RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil-

A rotating barrel of colored balls doe mot come close to a QM system which cane 
be described by equations that indicate a balance of kinetic (spin) energy and 
potential energy of magnetic dipoles that exist in quantized bits of angular 
momentum, a vector parameter.

We seem to have two concepts of a QM system at odds with each other.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:42 PM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3HlA_9968

Consider a quantum system of a mix of a barrel of balls of many colors. The 
barrel is spinning and the balls are being mixed. While the balls are all being 
mixed, the color of the solution or final state of the system is not known. To 
observe the state (color) that the system is in, the barrel must be stopped 
from rotating and the observer must extract a colored ball from the stationary 
barrel. The color of that ball is the resolution of the observation.

The condition of many colored balls is called superposition. A system can be 
many things all at the same time and that system changes among those many 
conditions at random from one instant to the next. A system may resolve into 
one of these many states when the system terminates (The barrel stops rotating) 
and the color of the selected ball is observed.

Quantum mechanics does not follow the scientific method, it is not 
reductionist. It is a system that follows probability because randomization 
among many possible states is involved

“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His 
own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other 
players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant 
of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a 
Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.”





On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:30 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil Axil—

I consider the physics discussed in the items you have referenced do not have a 
logical basis, since there is no assumption of cause and effect.  This  
situation avoid the application of the scientific method IMHO.

SMOKE AND MIRROWS come to mind.  A better summary than
energy being coughed up by the vacuum would be the “hand of God”  takes charge 
of the collapse of QM systems when humans look too closely.


Bob Cook














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From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:11 AM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are confined to 
a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that nuclear reaction is not 
possible to observe. This means that if particles are generated and energy is 
produced, those particles and that energy is not observable to the observer. 
This is known as the "Measurement problem".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8

After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum system 
becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But this energy is 
not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum as rendered by "vacuum 
decay" where a small amount of residual energy and matter stored in the quantum 
system is released in a disruptive process of system disintegration and 
therefore such residual matter and energy becomes  observable.

There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in which the 
quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of stored residual matter 
and energy that is released during the destruction of the erstwhile quantum 
system.

If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was 
coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a fool's errand 
to try to make sence of the quantum processes that had occured when the quantum 
system was coherent. This observation and its understanding is not possible 
because the expectations of the classical world do not apply to the processes 
that were quantum coherent and rendered unobservable.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and 
operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target 
isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the 
differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resona

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It seems correct that Jurg made the comment which I also agree is valid.

Bob Cooks

From: Robin<mailto:mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:33:39 
+:
Hi Bob,
>Robin-
>
>You make a significant statement:
>
>” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Actually I didn't make that statement, I simply pointed to a website that I 
believe belongs to the author of the paper.
The original statement was made by Jürg.
Nevertheless, I strongly suspect that he is at least close to correct.

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Lennart Thornros]

Hi guys long time,
Your discussion of gravity is way over my paygrade. However, if gravity is
such a power , how can the two bodies of the esrth on one side and the O2
molecule keep together. In other words why do the gases in the atmosphere
stay there. I was told in school that nature hates emptiness. Why don't our
atmosphere go away to the vast emptyness?
It doesn't.  So my thinking is we have an electric field keeping the gases
in plsce. Well, that might be wrong. Hannes Alfven had a theory I  can see
being plausible. Just let me know the answer.
Lennart

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 18:16 Robin  wrote:

> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2021
> 20:33:39 +:
> Hi Bob,
> >Robin-
> >
> >You make a significant statement:
> >
> >” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”
>
> Actually I didn't make that statement, I simply pointed to a website that
> I believe belongs to the author of the paper.
> The original statement was made by Jürg.
> Nevertheless, I strongly suspect that he is at least close to correct.
>
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Robin]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:33:39 
+:
Hi Bob,
>Robin-
>
>You make a significant statement:
>
>” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Actually I didn't make that statement, I simply pointed to a website that I 
believe belongs to the author of the paper.
The original statement was made by Jürg.
Nevertheless, I strongly suspect that he is at least close to correct.

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin-

You make a significant statement:

” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Gravity is the attractive force between  2 or more populations of randomly 
oriented  magnetic dipoles lie those found in nucleons.

This was pointed by Romanian phyusists in a 2019 paper housed in the Cornell 
University technical paper archive.



