards, MoB
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From Bridges: All MW range products are built within a 20 sized container I guess this is again a European typo, I read somewhere else 20 feet (which is, as you may know one of the predefined lengths for cargo containers on ships/trucks/trains) They'd better say the size in meters/kgs/Centigrades etc. and forget about imperial measures. Good assessment. I agree. They should stick with using the same unit of measurement - especially within the same document... in adjacent sentences. Very confusing. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Hi, On 23-6-2011 18:52, Daniel Rocha wrote: How about this: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-source-green-electricity.html * *Ok, looks interesting, but two comments: 1. Quote: This revolutionary energy conversion method is in the early stages of development When do they think they can commercialize it? (This usually takes approx. 5-10 years) 2. What is it's efficiency? (is it higher than TEG?, which is only approx. 2-3%) Kind regards, MoB * * **
