Re: [whatwg] rel=bookmark

2017-08-05 Thread Kevin Marks
That use case sounds more like rel="canonical"

On 6 Aug 2017 2:07 am, "Ed Summers"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone can provide any information, or a pointer to
> previous discussion, about why the bookmark link relation can't be used
> with the  element [1].
>
> The topic has come up recently on the IETF link-relations discussion list
> [2] where a new link relation has been proposed to encourage persistent
> linking [3]. The proposed 'identifier' relation seems to closely resemble
> the idea of a permalink (a persistent link) that can be found in the
> definition of bookmark. If bookmark allowed use with the  element
> then I think there would be less of a demonstrated need for the new
> 'identifier' link relation.
>
> Thanks for any information you can provide. I apologize if I'm restarting
> a conversation that has already happened.
>
> //Ed
>
> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/links.html#link-type-bookmark
> [2] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/link-relations/
> current/msg00670.html
> [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vandesompel-identifier/


Re: [whatwg] rel=bookmark

2017-08-05 Thread Domenic Denicola
Hi Ed,

(Remember to use the HTML Standard, located at 
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/links.html#link-type-bookmark, not any 
forks of it.)

Right now the bookmark link relation has a specific purpose, as you can read in 
the spec:

> The bookmark keyword gives a permalink for the nearest ancestor article 
> element of the linking element in question, or of the section the linking 
> element is most closely associated with, if there are no ancestor article 
> elements.

Your proposal is essentially to give it an entirely separate meaning when used 
in the context of the  element, but that's not usually how we share link 
relations between the different elements: cf. alternate, author, help, license, 
next, etc.

At least, that is how I understand; I'm having a hard time distinguishing what 
"identifier" is for in practice, and in particular why it is different than 
"canonical".

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Subject: [whatwg] rel=bookmark

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone can provide any information, or a pointer to previous 
discussion, about why the bookmark link relation can't be used with the  
element [1].

The topic has come up recently on the IETF link-relations discussion list [2] 
where a new link relation has been proposed to encourage persistent linking 
[3]. The proposed 'identifier' relation seems to closely resemble the idea of a 
permalink (a persistent link) that can be found in the definition of bookmark. 
If bookmark allowed use with the  element then I think there would be 
less of a demonstrated need for the new 'identifier' link relation.

Thanks for any information you can provide. I apologize if I'm restarting a 
conversation that has already happened.

//Ed

[1] https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/links.html#link-type-bookmark
[2] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/link-relations/current/msg00670.html
[3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vandesompel-identifier/


[whatwg] rel=bookmark

2017-08-05 Thread Ed Summers
Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone can provide any information, or a pointer to previous 
discussion, about why the bookmark link relation can't be used with the  
element [1].

The topic has come up recently on the IETF link-relations discussion list [2] 
where a new link relation has been proposed to encourage persistent linking 
[3]. The proposed 'identifier' relation seems to closely resemble the idea of a 
permalink (a persistent link) that can be found in the definition of bookmark. 
If bookmark allowed use with the  element then I think there would be 
less of a demonstrated need for the new 'identifier' link relation.

Thanks for any information you can provide. I apologize if I'm restarting a 
conversation that has already happened.

//Ed

[1] https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/links.html#link-type-bookmark
[2] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/link-relations/current/msg00670.html
[3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vandesompel-identifier/