Bob Cook

--
From: Robin<mailto:mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:34:22 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer
>
>https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjW9tb_iM_0AhUjhv0HHUXXAxsQFnoECBQQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fdocplayer.net%2F83778110-Aes-2016-malaga-spain.html=AOvVaw196fS5Fh4R7wyXL9k0Gf9q
>--> "Electromagnetic Nuclear Physics"

See also http://thestrongforce.canalblog.com
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3HlA_9968

Consider a quantum system of a mix of a barrel of balls of many colors. The
barrel is spinning and the balls are being mixed. While the balls are all
being mixed, the color of the solution or final state of the system is not
known. To observe the state (color) that the system is in, the barrel must
be stopped from rotating and the observer must extract a colored ball from
the stationary barrel. The color of that ball is the resolution of the
observation.

The condition of many colored balls is called superposition. A system can
be many things all at the same time and that system changes among those
many conditions at random from one instant to the next. A system may
resolve into one of these many states when the system terminates (The
barrel stops rotating) and the color of the selected ball is observed.

Quantum mechanics does not follow the scientific method, it is not
reductionist. It is a system that follows probability because randomization
among many possible states is involved

“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of
His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of
the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and
complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for
infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who *smiles
all the time*.”





On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:30 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Axil Axil—
>
>
>
> I consider the physics discussed in the items you have referenced do not
> have a logical basis, since there is no assumption of cause and effect.
> This  situation avoid the application of the scientific method IMHO.
>
>
>
> SMOKE AND MIRROWS come to mind.  A better summary than
>
> energy being coughed up by the vacuum would be the “hand of God”  takes
> charge of the collapse of QM systems when humans look too closely.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Axil Axil 
> *Sent: *Monday, December 6, 2021 2:11 AM
> *To: *vortex-l 
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion
>
>
>
> Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are
> confined to a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that
> nuclear reaction is not possible to observe. This means that if particles
> are generated and energy is produced, those particles and that energy is
> not observable to the observer. This is known as the "Measurement problem".
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8
>
>
>
> After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum system
> becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But this energy
> is not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum as rendered by
> "vacuum decay" where a small amount of residual energy and matter stored in
> the quantum system is released in a disruptive process of
> system disintegration and therefore such residual matter and energy
> becomes  observable.
>
>
>
> There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in which
> the quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of stored residual
> matter and energy that is released during the destruction of the erstwhile
> quantum system.
>
>
>
> If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was
> coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a fool's
> errand to try to make sence of the quantum processes that had occured when
> the quantum system was coherent. This observation and its understanding is
> not possible because the expectations of the classical world do not apply
> to the processes that were quantum coherent and rendered unobservable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and
> operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.
>
>
>
> A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target
> isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the
> differential energy between the 2 states.
>
>
>
> A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resonant
> to react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.
>
>
>
> The magnetic is shut off and the target isotope returns to is grouind
> state with the emission

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Robin]

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:34:22 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer
>
>https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjW9tb_iM_0AhUjhv0HHUXXAxsQFnoECBQQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fdocplayer.net%2F83778110-Aes-2016-malaga-spain.html=AOvVaw196fS5Fh4R7wyXL9k0Gf9q
> 
>--> "Electromagnetic Nuclear Physics"

See also http://thestrongforce.canalblog.com
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil—

I consider the physics discussed in the items you have referenced do not have a 
logical basis, since there is no assumption of cause and effect.  This  
situation avoid the application of the scientific method IMHO.

SMOKE AND MIRROWS come to mind.  A better summary than
energy being coughed up by the vacuum would be the “hand of God”  takes charge 
of the collapse of QM systems when humans look too closely.


Bob Cook














Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:11 AM
To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are confined to 
a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that nuclear reaction is not 
possible to observe. This means that if particles are generated and energy is 
produced, those particles and that energy is not observable to the observer. 
This is known as the "Measurement problem".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8

After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum system 
becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But this energy is 
not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum as rendered by "vacuum 
decay" where a small amount of residual energy and matter stored in the quantum 
system is released in a disruptive process of system disintegration and 
therefore such residual matter and energy becomes  observable.

There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in which the 
quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of stored residual matter 
and energy that is released during the destruction of the erstwhile quantum 
system.

If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was 
coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a fool's errand 
to try to make sence of the quantum processes that had occured when the quantum 
system was coherent. This observation and its understanding is not possible 
because the expectations of the classical world do not apply to the processes 
that were quantum coherent and rendered unobservable.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and 
operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target 
isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the 
differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resonant to 
react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.

