RE: [Vo]:Nickel honeycomb ?

2012-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
There are a number of options. Google porous nickel or nickel foam but
beware of Alibaba.

INCOFOAM is an available nickel foam, produced in a wide porosity range
which has been available for several years. A large scale commercial
production facility is operating at the Vale/Inco refinery near Swansea,
Wales UK.


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From: mar...@krteknik.com 

Why not embed the nickel / catalyst mix in a honeycomb, or other  structure
that gets easy access for both H2 and heat transfer to the walls of the tube
?

Is there any practical method of doing this?

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Re: [Vo]:Nickel honeycomb ?

2012-01-25 Thread pagnucco
Marten,

You might want to google or bing nickel nanowire grow or nickel whisker
grow.

Some of these techiques are hazardous, so better use extreme caution.

My guess is that (poly-)crystalline nanostructures  are most promising.


 Hello guys
 I have a q, i have been reading all the posts about the problems with
 energy transfer, core melts and so on .
 Why not embed the nickel / catalyst mix in a honeycomb, or other
 structure that gets easy acess for both H2 and
 heat trasnfer to the walls of the tube ?

 Is there any practical method of doing this?
 I have thought about covering steel or other material with nickel as so
 many other people, but in my mind that decrease the surface
 too much, a fungi or honeycomb like structure would maybe work, but how
 to make one ?

 Any ideas ?


 Marten







Re: [Vo]:Nickel honeycomb ?

2012-01-25 Thread Robert Lynn
I think are a many potential downsides to using bulk material substrates
(foams, foils, wires) with nickel coatings.
- you might get large and non-homogenous transient temperature changes
throughout the reactor and this could lead to deformation and even breakup
of large continuous scaffolds.
- it prevents transport of powder throughout the reactor (which may be
important for continuous operation in terms of subjecting the nickel to
varying temperatures or physical impacts to create hydrogen flux through
the nickel surface)
- a foil type substrate may constrain or otherwise limit convective flow of
hydrogen (particularly if there is thermal deformation of the substrate),
allowing hot-spots to form and creating worse temperature inhomogeneities
throughout the reactor.
- thermal expansion and material crystalline structure phase changes caused
by temperature change or hydrogen loading can lead to large dimensional
mismatches and stresses between substrate and nickel - leading to the
nickel coating flaking off etc, at which point why not just use powder
anyway?
- the processes by which you apply the nickel coating to the substrate may
have limitations and so not be optimal for creating the exact chemical
alloy makeup and surface topologies required for best LENR performance.
- making nano-powder will almost certainly be cheaper than any plating
procedure.
- harder to recycle substrate with nickel coating
- very easy to replace nickel powder in a reactor.
- one or more of the above problems will probably impose a lower
temperature limit on the process than the nickel powder would have by
itself.

Hydrogen convection driven by buoyancy will likely slowly agitate and
transport nickel nano-particles throughout the reactor, with radiation at
high temperatures and physical contact of the blowing nickel particles with
the walls also enhancing heat transfer.

That does not mean nickel on a substrate won't work, but it appears to come
with more potential problems, temperature limitations and higher
fabrication and running costs than nickel powder, with few if any benefits
that I can see.  So unless you have other compelling reasons for a
substrate I think you may as well just stick with the nano powder.

On 25 January 2012 19:28, mar...@krteknik.com wrote:

 Hello guys
 I have a q, i have been reading all the posts about the problems with
 energy transfer, core melts and so on .
 Why not embed the nickel / catalyst mix in a honeycomb, or other structure
 that gets easy acess for both H2 and
 heat trasnfer to the walls of the tube ?

 Is there any practical method of doing this?
 I have thought about covering steel or other material with nickel as so
 many other people, but in my mind that decrease the surface
 too much, a fungi or honeycomb like structure would maybe work, but how to
 make one ?

 Any ideas ?


 Marten




Re: [Vo]:Nickel honeycomb ?

2012-01-25 Thread Nigel Dyer
If I was attempting to build a system from scratch, I would be tempted 
to stick as close as possible to what we know of the standard receipes 
used by others.  The problem is that at the moment we don't understand 
the system to know what is important and what is not.


My brother helped build a prototype stone crusher/sorter for a quarry 
and it worked a treat.   They then built a proper one and it did not 
work at all.   It turned out that the ricketyness of the prototype was 
essential for it to work properly.  There may be critical ricketyness in 
the nickel nano-powder system.


Nigel


On 25/01/2012 19:28, mar...@krteknik.com wrote:

Hello guys
I have a q, i have been reading all the posts about the problems with 
energy transfer, core melts and so on .
Why not embed the nickel / catalyst mix in a honeycomb, or other 
structure that gets easy acess for both H2 and

heat trasnfer to the walls of the tube ?

Is there any practical method of doing this?
I have thought about covering steel or other material with nickel as 
so many other people, but in my mind that decrease the surface
too much, a fungi or honeycomb like structure would maybe work, but 
how to make one ?


Any ideas ?


Marten