Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Some disambiguation pages have see also sections for things that aren't strictly disambiguation. But yes, it can be difficult to draw the line between classic disambiguation and a topic overview of loosely related terms, annotated in a way that is more informative than search results would be (at this point, someone will probably mention the 'overview' articles). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_overviews It seems that non-standard disambiguation pages, lists, overviews, categories, topic navboxes, and true topic articles, all lie on a spectrum trying to do similar but different things, in different ways. Carcharoth I think you mean Outlines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Contents/Outline_of_knowledge But yes, I agree with the spectrum comparison. For example, we have these pages, that are variously explicating, disambiguation, and listing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Water which in the main article, [[Water]], even manages to bring us back to the original topic, of yes, excessive or inappropriate hatnotes could be considered harmful! Quiddity ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation...
In contrast to a statement on the candidate's user page, the candidate does not a hav a sterling record of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NPA . The motion might involve renaming my account and finding the candidate guilty of a personal attack, which about five administrators trusted and supported in about three block motions. I can't even use e-mail without using an account that I created on another project. I do not blame those administrators for trusting another administrator. I wish that the administrator who actually performed the block did not confirm his own statement. I am glad that jehochman offered to do an unblock. I am disappointed that he did not follow through. ___ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:brewh...@edmc.net Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:9966848.381250633251139.javamail.sys...@atsl_laptop... Really? I can't see any legal justification for doing that. If they lied in their candidate statement, perhaps, and it would certainly be relevant information that voters might want to see before making up their mind, but disqualification? - wjhon...@aol.com wrote: From: wjhon...@aol.com To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 21:19:28 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation... I hadn't notice this earlier, but I hope we don't have any candidates who are its. Candidate for the board Andrew, the elections we just had. Perhaps Jay will be forthcoming in exact details. In a message dated 8/18/2009 12:06:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, andrewrtur...@googlemail.com writes: I feel like I've missed half the conversation here: Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation to WP:ANI to butress an argument with a block. candidate for what? - Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: From: Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 17 August, 2009 02:28:45 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation to WP:ANI to butress an argument with a block. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
On 8/19/09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Does anyone else get annoyed by certain hatlinks? I don't see the problem here. Be bold and remove crap, whether pointless hatnotes or anything else. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
2009/8/21 Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com: On 8/19/09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Does anyone else get annoyed by certain hatlinks? I don't see the problem here. Be bold and remove crap, whether pointless hatnotes or anything else. It's an editorial issue. The two-item disambig is one workaround, though more than two items is nice. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/19/09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Does anyone else get annoyed by certain hatlinks? I don't see the problem here. Be bold and remove crap, whether pointless hatnotes or anything else. They are not pointless. Usually some form of disambiguation and hatnote is needed, but the question is how to do it. Refer neutrally to a disambiguation page (of whatever size) or take something from a wildly unrelated topic and plaster it across the top of an article just because there are only two things of that name (as far as we know). On the wider point, one person's crap is another person's informative link. There are currently debates going on about overlinking and it is actually very difficult to get people to agree on what the right level of linking in any particular article is. Different people will link different things for different reasons. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
David Gerard wrote: 2009/8/21 Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com: On 8/19/09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Does anyone else get annoyed by certain hatlinks? I don't see the problem here. Be bold and remove crap, whether pointless hatnotes or anything else. It's an editorial issue. The two-item disambig is one workaround, though more than two items is nice. To be perfectly frank, many English Wikipedia articles look way too busy. Not just with front matter but with end matter and many other kinds of ancillary tables and charts, which are genuinely useful all, in their intended circumstances, but do have a visual effect -- regrettably -- not a million miles away from those caused by advertisements. If I were a cartoonist, and had to draw a caricature of a wikipedia article, it wouldn't look anything like wikipetan, but would be reminiscent of something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Onemanband.jpg There is absolutely no chance of a silver bullet to fix this. The best we can do is to be aware of the issue, and keep reminding ourselves that it is going to ever be a trade-off; and a huge problem is that people want cookie-cutter solutions, but also regrettably wish to mold the cookie- cutters around the most monstrous cases, not the cases where applying the rigid framework is way too draconian. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10908190851j6e4a8680jbc9a61bd0bd7e...@mail.gmail.com... (snip) I am impressed, though, that we have this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_the_plankton (...) When you hav a body of water as big as the ocean, and it is fed by rivers, lakes along the way, and glaciers, then the [paradox] is more aptly called an equilibrium. There are also different temperatures and depths for the plankton, plus they already vary in length of life by genetics that give other varieties of plankton more hardiness -- ability to survive in different extremes -- much more complicated than a paradox, and that is a term in literature, so I go figure. I should look for a scope lens for my camera. I do not see any way to remove my current zoom lens, so I probably want an SLR for a microscope. I seeded my tank with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphnia ], and other things are bound to be in there. ___ [http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/Moss_Filter.HTM HowTo Control Phytoplankton] ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fbad4e140908191119i5ad73bd4sd5cbac1abaf78...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/19 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: It boggles the mind to imagine what Pol Pot would have done with a nuclear facility; he could have outdone his relative, Stew Pot. Ah. Cambodian genocide jokes. Just before lunchtime, too. Q. Why did the chicken cross the road? A. HITLER!! As long as we are crossing into non-sequitur. Why did the blonde cross the road? To get her clothing. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Knnol hooks up with PLoS for rapid science publishing
http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/08/plos-reinvents-publishing-and-saves.html http://www.plos.org/cms/node/480 http://knol.google.com/k/plos/plos-currents-influenza/28qm4w0q65e4w/1%23# - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Gridlock should be impossible.
