Re: [whatwg] several messages
On 23/03/2008, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that the description of a valid positive integer? If that term is not used or defined yet, why not? Because positive is confusing to people. Some people (including me) think that 0 is positive. I'm fairly sure that there are also some people out there who argue that you can have both -0 and +0, and these are two different numbers. Paul -- Paul Waring http://www.pwaring.com
Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question
On 17/03/2008, Nicholas C. Zakas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the topic has come up a few times, but I'm still wondering if HTML 5 should provide some sort of logic around content that should not be displayed by browsers but should be read by screen readers. Perhaps a noview boolean attribute on each element could be used to tell UAs not to render the content but to report it to screen readers? Or maybe a noview/ element could be used to surround content that shouldn't be displayed but should be accessible to screen readers? Is there an example of something which you think should be seen by screen readers but not by sighted users? Also, isn't this doing something similar to what display : none does in CSS (browsers won't render this content, but I presume screen readers will still read it out)? Paul -- Paul Waring http://www.pwaring.com
Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question
On 17/03/2008, Charles McCathieNevile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad assumption - they don't read it out. They read what is put on the screen. (Well, sort of - what they actually do is parse the DOM themselves quite often, as well). One reason for this is that a lot of authors put stuff there for screen reader users that just adds to the clutter on their page - an easy mistake if you're not used to what screen readers are actually like to work with. Ah, it would appear that screen readers have got a bit more advanced since the last time I looked into them (which admittedly was some time ago) - back then I think many of them still read out 'hidden' text. In my ideal world, people would actually implement the aural style, but I think we are the biggest implementation of that and we only do it on windows for the voice plugin :( If there is already something which does this then, is there really a need for a noview element? Paul -- Paul Waring http://www.pwaring.com