The magnetic is shut off and the target isotope returns to is grouind state 
with the emission of a photon to conserve energy and angular momentum of the QM 
system.

LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS ARE REAL .   A RECOIL OF THE ISOTOPE OCCURS WHEN 
THE PHIOTON IS EMITTED TO CONSERVE MOMENTOM.  angular IS ALSO CONSERVED BY THE 
PHOTON AS I RECALL.

Bob Cook

PS:  My work with NMR was 60 years ago in 19621.


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From: Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:59:44 PM
To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a change in 
the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy changes, the 
nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding energy is oftentimes 
carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.

If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are to be 
expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and still is a 
major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science community that the 
nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.

By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his Reaction 
has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what Holmlid was seeing 
were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as detected by Sveinn Ólafsson 
's cloud chamber.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

Axil,



You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter physics.

A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe that 
mass at rest can produce this???





J.W.
On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma radiation is 
coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with particle 
emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well de

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Besides a lot of Axilian word salad we have to note that::


Nuclear reactions do not at all follow the law of quantum mechanics. QM 
is a first order approximation for the far field *potential interaction* 
only. QM is an engineering theory and for this purpose it works well enough.



After 100 year failure to find any QM connection for nuclear processes I 
sometimes wonder why people still uphold this fringe approach.


The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer

https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjW9tb_iM_0AhUjhv0HHUXXAxsQFnoECBQQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fdocplayer.net%2F83778110-Aes-2016-malaga-spain.html=AOvVaw196fS5Fh4R7wyXL9k0Gf9q 
--> "Electromagnetic Nuclear Physics"



Same for QM like orbits of nuclear orbital charge. See Sardin: 
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330825167


Charge structure is toroidal!

J.W.

On 06.12.2021 11:11, Axil Axil wrote:
Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are 
confined to a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that 
nuclear reaction is not possible to observe. This means that if 
particles are generated and energy is produced, those particles and 
that energy is not observable to the observer. This is known as the 
"Measurement problem".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8

After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum 
system becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But 
this energy is not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum 
as rendered by "vacuum decay" where a small amount of residual energy 
and matter stored in the quantum system is released in a disruptive 
process of system disintegration and therefore such residual matter 
and energy becomes  observable.


There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in 
which the quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of 
stored residual matter and energy that is released during the 
destruction of the erstwhile quantum system.


If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was 
coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a 
fool's errand to try to make sence of the quantum processes that 
had occured when the quantum system was coherent. This observation and 
its understanding is not possible because the expectations of the 
classical world do not apply to the processes that were quantum 
coherent and rendered unobservable.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:


Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn
and operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical
business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a
target isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in
resonance with the differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a
resonant to react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.

The magnetic is shut off and the target isotope returns to is
grouind state with the emission of a photon to conserve energy and
angular momentum of the QM system.

LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS ARE REAL .   A RECOIL OF THE ISOTOPE
OCCURS WHEN THE PHIOTON IS EMITTED TO CONSERVE MOMENTOM.  angular
IS ALSO CONSERVED BY THE PHOTON AS I RECALL.

Bob Cook

PS:  My work with NMR was 60 years ago in 19621.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for Windows


*From:* Axil Axil 
*Sent:* Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:59:44 PM
    *To:* vortex-l 
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion
Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from
a change in the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding
energy changes, the nucleus will become unstable where the
liberated binding energy is oftentimes carried away by a
particle(s) exiting the nucleus.

If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle
emissions are to be expected. The lack of particle emissions in
the Reaction was and still is a major factor in the lack of
acceptance by the science community that the nuclear based
explanation of  the Reaction is real.

By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by
his Reaction has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like
what Holmlid was seeing were EVOs produced by the ultra dense
hydrogen as detected by Sveinn Ólafsson 's cloud chamber.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
wrote:

Axil,


You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense
matter physics.

A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you
  

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are confined
to a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that nuclear reaction is
not possible to observe. This means that if particles are generated and
energy is produced, those particles and that energy is not observable to
the observer. This is known as the "Measurement problem".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8

After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum system
becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But this energy
is not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum as rendered by
"vacuum decay" where a small amount of residual energy and matter stored in
the quantum system is released in a disruptive process of
system disintegration and therefore such residual matter and energy
becomes  observable.

There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in which
the quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of stored residual
matter and energy that is released during the destruction of the erstwhile
quantum system.