One message someone rejected was about words for cluebot to eat. Maybe that should go to tech, and only tech. It certainly would help if I got rejection notices that were not botic. I do not find moderation notices very helpful, because it actually encourages me to get beyond ten on a one day a week burst, in order to stop them. Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10908190304k596e2ac4ma11dc853f3e66...@mail.gmail.com... Less messages? If someone is on moderation, their messages will pile up until they are moderated (also giving people the impression that someone is sending messages through all at once), so it is unfair to put that requirement on someone on moderation. If the messages are irrelevant, why are the moderators letting them through? Or are the moderators just there to stop spam? Also, some of those messages were a day old. Maybe the moderators of this list need to start a thread to discuss what the subscribers to the list want to see in terms of moderation, including how quickly messages to the list should be moderated (is a day's delay acceptable? A week's delay? What sort of things should be moderated?). Carcharoth On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. Jay, the last time I went through the moderation queue, there were 15 messages from you. Could you please send less messages, and make them more relevant? Thanks, Steve (mod) On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a point that is within the scope of this mailing list, then make it. Please stop sending emails like this. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Knnol hooks up with PLoS for rapid science publishing
So Google Knol moves into hosting? Will there be ads? Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
2009/8/21 quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com: For example, we have these pages, that are variously explicating, disambiguation, and listing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Water which in the main article, [[Water]], even manages to bring us back to the original topic, of yes, excessive or inappropriate hatnotes could be considered harmful! I see the outlines of X pages are spreading. Last I saw, they were being added in see also sections - when did they leap to the forefront of the article? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
List-class articles are lowest on the scale of quality. Going up in rank, it is list, stub, start, b-class, good article, feature candidate, and once featured. They are still useful for maintenance if you are, for instance, cribbing notability from lists of award-winners. And even for users who are looking up something obscure, if their first hit is a disambig, then it is two clicks to a section. So, I am inclusionistic on this subject. It is all trivia. Wikipedia excels in trivia. Even the printed articles do not fit in twenty volumes, anymore; a few thousand, last time I read about it. I could just about go against notability in this thread, and I won't, because it is an important criterion for judging what should be easy to find and what should be be clear. Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10908200235y1a600386s14a383839e25e...@mail.gmail.com... OK. I'll break it down: 1) Do you accept that trivial disambiguations can be unencyclopedic? Carcharoth On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:59 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I have no idea what you just ask. That's a lot of jargon for one question. -Original Message- From: Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes Will, simple question: do you accept that trivial disambiguations can be unencyclopedic and give the wrong impression, and if so, is having a neutral dab hatlink better than a jarring note being sounded at the top of a page, the first thing the reader will read after the title? OK, that was a long simple question... Carcharoth On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This is how I do it. If in Plankton we have only one other thing named planton, then we shouldn't have a disamg page just for two items. That seems overkill. So in that case SB_Plankton makes sense. If however in Bob Jones we have 15 people, 3 things, and 2 places named Bob Jones then it makes sense to have a disamg page. I.E. there's a trade-off in having too many clicks, where it is? two items? or three? W.J In a message dated 8/19/2009 7:37:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, carcharot...@googlemail.com writes: If there really is a chance that people will search for plankton in an attempt to find out about the SB character, then the hatnote should be neutral and direct people to a disambiguation page (for other things named plankton, see here). And I don't care if that disambiguation page only has two entries. That is an acceptable trade-off to having a spongebob squarepants character name jarring people's reading experience by being placed at the top of an unrelated article. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
