Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi Goran, *, On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net wrote: У суб, 02. 07 2011. у 00:07 +0200, Christoph Noack пише: The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page I would add requirement to support localization for using page content in international sites. The localization works just as before, i.e. the standard strings are translated by silverstripe (in the new proposal this would cover the details-expander, and the labels on the buttons). The explanatory text itself is just regular page content, so I wouldn't call it localization. (At least it is not my intention to hardcode the text that is displayed next to the buttons) ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi Cor, *; On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Christoph Noack wrote (02-07-11 00:07) [...] The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page Looks great to me - pls implement it tomorrow ;-) Please someone create semantic html + corresponding css for the design-mockups, then it can go live quickly :-) Or at least visit http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/download/ with all browsers you got installed and report back whether the selection works ;-) (don't pay attention that it lists 3.4.0 instead of 3.4.1) Instead of plain links, imagine the buttons, and basically the design is done. Technically it would work like this, you would have the following html structure ### automatically inserted div id=options downloadoptions, inserted automatically by silverstripe, then moved down into the dlcontainer by javascript on page load, at the top because of... /div noscript non-javascript support (to-be added, here insert a submit button that will direct to a newly generated results page that just links the plain links /noscript ### following stuff is within the cms div id=dlcontainer class=stable|feature|devel!-- only for styling, i.e. applying the background pWhatever shall be displayed above the downloads, for example This release contains the latest features,/p div id=downloadbuttons/div !-- empty div, but will be styled (width,... ) accordingly as visual hint for page editors -- div id=sidenotesdiv that would hold the notes Unsure whether it fits, Handy resources... - basically whatever the page-author wants to display /div!-- closing div for the background-container stuff -- div class=productionbottom-left div, point to production release/div div class=develbottom-right div, point to development release/div (the bottom ones can have classes of production,devel feature (or whatever other notes make sense - and of course the names are not fixed, can be decided how the person providing the css wishes ) As for the styling/css: for the buttons: No tables please (a ul would do, either nested ul lifull installer ullilanguagepack/li lihelppack/li /ul /li /ul or plain, or just a series of styled links So someone please create a working html css div id=Layout style=width:900px; padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px; margin:auto; !-- your implementation of the mockup in html+css here -- /div Then I can put it up on the testing-site and hook it up with the actual functionality (http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/download) soon ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Da: Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com A: website@global.libreoffice.org Inviato: Mar 5 luglio 2011, 13:51:29 Oggetto: Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal ...Or at least visit http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/download/ with all browsers you got installed and report back whether the selection works ;-) ciao Christian - - - - - Tested on: - Ubuntu 11.04 IE7 (under wine), firefox 4.0.1 and chromium 12.0.742.91. - WinXP IE7 and Firefox 5.0 Everything seems to be working fine. Ciaociao! cico :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi Christian, Christian Lohmaier wrote (05-07-11 13:51) Or at least visit http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/download/ with all browsers you got installed and report back whether the selection works ;-) (don't pay attention that it lists 3.4.0 instead of 3.4.1) Instead of plain links, imagine the buttons, and basically the design is done. General: - The change effect of the links looks great. - Good that (additional) text is shown when no package is available: e.g. no package available for this language/this OS For the Windows multi-language installer, it will be more helpful for some people if it could read e.g. no lang-package needed for this language/this OS. But that's just a detail. Test on Ubuntu: - Works fine both in FF5 and Konqueror. Test on WinXP: - FF works OK to. - IE (6.0.xx) (oops ;-) - never start that ) looks nearly ok. The line 'ajax-loaded content will appear here... ' and the first download link have a green background (full width). Greetings, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi Christoph, *, Christoph Noack wrote (04-07-11 23:44) Only one scenario is missing: - In one or two months, the 3.4.x version will be our default. - Still, there will be the 3.3.x versions released and made available for the conservative deployments or those having more to do (something I can hardly imagine ;-) than test / integrate / roll out new versions of LibreOffice. So a description is needed for that too. (Rock solid or so. See http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/07/01/libreoffice-3-4-1-provides-stable-new-features-for-every-user/ - hmm, where are the colors of the table gone?) To quote myself (to be found in the Design Decisions section): Although there might be several releases available at the same time, I decided to only offer two releases at the same time on the download pages. Offering more official releases might confuse less experienced users (although it can easily be done within the proposed structure). I had the impression that there are various moments in the release-line, that we have default + rock-solid + bleeding edge Looking again, that is not so strongly noticeable; but one must understand that any company is not likely to change to new versions soon. Example: the work with 3.3.3, released is 