If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was
coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a fool's
errand to try to make sence of the quantum processes that had occured when
the quantum system was coherent. This observation and its understanding is
not possible because the expectations of the classical world do not apply
to the processes that were quantum coherent and rendered unobservable.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and
> operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.
>
>
>
> A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target
> isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the
> differential energy between the 2 states.
>
>
>
> A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resonant
> to react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.
>
>
>
> The magnetic is shut off and the target isotope returns to is grouind
> state with the emission of a photon to conserve energy and angular momentum
> of the QM system.
>
>
>
> LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS ARE REAL .   A RECOIL OF THE ISOTOPE OCCURS
> WHEN THE PHIOTON IS EMITTED TO CONSERVE MOMENTOM.  angular IS ALSO
> CONSERVED BY THE PHOTON AS I RECALL.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> PS:  My work with NMR was 60 years ago in 19621.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
> ----------
> *From:* Axil Axil 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:59:44 PM
> *To:* vortex-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion
>
> Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a
> change in the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy
> changes, the nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding
> energy is oftentimes carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.
>
> If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are to
> be expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and still
> is a major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science community that
> the nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.
>
> By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his
> Reaction has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what Holmlid
> was seeing were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as detected by 
> Sveinn
> Ólafsson 's cloud chamber.
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>
> Axil,
>
>
> You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter
> physics.
>
> A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe
> that mass at rest can produce this???
>
>
>
> J.W.
> On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma
> radiation is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with
> particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined
> particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is being produced. Keep
> in mind that high energy radiation can be produced by breaking radiation
> from high energy electrons. These high energy electron based wide
> continuous spectrum reactions are not necessarily nuclear reactions.
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>
> May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose
>
>
> J.W.
> On 04.12.2021 18:59

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and 
operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target 
isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the 
differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resonant to 
react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.

The magnetic is shut off and the target isotope returns to is grouind state 
with the emission of a photon to conserve energy and angular momentum of the QM 
system.

LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS ARE REAL .   A RECOIL OF THE ISOTOPE OCCURS WHEN 
THE PHIOTON IS EMITTED TO CONSERVE MOMENTOM.  angular IS ALSO CONSERVED BY THE 
PHOTON AS I RECALL.

Bob Cook

PS:  My work with NMR was 60 years ago in 19621.


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From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 5:59:44 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a change in 
the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy changes, the 
nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding energy is oftentimes 
carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.

If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are to be 
expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and still is a 
major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science community that the 
nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.

By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his Reaction 
has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what Holmlid was seeing 
were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as detected by Sveinn Ólafsson 
's cloud chamber.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

Axil,


You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter physics.

A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe that 
mass at rest can produce this???



J.W.

On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma radiation is 
coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with particle 
emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined particle emissions. Also 
explain how the reaction is being produced. Keep in mind that high energy 
radiation can be produced by breaking radiation from high energy electrons. 
These high energy electron based wide continuous spectrum reactions are not 
necessarily nuclear reactions.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:

May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose


J.W.

On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:

Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Axil, as said stop this unfounded postings about particles.

In LENR we only see stable targets of any reaction. Thus no unstable 
nuclei are produced in most cases. The only thing what might happen is 
beta +- decay of an intermediate.


If 2 D* fuse to 4-He then no momentum exists. So no particle is allowed 
to carry away the energy. This D*-D* ==> 4-He is the main LENR reaction.


With the help of new physics we could show that magnetic gamma states 
can act like antennas and are able to carry away fusion energy of D*-D*. 
Michael Swarz could also identify an other path as he measured the 
hyper-fine structure frequency of Deuterium in his reaction.



Holmlid is quite a different story as his cluster fusion reaction 9H ==> 
2 4-He + K^+ ,K^0 disposes its energy in cracking a proton.


Nuclear physics is about "magnet mass resonance". Potentials play no role.

J.W.


On 05.12.2021 02:59, Axil Axil wrote:
Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a 
change in the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy 
changes, the nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding 
energy is oftentimes carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.


If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are 
to be expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and 
still is a major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science 
community that the nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.


By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his 
Reaction has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what 
Holmlid was seeing were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as 
detected by Sveinn Ólafsson 's cloud chamber.


On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

Axil,


You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense
matter physics.

A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you
believe that mass at rest can produce
this???



J.W.

On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:

Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma
radiation is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is
associated with particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce
well defined particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is
being produced. Keep in mind that high energy radiation can be
produced by breaking radiation from high energy electrons. These
high energy electron based wide continuous spectrum reactions are
not necessarily nuclear reactions.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach
 wrote:

May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose


J.W.

On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300
active lines from a cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially
if the gamma lines support a theory


-- 
Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

-- 
Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

t;
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without
> basis IMHOP.
>
>
>
> I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy
> of an entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM
> conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.
>
>
>
> The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits
> radiant (NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy
> of the new nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.
>
>
>
> The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.
>
>
>
> The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary
> phonic and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a
> controlling magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.
>
>
>
> This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal
> grain size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene 
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion
>
>
>
>
>
> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>
>
>
> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from
> a cold fusion reaction...
>
> -
>
>
>
> Is this work published?
>
>
>
> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma
> lines support a theory
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a change
in the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy changes, the
nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding energy is
oftentimes carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.

If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are to
be expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and still
is a major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science community that
the nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.

By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his
Reaction has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what Holmlid
was seeing were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as detected by Sveinn
Ólafsson 's cloud chamber.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> Axil,
>
>
> You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter
> physics.
>
> A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe
> that mass at rest can produce this???
>
>
>
> J.W.
> On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma
> radiation is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with
> particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined
> particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is being produced. Keep
> in mind that high energy radiation can be produced by breaking radiation
> from high energy electrons. These high energy electron based wide
> continuous spectrum reactions are not necessarily nuclear reactions.
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>
>> May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose
>>
>>
>> J.W.
>> On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>>
>> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from
>> a cold fusion reaction...
>> -
>>
>> Is this work published?
>>
>> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma
>> lines support a theory
>>
>> --
>> Jürg Wyttenbach
>> Bifangstr. 22
>> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>>
>> +41 44 760 14 18
>> +41 79 246 36 06
>>
>> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Axil,


You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter 
physics.


A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe 
that mass at rest can produce this???




J.W.

On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma 
radiation is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated 
with particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined 
particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is being produced. 
Keep in mind that high energy radiation can be produced by breaking 
radiation from high energy electrons. These high energy electron based 
wide continuous spectrum reactions are not necessarily nuclear reactions.


On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose


J.W.

On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active
lines from a cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the
gamma lines support a theory


-- 
Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil wrote:
“We went through this before regarding ferrosilicon production. The "reaction" 
does not produce any energy as well as radiation and particles.

Recently. to support my claim that transmutation is not energy generation 
productive, in the post titled "LENR transmutation may be subject to quantum 
mechanical superposition," I reference the production of ferrosilicon in India 
as an example of massive transmutation with little if no excess energy 
production.

See

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf”


Page 8 of the report cited in Axil Axil’s comment is copied  hereafter:

>>>>>8. Remarks on Possible Future Studies Unfortunately Silcal operations were 
>>>>>severely crippled by power cuts ranging from 30 to 100% and frequent power 
>>>>> nterruptions from 1996 onwards till 1999. Following a dispute regarding 
>>>>>violation of Power Tariff agreement with the state government and 
>>>>>withdrawal of exemptions from power cut for our industry, the Silcal plant 
>>>>>had to be shut down in 2002 and the company wound up in 2010. This was an 
>>>>>inevitable consequence of the fact that cost of electrical power consumed 
>>>>>forms a substantial component of the net cost of production of Fe–Si alloy 
>>>>>by the smelting process What has been has been observed by us in our plant 
>>>>>may be considered to be only partial transmutation of the C and O present 
>>>>>in the reaction zone into Si and Fe. As such we were making attempts to 
>>>>>attain 100% transmutation of all the carbon and oxygen nuclei present in 
>>>>>the input feed, from 1995 to 2002. For the last 15 years, we have been 
>>>>>contemplating various ways of improving the technology, hoping to move 
>>>>>towards achieving 100% transmutations. We do believe that we now have 
>>>>>the design and operational parameters for such an improved plant design. 
>>>>>If we had carried out isotopic analysis of the produced Fe–Si alloy it 
>>>>>would have given us very valuable clues. We deeply regret not having 
>>>>>thought of doing this those days. We are meanwhile continuing efforts to 
>>>>>try and set up a new plant where these transmutation results could be 
>>>>>replicated once again. The objective of this paper is to share our 
>>>>>findings with the LENR community, with the hope that operators of sim- 
>>>>>ilar plants elsewhere in the world, especially in Norway, could be 
>>>>>encouraged to look for the occurrence of anomalous production of Si and Fe 
>>>>>in similar submerged arc furnace smelting plants. On our part we shall be 
>>>>>most happy to shareour results and experience in a true scientific spirit 
>>>>>with anyone interested.<<<<<<

My second sentence of my comments to Axil Axil  is not clear and may have been 
misunderstood.

I have modified this sentence with bold font  as follows:

The increase  in  phonic kinetic energy of an atomic system of electrons  is 
subsequently emitted as  low  energy radiation  (NON-GAMMA)  with a resulting 
decrease of the total energy of the new nuclear configuration—a nuclear 
transmutation.

The Indian paper cited by Axil Axil seems to recognize the potential of  
increased smelting process heat, but does not address  the QM system with a 
phase change and subsequent release of phonic kinetic energy.

Bob Cook

_

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without basis 
IMHOP.

I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy of an 
entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM 
conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.

The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits radiant 
(NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy of the new 
nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.

The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.

The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary phonic 
and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a controlling 
magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.

This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal grain 
size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Regarding: "Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is
without basis IMHOP."

We went through this before regarding ferrosilicon production. The
"reaction" does not produce any energy as well as radiation and particles.

Recently. to support my claim that transmutation is not energy generation
productive, in the post titled "*LENR transmutation may be subject to
quantum mechanical superposition,*" I reference the production of
ferrosilicon in India as an example of massive transmutation with little if
no excess energy production.

See

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf




On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without
> basis IMHOP.
>
>
>
> I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy
> of an entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM
> conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.
>
>
>
> The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits
> radiant (NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy
> of the new nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.
>
>
>
> The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.
>
>
>
> The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary
> phonic and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a
> controlling magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.
>
>
>
> This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal
> grain size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene 
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion
>
>
>
>
>
> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>
>
>
> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from
> a cold fusion reaction...
>
> -
>
>
>
> Is this work published?
>
>
>
> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma
> lines support a theory
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Robin]

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Sat, 4 Dec 2021 19:09:55 +0100:
Hi,

Even if they do, I'm sure Jed would be willing to add it to the LENR-CANR 
repository.

>May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose
>
>
>J.W.
>
>On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:
>>
>> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>>
>> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines 
>> from a cold fusion reaction...
>> -
>>
>> Is this work published?
>>
>> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the 
>> gamma lines support a theory
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without basis 
IMHOP.

I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy of an 
entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM 
conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.

The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits radiant 
(NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy of the new 
nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.

The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.

The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary phonic 
and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a controlling 
magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.

This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal grain 
size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma radiation
is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with
particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined
particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is being produced. Keep
in mind that high energy radiation can be produced by breaking radiation
from high energy electrons. These high energy electron based wide
continuous spectrum reactions are not necessarily nuclear reactions.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose
>
>
> J.W.
> On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:
>
>
> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>
> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from
> a cold fusion reaction...
> -
>
> Is this work published?
>
> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma
> lines support a theory
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose


J.W.

On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines 
from a cold fusion reaction...

-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the 
gamma lines support a theory


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jones Beene]

 
Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
  Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...-
Is this work published? 

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory
  

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Axil,


I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion  reaction. Also the SO(4) physics models blows up everything 
you know about physics.


So your comment is pretty outdated.


J.W.


On 04.12.2021 08:49, Axil Axil wrote:


The indications against the "REACTION" having a nuclear origin is the 
issue that no nuclear or particle radiation is ever detected. Also all 
reaction products and transmutation are stable. No one has ever 
produced or even attempted a theory that explains the nuclear origin 
of the radiationless nuclear reaction.


  * 



On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 9:02 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

Preliminary survey on cold fusion: It’s not pathological science
and may require revision of nuclear theory.


Discussion and copy of paper here:



https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6714-brazil-joins-the-party-a-survey-of-the-lenr-field/


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

The indications against the "REACTION" having a nuclear origin is the issue
that no nuclear or particle radiation is ever detected. Also all reaction
products and transmutation are stable. No one has ever produced or even
attempted a theory that explains the nuclear origin of the radiationless
nuclear reaction.

   -
   



On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 9:02 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Preliminary survey on cold fusion: It’s not pathological science and may 
> require
> revision of nuclear theory.
>
>
> Discussion and copy of paper here:
>
>
>
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6714-brazil-joins-the-party-a-survey-of-the-lenr-field/
>