Lists are something different from articles. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_lists Carcharoth On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jay Litwynbrewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: List-class articles are lowest on the scale of quality. Going up in rank, it is list, stub, start, b-class, good article, feature candidate, and once featured. They are still useful for maintenance if you are, for instance, cribbing notability from lists of award-winners. And even for users who are looking up something obscure, if their first hit is a disambig, then it is two clicks to a section. So, I am inclusionistic on this subject. It is all trivia. Wikipedia excels in trivia. Even the printed articles do not fit in twenty volumes, anymore; a few thousand, last time I read about it. I could just about go against notability in this thread, and I won't, because it is an important criterion for judging what should be easy to find and what should be be clear. Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10908200235y1a600386s14a383839e25e...@mail.gmail.com... OK. I'll break it down: 1) Do you accept that trivial disambiguations can be unencyclopedic? Carcharoth On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:59 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I have no idea what you just ask. That's a lot of jargon for one question. -Original Message- From: Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes Will, simple question: do you accept that trivial disambiguations can be unencyclopedic and give the wrong impression, and if so, is having a neutral dab hatlink better than a jarring note being sounded at the top of a page, the first thing the reader will read after the title? OK, that was a long simple question... Carcharoth On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This is how I do it. If in Plankton we have only one other thing named planton, then we shouldn't have a disamg page just for two items. That seems overkill. So in that case SB_Plankton makes sense. If however in Bob Jones we have 15 people, 3 things, and 2 places named Bob Jones then it makes sense to have a disamg page. I.E. there's a trade-off in having too many clicks, where it is? two items? or three? W.J In a message dated 8/19/2009 7:37:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, carcharot...@googlemail.com writes: If there really is a chance that people will search for plankton in an attempt to find out about the SB character, then the hatnote should be neutral and direct people to a disambiguation page (for other things named plankton, see here). And I don't care if that disambiguation page only has two entries. That is an acceptable trade-off to having a spongebob squarepants character name jarring people's reading experience by being placed at the top of an unrelated article. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Gridlock should be impossible.
2009/8/21 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: One message someone rejected was about words for cluebot to eat. Maybe that should go to tech, and only tech. Cluebot has nothing to do with the tech team, it is run by an individual volunteer. The Cluebot user account talk page is the best place to make recommendations about how to improve the bot. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote in message news:40c6a93a0908201411w75a700derc9a07759fd9d7...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: The exact details of what to ask and how many levels to request are configurable. Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. Lest it be seen as encouraging howto information, which should be external. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 07:31:51AM -0600, Jay Litwyn wrote: Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote in message news:40c6a93a0908201411w75a700derc9a07759fd9d7...@mail.gmail.com... On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: The exact details of what to ask and how many levels to request are configurable. Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. Lest it be seen as encouraging howto information, which should be external. Perhaps informativeness (it needs rephrasing) would be better than usefulness for this. -- Jonathan G Hall jonat...@sinewave42.com OpenPGP KeyID: 0xB3D66A8C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: The exact details of what to ask and how many levels to request are configurable. Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. I agree. The only appropriate response to How useful is this article? is Useful for what?. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/21 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. I agree. The only appropriate response to How useful is this article? is Useful for what?. For the now-largely-abandoned article validation feature, here's a suggested list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Consolidated_plan The list there is: Overall quality Neutral Point Of View Factual accuracy Quality of references Completeness/conciseness Quality of lead section Images and illustrations Grammar, spelling, word choice, wikification and layout What were you looking for? Did you find what you were looking for? Is this the article you expected at this title? How relevant is the topic to a general encyclopedia? Obviously, that would be just a bit of a wall of text and probably not all of those should be deployed in the first instance :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message
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2009/8/20 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
That is why I am saying that it is best to have a neutral form for
hatnotes:
For other things with this name, see (disambiguation).
Or whatever the standard wording is.
{{otheruses}} and its variants.
Anyway, in most cases of two item disambiguation pages there are
actually more than two items. Even if they are redlinks, it is
normally easy to expand said disambiguation page. That is preferable
to having the trivial hatnote forcing people to read about something
they might not want to read about.
Finding multiple items is generally pretty easy. At least one more. (I
was surprised and pleased to find so many for plankton.)
(And I was previously unaware that jellyfish are in fact a variety of
plankton.)
I think that is a stretch, and I am not a phylogenist, so I hav no clue what
rules to follow.
It just seems that they are big and organized. Size is probably not a rule
in phylogeny.
