[Wien] sgroup question

2012-10-17 Thread Peter Blaha
I'm not an expert in sgroup, but yes, I believe the printed names of all 
monoclinic spacegroups which have
different names for the unique axis c (vs. b) are not correct and I'll change 
them to B or b (instead of C or c)

As far as I know, it does not affect anything else then the comment in the 
struct-files generated by sgroup.



Am 16.10.2012 14:04, schrieb Gavin Abo:
 Dear Prof. Blaha and developers,

 I believe the attached struct file has appropriate parameters for the 
 12_B2/m spacegroup. After I run x sgroup in w2web in Wien2k 12.1, it says 
 sgroup found: 12 (C 2/m)
 [unique axis c] cell choice 2.  I suppose that its most likely correct, but 
 was just curious if perhaps the C 2/m is a typo and should be B 2/m in 
 the character array
 comnt_B_C2h_sgrp in SRC_sgroup/sgrp_mon.c.

 Kind Regards,

 Gavin


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[Wien] sgroup question

2012-10-17 Thread Peter Blaha
Sorry Manu, but I think in WIEN2k it is more comlicated:

It is of course true that WYCKPOS offers just two choices for SG 12:

C2/m:unique axis b   with a centering of (1/2,1/2,0)
C2/m:unique axis c   (0,1/2,1/2)

However, WIEN2k  requires for monoclinic centered lattices a centering of 
(1/2,0,1/2)
(we call it CXZ-lattice) and the monoclinic angle must be gamma. Thus NONE of 
the
settings of WYCKPOS is compatible with WIEN2k.

Instead, when I programmed this a long time ago, my Int. Tables had just two 
settings
for SG 12, which are called:

B2/m:unique axis c   with a centering of (1/2,0,1/2) (or a proper name of 
B112/m)
and
C2/m:unique axis b   with a centering of (1/2,1/2,0)  (or C12/m1) (this is the 
first C2/m of WYCKPOS)

I was lazy and implemented only the first choice and thus WIEN2k supports so 
far only
B112/m with xz-centering and angle gamma, or in short: B2/m


Conversion can be made with your nice utility   SETSTRU  as was indicated by 
Gavin Abo
(which also works in case somebody has the I2/m setting of this SG)
or by hand when interchanging all y -- z pos.parameters,angles,latt.params.

Best regards
Peter


Am 17.10.2012 13:52, schrieb J. Manuel Perez-Mato:
 As far as I as I remember, sgroup finds and gives the standard space group
 corresponding to the structure:

 In monoclinic systems there are two alternative standards in the
 International Tables: unique axis along b o unique axis along c. For
 instance, the Bilbao server normally uses the first one, but in some of
 its programs like WYCKPOS, it offers you the two possible standards. It
 seems that sgroup uses the second possible standard unique axis c, and
 in your case it is only proposing a change to this standard setting.

 I do not think there is any error in the output of sgroup and in principle
 nothing should be changed, because when announcing the space group:
 (C2/m) unique axis c, the (C2/m) here is only used as synonym of space
 group  Number 12, and it does not mean that the centering translation is a
 C centering, i.e. (1/2 1/2 0), which is impossible if the c-axis is
 chosen as the monoclinic one.

 You can compare with the space group labels and positions in the lists
 offered by WYCKPOS in the Bilbao server. You will see that for the
 standard   (C2/m): unique axis c , the centering translation is in fact
 of type A, i.e.  (0 1/2 1/2). Therefore, if you inspect the transformed
 structure proposed by sgroup, I would expect that you will find that it is
 just proposing to interchange the axes a and b, so that your B2/m (unique
 axis c) symmetry becomes in fact A2/m(unique axis c), which is the second
 standard and it is denoted by (C2/m) unique axis c (surely a very
 misleading notation, but it is not the fault of sgroup!).

 Regards,

 J. Manuel Perez-Mato
 Fac. Ciencia y Tecnologia,
 Universidad del Pais Vasco, UPV
 48080 BILBAO,
 Spain

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 On Wed, October 17, 2012 10:48 am, Peter Blaha wrote:
 I'm not an expert in sgroup, but yes, I believe the printed names of
 all
 monoclinic spacegroups which have
 different names for the unique axis c (vs. b) are not correct and I'll
 change them to B or b (instead of C or c)

 As far as I know, it does not affect anything else then the comment in
 the struct-files generated by sgroup.



 Am 16.10.2012 14:04, schrieb Gavin Abo:
 Dear Prof. Blaha and developers,
 I believe the attached struct file has appropriate parameters for the
 12_B2/m spacegroup. After I run x sgroup in w2web in Wien2k 12.1, it
 says sgroup found: 12 (C 2/m)
 [unique axis c] cell choice 2.  I suppose that its most likely
 correct,
 but was just curious if perhaps the C 2/m is a typo and should be B
 2/m in the character array
 comnt_B_C2h_sgrp in SRC_sgroup/sgrp_mon.c.
 Kind Regards,
 Gavin
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[Wien] sgroup question

2012-10-17 Thread B. Yanchitsky
Gavin Abo wrote:
 Dear Prof. Blaha and developers,
 
 I believe the attached struct file has appropriate parameters for the 
 12_B2/m spacegroup. After I run x sgroup in w2web in Wien2k 12.1, it 
 says sgroup found: 12 (C 2/m) [unique axis c] cell choice 2.  I 
 suppose that its most likely correct, but was just curious if perhaps 
 the C 2/m is a typo and should be B 2/m in the character array 
 comnt_B_C2h_sgrp in SRC_sgroup/sgrp_mon.c.

This is not a typo. I coded names according to International Tables 1992,
and bold (main) name for space group is C 2/m. There are 6 settings for this
space group, 3 for unique axis b: C 12/m1, A 12/m1, I 12m/1 and
3 settings for axis c: A 112/m, B 112/m, I 112/m.
Thus what is printed: bold name, unique axis c,
and cell choice 2 is equivalent to B 112/m.
This is as far as I can understand.

Best regards,
Bogdan

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