Re: [Vo]:Defkalion NIWeek slides
That URL points on your filesystem, we can't see it! mic 2012/8/14 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I think others have posted this inside other threads . . . Anyway, see: file:///home/chronos/user/Downloads/2012-08-08_NIWeek_%20Defkalion%20Technical%20presentation_%20J%20Hadjichristos%20(1).pdf
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion NIWeek slides
Oops! Sorry. That is my local computer address. The original was linked here: http://lenrnews.eu/?p=592 PDF file here: https://dl.dropbox.com/sh/y5mya5l03zg968c/3Vzp4CJFmA/2012-08-13%20ICCF-17__Paper_DGTGx.pdf?dl=1 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion NIWeek slides
Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. Also, they did not find Triton, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. So, they claim things completely different from any group before them. They are sloppy and illogical . I am completely confused. Maybe they do not have good intentions, after all? 2012/8/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Oops! Sorry. That is my local computer address. The original was linked here: http://lenrnews.eu/?p=592 PDF file here: https://dl.dropbox.com/sh/y5mya5l03zg968c/3Vzp4CJFmA/2012-08-13%20ICCF-17__Paper_DGTGx.pdf?dl=1 - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion NIWeek slides
isotope analysis anno 2012: Just put your stuff out on the street. If it gets stolen, it contained copper. On 08/13/2012 09:55 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. Also, they did not find Triton, He3 or He4 among the light elements. They found lithium, beryllium and boron, though. So, they claim things completely different from any group before them. They are sloppy and illogical . I am completely confused. Maybe they do not have good intentions, after all? 2012/8/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com Oops! Sorry. That is my local computer address. The original was linked here: http://lenrnews.eu/?p=592 PDF file here: https://dl.dropbox.com/sh/y5mya5l03zg968c/3Vzp4CJFmA/2012-08-13%20ICCF-17__Paper_DGTGx.pdf?dl=1 - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion NIWeek slides
. They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. . In the paper they clearly state, and I quote: We have positive results, presented in this paper, from the analysis of NAE with XRF and isotopic mass-spectrometry-ICPMS methods before and after any such LENR of transmutations in: • Fe-Co-Ni-Cu-Zn and K-Ca , with ppm changes higher than any instrumental analysis error factor • Li-Be-B species not present before the LENR, detected only by isotopic distract analysis methods (ICPMS). Any other species (D/T, He or others) were impossible to be traced maybe due to the very short period of their half time. In other words they claim transmutations in Fe, Co, Ni, Cu, etc. and this can be clearly seen in the before and after XRF analysis tables (although I'm not sure why they cite different run numbers in the 2 tables).
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion NIWeek slides
From the paper, It is not clear to me if they used isotopic ratio mass spectroscopy, which means, it seems did not try to determine the isotopes, they just plotted the variation of the mass of the samples with great accuracy. It's not possible to figure out if the samples were contaminated. It seems they used this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry When they should have also used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope-ratio_mass_spectrometry Their data on small mass elements is still crazy, just with the crude method. This is unlike anything that was seen before, as far as I know. 2012/8/14 Franco Talari franco.tal...@gmail.com . They said they did no isotope analysis, yet they said there was no transmutation of Ni. I don't know how could they conclude that. . In the paper they clearly state, and I quote: We have positive results, presented in this paper, from the analysis of NAE with XRF and isotopic mass-spectrometry-ICPMS methods before and after any such LENR of transmutations in: • Fe-Co-Ni-Cu-Zn and K-Ca , with ppm changes higher than any instrumental analysis error factor • Li-Be-B species not present before the LENR, detected only by isotopic distract analysis methods (ICPMS). Any other species (D/T, He or others) were impossible to be traced maybe due to the very short period of their half time. In other words they claim transmutations in Fe, Co, Ni, Cu, etc. and this can be clearly seen in the before and after XRF analysis tables (although I'm not sure why they cite different run numbers in the 2 tables). -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
