Re: [webkit-dev] Enabling Experimental Features
Thanks for your feedback everyone. I have filed a bug to track this issue https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115059 And will do some further investigation into how best to make it happen. -Bear On 4/22/13 12:33 PM, Eric Seidel e...@webkit.org wrote: FWIW, Blink is going through this right now too. We're attempting to move completely away from prefixed development: http://www.chromium.org/blink#vendor-prefixes To do that, that requires making it possible enable/disable CSS properties at runtime: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=232181 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=234270 Perhaps this is another opportunity for the two code bases to learn from one another as we both implement solutions to this. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Simon Fraser simon.fra...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Timothy Hatcher timo...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Bear Travis betra...@adobe.com wrote: What do folks think about adding a mechanism for users to toggle features like this on in WebKit nightlies? I don't have a definite approach yet, but wanted to float the idea for feedback. I like the idea. Having things off for everyone but the engineers is a bad approach and misses out on testing. We could have WebKit modify Safari's Develop menu to provide additional items to toggle. Safari provides an Enable WebGL item, we could inject more items next to it. On Mac, we could at the very last use 'defaults write' to toggle experimental runtime-enabled features. One problem is that most CSS-exposed experimental features are not runtime-switchable. We'd have to do a bunch of work in the parser and style resolver to make this possible. Simon ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Enabling Experimental Features
On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Timothy Hatcher timo...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Bear Travis betra...@adobe.com wrote: What do folks think about adding a mechanism for users to toggle features like this on in WebKit nightlies? I don't have a definite approach yet, but wanted to float the idea for feedback. I like the idea. Having things off for everyone but the engineers is a bad approach and misses out on testing. We could have WebKit modify Safari's Develop menu to provide additional items to toggle. Safari provides an Enable WebGL item, we could inject more items next to it. On Mac, we could at the very last use 'defaults write' to toggle experimental runtime-enabled features. One problem is that most CSS-exposed experimental features are not runtime-switchable. We'd have to do a bunch of work in the parser and style resolver to make this possible. Simon ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Enabling Experimental Features
On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Simon Fraser simon.fra...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Timothy Hatcher timo...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Bear Travis betra...@adobe.com wrote: What do folks think about adding a mechanism for users to toggle features like this on in WebKit nightlies? I don't have a definite approach yet, but wanted to float the idea for feedback. I like the idea. Having things off for everyone but the engineers is a bad approach and misses out on testing. We could have WebKit modify Safari's Develop menu to provide additional items to toggle. Safari provides an Enable WebGL item, we could inject more items next to it. On Mac, we could at the very last use 'defaults write' to toggle experimental runtime-enabled features. One problem is that most CSS-exposed experimental features are not runtime-switchable. We'd have to do a bunch of work in the parser and style resolver to make this possible. I think it is worth it to do that. Not just because of CSS Exclusions, but for future properties as well. Greetings, Dirk Simon ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Enabling Experimental Features
FWIW, Blink is going through this right now too. We're attempting to move completely away from prefixed development: http://www.chromium.org/blink#vendor-prefixes To do that, that requires making it possible enable/disable CSS properties at runtime: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=232181 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=234270 Perhaps this is another opportunity for the two code bases to learn from one another as we both implement solutions to this. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Simon Fraser simon.fra...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Timothy Hatcher timo...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Bear Travis betra...@adobe.com wrote: What do folks think about adding a mechanism for users to toggle features like this on in WebKit nightlies? I don't have a definite approach yet, but wanted to float the idea for feedback. I like the idea. Having things off for everyone but the engineers is a bad approach and misses out on testing. We could have WebKit modify Safari's Develop menu to provide additional items to toggle. Safari provides an Enable WebGL item, we could inject more items next to it. On Mac, we could at the very last use 'defaults write' to toggle experimental runtime-enabled features. One problem is that most CSS-exposed experimental features are not runtime-switchable. We'd have to do a bunch of work in the parser and style resolver to make this possible. Simon ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Enabling Experimental Features
On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Timothy Hatcher timo...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Bear Travis betra...@adobe.com wrote: What do folks think about adding a mechanism for users to toggle features like this on in WebKit nightlies? I don't have a definite approach yet, but wanted to float the idea for feedback. I like the idea. Having things off for everyone but the engineers is a bad approach and misses out on testing. We could have WebKit modify Safari's Develop menu to provide additional items to toggle. Safari provides an Enable WebGL item, we could inject more items next to it. On Mac, we could at the very last use 'defaults write' to toggle experimental runtime-enabled features. Regards, Maciej ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
[webkit-dev] Enabling Experimental Features
Hello WebKit, Recently, I've been thinking that it would be great to be able to enable experimental features in the WebKit nightlies. It seems like it would be valuable for folks using the nightlies to have the ability to opt-in and test-drive new features that are not yet shipping by default. For example, a couple folks at Adobe have been working on the CSS Exclusions and Shapes specification [1]. There is some experimental functionality that is currently turned off by default, and toggled on for testing via bindings/generic/RuntimeEnabledFeatures. What do folks think about adding a mechanism for users to toggle features like this on in WebKit nightlies? I don't have a definite approach yet, but wanted to float the idea for feedback. -Bear Travis [1] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-exclusions/ ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
Re: [webkit-dev] Enabling Experimental Features
On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Bear Travis betra...@adobe.com wrote: What do folks think about adding a mechanism for users to toggle features like this on in WebKit nightlies? I don't have a definite approach yet, but wanted to float the idea for feedback. I like the idea. Having things off for everyone but the engineers is a bad approach and misses out on testing. We could have WebKit modify Safari's Develop menu to provide additional items to toggle. Safari provides an Enable WebGL item, we could inject more items next to it. — Timothy Hatcher ___ webkit-dev mailing list webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev
