Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
Where did you find that value?

2011/10/6 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com

 See the tweets of the other journalist from
 Italy.
 http://twitter.com/#!/raymond_zreick

 It seems the FatCat has worked at
 ~ 3.5 kW.
 Till we will not discover something tricky and
 if this experiment can be repeated with many
 generators, it seems this day was a Sweet
 Thursday for the Rossi believers.
 Peter

 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com




Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
3.5kW is lower value than what I estimated, therefore it must be false. . .

But anyway, perhaps we can take it as absolute minimum. If then E-Cat
produced about 64 kJ excess heat. That would translate into 3kg ethanol need
to fake the results. Therefore, test is not conclusive!!

However, i still think that Raymond's value for output power is too low and
may present e.g. power level at 110°C. So perhaps demonstration was
sufficient, if they will examine the fat cat carefully.

   —Jouni
On Oct 6, 2011 9:54 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
 See the tweets of the other journalist from
 Italy.
 http://twitter.com/#!/raymond_zreick

 It seems the FatCat has worked at
 ~ 3.5 kW.
 Till we will not discover something tricky and
 if this experiment can be repeated with many
 generators, it seems this day was a Sweet
 Thursday for the Rossi believers.
 Peter

 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Terry Blanton
between 3 p.m. till 7 p.m. the temperature average delta has been of
5°C (water input/output) for 0,6 cubic meters per hour

According to the husband of the cute brunette.  :-)

T



Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, that means 600,000/3600*5*1W = 833W. That's the old electric
heater hypothesis. Odd coincidence, although there was no input
electricity.

2011/10/6 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com

 between 3 p.m. till 7 p.m. the temperature average delta has been of
 5°C (water input/output) for 0,6 cubic meters per hour

 According to the husband of the cute brunette.  :-)

 T




Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Craig Haynie
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 15:11 -0400, Terry Blanton wrote:
 between 3 p.m. till 7 p.m. the temperature average delta has been of
 5°C (water input/output) for 0,6 cubic meters per hour
 
 According to the husband of the cute brunette.  :-)

This is what I get.

0.6 cubic meters / hour = 600 liters / hour = 10 liters / minute = 167
ml /sec, with a 5 deg temp diff.

If all these numbers are correct then 5 * 167 ml /s = 835 cal /s = 3.5kw
for this demo. That's a lot of heat for a unit running with no power.
That's in the range of what he's been getting with these latter units.

Craig





Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Peter Gluck
3000 kcal per hour = 3.49 kW True?
I am very tired after this day of info-hunting
Peter

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 between 3 p.m. till 7 p.m. the temperature average delta has been of
 5°C (water input/output) for 0,6 cubic meters per hour

 According to the husband of the cute brunette.  :-)

 T




-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
Oh, right. That's calories!


Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 between 3 p.m. till 7 p.m. the temperature average delta has been of
 5°C (water input/output) for 0,6 cubic meters per hour

Back of the envelope, that's 50.3 Mjoules.



Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
You must not forget the losses due the conversion between the heat
exchangers. If it was 70%, that means around 5KW for the core.

2011/10/6 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com

 3000 kcal per hour = 3.49 kW True?
 I am very tired after this day of info-hunting
 Peter


 On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 between 3 p.m. till 7 p.m. the temperature average delta has been of
 5°C (water input/output) for 0,6 cubic meters per hour

 According to the husband of the cute brunette.  :-)

 T




 --
 Dr. Peter Gluck
 Cluj, Romania
 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com




Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 between 3 p.m. till 7 p.m. the temperature average delta has been of
 5°C (water input/output) for 0,6 cubic meters per hour

 Back of the envelope, that's 50.3 Mjoules.

or 13.97 Kwh in 4 hrs = 3.49 kW

T



Re: [Vo]:other tweets

2011-10-06 Thread Peter Heckert

Am 06.10.2011 21:25, schrieb Daniel Rocha:
You must not forget the losses due the conversion between the heat 
exchangers. If it was 70%, that means around 5KW for the core.

If the heat exchanger is well isolated, it will not loose energy.
It will reduce the temperature, because it has a finite thermal 
resistance  0 .
But the water mass flow on the secondary side will be higher. This gives 
the same energy, if there are no isolation losses.


Anyway, they have to accept this. Many industrial machines use heat 
exchangers and are working.


kind regards,

Peter