3.4.4 as very stable, and 3.5.0 as thrilling new... But, thinking again, when there are only releases on two lines, e.g. once releases for 3.5 start, there will be no 3.3 releases, the 'offer two options only' fits perfect. Because: the company that deploys 3.3.x and wants to upgrade, will have to choose 3.4.x or 3.5.x or wait. Thanks for helping me so far :-) Consequently, looking and the release schedule (or the graphic you've linked to, which explains it very well) I came to the conclusion that default = rock solid and latest features = bleeding edge. If this is wrong, no worries, since the proposal easily handles three different versions at a time. OK so that would look as follows: as long as there is no 3.5 release: 3.3.x is rock solid, and 3.4 is bleeding edge once there is a 3.5 release: 3.4.x is rock solid, and 3.5 is bleeding edge Hmm, I think we need to use more descriptions, depending on the versions involved. Example: according to the release plan, 3.3.5 and 3.4.4 will be available in the same period, and are rock solid and very stable. Regards, Cor (Interesting to see how we work on better descriptions / explanation of the releases etc, on this and other lists :-) ) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi Goran! Am Samstag, den 02.07.2011, 00:44 +0200 schrieb Goran Rakic: У суб, 02. 07 2011. у 00:07 +0200, Christoph Noack пише: The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page I would add requirement to support localization for using page content in international sites. Yep, Christian was my technical consultant concerning the proposal and he also is very concerned about such stuff. I'm sure he would have raised his hand if localization would be somehow impossible. I've added this requirements to the Open Points section, since it is more related to the technical realization than the (interaction) design. I hope this is okay: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page#Open_Points_.2F_Proposed_Changes [...] Thanks and kind regards, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi Cor, hi all! Thanks for the feedback ... Am Samstag, den 02.07.2011, 01:02 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Christoph + all people working on this, Christoph Noack wrote (02-07-11 00:07) during the last days (weeks?) I've worked on an improved download page proposal. Before I re-state all the information, please have a look at: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/07/improved-download-page-proposal.html Fine details. Good that wordings are chosen to describe various versions etc. I started to work on the wording some time before the recent release announcement ... so now it might be even a bit different to what we've used in the announcement. So maybe this needs a bit revision as well as serious proof-reading. Only one scenario is missing: - In one or two months, the 3.4.x version will be our default. - Still, there will be the 3.3.x versions released and made available for the conservative deployments or those having more to do (something I can hardly imagine ;-) than test / integrate / roll out new versions of LibreOffice. So a description is needed for that too. (Rock solid or so. See http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/07/01/libreoffice-3-4-1-provides-stable-new-features-for-every-user/ - hmm, where are the colors of the table gone?) To quote myself (to be found in the Design Decisions section): Although there might be several releases available at the same time, I decided to only offer two releases at the same time on the download pages. Offering more official releases might confuse less experienced users (although it can easily be done within the proposed structure). More detailed, when I've started to work on that page, I even considered three different versions to cover ultra stable, balances stability vs. features, contains only latest features. You can even find the early descriptions in the wiki (history): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Design/Whiteboards/Download_Pageoldid=26394#Versions_Descriptions But (especially) due to Marc's comments I was made aware that more than to options might be really confusing - not counting RCs, Betas, the SDK, etc. And, my aim was to get a stable site without the need to add / remove items people might search for later (because they are unaware of our release scheme). Consequently, looking and the release schedule (or the graphic you've linked to, which explains it very well) I came to the conclusion that default = rock solid and latest features = bleeding edge. If this is wrong, no worries, since the proposal easily handles three different versions at a time. The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page Looks great to me - pls implement it tomorrow ;-) Hehe, still searching for help ... I can provide the colors, the graphics and such stuff. So if anybody may help starting yesterday, then please raise your hand ;-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
On 07/04/2011 05:44 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Cor, hi all! Thanks for the feedback ... Am Samstag, den 02.07.2011, 01:02 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Christoph + all people working on this, Christoph Noack wrote (02-07-11 00:07) during the last days (weeks?) I've worked on an improved download page proposal. Before I re-state all the information, please have a look at: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/07/improved-download-page-proposal.html Fine details. Good that wordings are chosen to describe various versions etc. I started to work on the wording some time before the recent release announcement ... so now it might be even a bit different to what we've used in the announcement. So maybe this needs a bit revision as well as serious proof-reading. Only one scenario is missing: - In one or two months, the 3.4.x version will be our default. - Still, there will be the 3.3.x versions released and made available for the conservative deployments or those having more to do (something I can hardly imagine ;-) than test / integrate / roll out new versions of LibreOffice. So a description is needed for that too. (Rock solid or so. See