[whatwg] Unbiased browser stats (semi-OT)

2009-11-08 Thread David Gerard
... or as unbiased as you're likely to get, anyway, from a top 10
website of very mainstream interest whose direct interest is serving
the readers:

http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm

The first shows HTML5-aspiring browsers (places 2 to 5 on the list) at
just over 40%. The work here is having excellent real-world
significance :-D


- d.


Re: [whatwg] Unbiased browser stats (semi-OT)

2009-11-08 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... or as unbiased as you're likely to get, anyway, from a top 10
 website of very mainstream interest whose direct interest is serving
 the readers:

 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm
 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm

 The first shows HTML5-aspiring browsers (places 2 to 5 on the list) at
 just over 40%.

Microsoft has indicated that they intend to support HTML5 in Internet
Explorer as well, so I don't know why it's not HTML5-aspiring.
Also, Wikipedia *editors* are probably represented very
disproportionately in those figures, and they would certainly tend to
use IE a lot less than the general population.


Re: [whatwg] Unbiased browser stats (semi-OT)

2009-11-08 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/8 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 ... or as unbiased as you're likely to get, anyway, from a top 10
 website of very mainstream interest whose direct interest is serving
 the readers:
 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm
 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm
 The first shows HTML5-aspiring browsers (places 2 to 5 on the list) at

 Microsoft has indicated that they intend to support HTML5 in Internet
 Explorer as well, so I don't know why it's not HTML5-aspiring.


I heartily support their statements, but I'm afraid I'll count them
when I see action. YMMV, absolutely.


 Also, Wikipedia *editors* are probably represented very
 disproportionately in those figures, and they would certainly tend to
 use IE a lot less than the general population.


Actually, no - readers have *way* outstripped editors since about
2006. It's not even the tech-savvy or web-savvy audience -
Wikipedia is standard fare for people who can't work computers to look
stuff up on.

Wikipedia is stupidly mainstream and it's sometimes hard for those of
us on the inside (you and me) to realise just how mainstream. But when
I see a poster in Kings Cross train station advertising some pop
culture museum exhibition as The Wikipedia of ... (whatever it was),
it reminds me ...

So I feel quite confident in stating that this is indicative of the
actual Internet user base.


- d.


Re: [whatwg] Unbiased browser stats (semi-OT)

2009-11-08 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Actually, no - readers have *way* outstripped editors since about
 2006. It's not even the tech-savvy or web-savvy audience -
 Wikipedia is standard fare for people who can't work computers to look
 stuff up on.

Granted, registered users are 5% of views last I heard, but there are
biases in every sample.  Regular Wikipedia readers tend to be
disproportionately young, for instance, which means more browsing from
home and fewer on corporate networks who are locked into IE.  You
can't really say what the most popular browser is on the whole web.
(Well, you can: it's IE.  But you can't really say by how much,
exactly.)