http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/07/01/libreoffice-3-4-1-provides-stable-new-features-for-every-user/ - hmm, where are the colors of the table gone?) To quote myself (to be found in the Design Decisions section): Although there might be several releases available at the same time, I decided to only offer two releases at the same time on the download pages. Offering more official releases might confuse less experienced users (although it can easily be done within the proposed structure). More detailed, when I've started to work on that page, I even considered three different versions to cover ultra stable, balances stability vs. features, contains only latest features. You can even find the early descriptions in the wiki (history): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Design/Whiteboards/Download_Pageoldid=26394#Versions_Descriptions But (especially) due to Marc's comments I was made aware that more than to options might be really confusing - not counting RCs, Betas, the SDK, etc. And, my aim was to get a stable site without the need to add / remove items people might search for later (because they are unaware of our release scheme). Consequently, looking and the release schedule (or the graphic you've linked to, which explains it very well) I came to the conclusion that default = rock solid and latest features = bleeding edge. If this is wrong, no worries, since the proposal easily handles three different versions at a time. I thought 3.4.5 comes out BEFORE 3.5.0 comes out. The graphic in the blog talked about above shows 3.5.0 coming out between 3.4.3 and 3.4.4. I am referring to the release plan on the following page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan , vers. the graphic's time line. The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page Looks great to me - pls implement it tomorrow ;-) Hehe, still searching for help ... I can provide the colors, the graphics and such stuff. So if anybody may help starting yesterday, then please raise your hand ;-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Il 02/07/2011 00:07, Christoph Noack ha scritto: Hi all, during the last days (weeks?) I've worked on an improved download page proposal. Before I re-state all the information, please have a look at: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/07/improved-download-page-proposal.html The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page I'll be busy during the next days, so - disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer - I won't be able to follow the discussion very closely. However, I hope you'll like it. @ CC'ed Design List: If you like to add a comment, then please reply to the website list to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks! Anybody interested helping to turn this mockup into reali ... a website? Cheers, Christoph Hello *, I do like your proposal Christoph... it's much more simple, that's what most users need, I think. Thank you for your work! Namastè! cico :) -- cico Icq/Licq/Gaim #175451007 Debian Powered Linux Registered User #310800 at http://counter.li.org No retreat baby no surrender http://www.retenergie.it - coop di produttori e utilizzatori di energia da fonti rinnovabili tad evaarthamaatra-nirbhaasaM svaruupa-shuunyam iva samaadhiH Sanskrit - Realize it's the common language ;-) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi all, during the last days (weeks?) I've worked on an improved download page proposal. Before I re-state all the information, please have a look at: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/07/improved-download-page-proposal.html The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page I'll be busy during the next days, so - disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer - I won't be able to follow the discussion very closely. However, I hope you'll like it. @ CC'ed Design List: If you like to add a comment, then please reply to the website list to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks! Anybody interested helping to turn this mockup into reali ... a website? Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
У суб, 02. 07 2011. у 00:07 +0200, Christoph Noack пише: The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page I would add requirement to support localization for using page content in international sites. One easy solution would be to place only JavaScript code in the download page template, and copy-paste translated page markup for international sites. Kind regards, Goran Rakic -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Hi Christoph + all people working on this, Christoph Noack wrote (02-07-11 00:07) during the last days (weeks?) I've worked on an improved download page proposal. Before I re-state all the information, please have a look at: http://luxate.blogspot.com/2011/07/improved-download-page-proposal.html Fine details. Good that wordings are chosen to describe various versions etc. Only one scenario is missing: - In one or two months, the 3.4.x version will be our default. - Still, there will be the 3.3.x versions released and made available for the conservative deployments or those having more to do (something I can hardly imagine ;-) than test / integrate / roll out new versions of LibreOffice. So a description is needed for that too. (Rock solid or so. See http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/07/01/libreoffice-3-4-1-provides-stable-new-features-for-every-user/ - hmm, where are the colors of the table gone?) The details can be found on a dedicated wiki page. I hope that all the questions that might arise are answered there: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Download_Page Looks great to me - pls implement it tomorrow ;-) Thanks a lot! -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improved Download Page Proposal
Il giorno 02/lug/2011, alle ore 01:02, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl ha scritto - hmm, where are the colors of the table gone?) Colors were confusing (green looked more positive than yellow and red, and de-focused from the time based concept). Tomorrow I will try to use shades of green instead than shades of grey, as today I didn't have the time to play with calc). -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