In a sign of the times, I understand that some varieties are prolific.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? The intent is to set up http://readerfeedback.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page with a bit more introductory text and then get the word out to start a conversation about the rating criteria we want to use for this, and indeed whether we want to use this at all. Because part of the point of this feature is to be able to compare perception of quality across languages, those criteria need to IMO be defined across at least all languages of a project. I'll probably only get to this part of the setup post-Wikimania, but if you want to start setting up pages yourself, please don't hesitate. I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. I suggested usefulness for the initial setup, but as noted above, this is one of the things we need to figure out. I like usefulness or helpfulness because it reflects the direct perceived value that our readers are deriving from the information we provide. Yes, that value depends on what they were looking for to begin with, and one would hope that some of them would provide further comments. But, for example, it would be interesting to know if our articles about movies or books, or about historical subjects, or whatever other category, are organized in a manner that our readers consider helpful to find the stuff they're looking for. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
How does this differ from the talk page assessments? If this is meant only for readers-who-don't-edit, then you will have to tell editors that, as there will be some editors that try and skew the feedback for a particular article. Carcharoth On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? The intent is to set up http://readerfeedback.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page with a bit more introductory text and then get the word out to start a conversation about the rating criteria we want to use for this, and indeed whether we want to use this at all. Because part of the point of this feature is to be able to compare perception of quality across languages, those criteria need to IMO be defined across at least all languages of a project. I'll probably only get to this part of the setup post-Wikimania, but if you want to start setting up pages yourself, please don't hesitate. I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. I suggested usefulness for the initial setup, but as noted above, this is one of the things we need to figure out. I like usefulness or helpfulness because it reflects the direct perceived value that our readers are deriving from the information we provide. Yes, that value depends on what they were looking for to begin with, and one would hope that some of them would provide further comments. But, for example, it would be interesting to know if our articles about movies or books, or about historical subjects, or whatever other category, are organized in a manner that our readers consider helpful to find the stuff they're looking for. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/21 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: How does this differ from the talk page assessments? If this is meant only for readers-who-don't-edit, then you will have to tell editors that, as there will be some editors that try and skew the feedback for a particular article. * People are used to rate this article boxes on web pages * Talk page comments tend to be treated by experienced editors as editorial suggestions rather than reader feedback and often get no, bugger off responses. Not ideal, even when arguably appropriate. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fbad4e140908210704u76f71a4fid58ea2ed952f9...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/21 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. I agree. The only appropriate response to How useful is this article? is Useful for what?. For the now-largely-abandoned article validation feature, here's a suggested list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Consolidated_plan The list there is: Overall quality Neutral Point Of View Factual accuracy Quality of references Completeness/conciseness Quality of lead section Images and illustrations Grammar, spelling, word choice, wikification and layout What were you looking for? Did you find what you were looking for? Is this the article you expected at this title? How relevant is the topic to a general encyclopedia? Obviously, that would be just a bit of a wall of text and probably not all of those should be deployed in the first instance :-) The whole thing, methinks would be on a RATE tab. What were you looking for? is a search box with your current search in it. I do not think anybody asks all of those questions unless they contribute. If they answer in the positive, then maybe a template should disappear. If they answer in the negative, then maybe it should appear. Of course, if they edit, that might be a quick way of learning which templates apply, so the user could place the template closer to where it belongs in an article, or just follow links in the template to directions on making improvements. Questions like that should normally offer only a preview of the article, an edit window, and once confirmed, a save button. In some languages, save buttons are not activated until a user has done the preview. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/21 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: 2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? The intent is to set up http://readerfeedback.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page with a bit more introductory text and then get the word out to start a conversation about the rating criteria we want to use for this, and indeed whether we want to use this at all. Because part of the point of this feature is to be able to compare perception of quality across languages, those criteria need to IMO be defined across at least all languages of a project. I'm not sure that kind of comparison will be possible. It will be different people doing the assessments on each project and even with the best translations the criteria we use will have different nuances in different languages. For example, I expect languages with few literate speakers will do better than English since there are fewer alternatives to Wikipedia articles, so good just means better than nothing, rather than better than the various other reference materials written in English. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
Jay Litwyn wrote: Sage Ross wrote Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. Lest it be seen as encouraging howto information, which should be external. What's so bad about encouraging howto information? I'm sure that a lot of people would find such practical information very useful. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Perhaps the ratings system should only let readers remove a template, then send them a welcome message (to an IP#, no less) that transcludes the template of their expertise, and encourages them to follow the links in it, and by those actions encourage them to ensure that their rating is even more true. To know and enjoy what you are good at is three blessings, because two of them are the same. Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote in message news:206791b10908210748l234eba30lda3628b2022ad...@mail.gmail.com... How does this differ from the talk page assessments? If this is meant only for readers-who-don't-edit, then you will have to tell editors that, as there will be some editors that try and skew the feedback for a particular article. Carcharoth On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/8/20 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: Is there a page to discuss the configuration(s) of ReaderFeedback? The intent is to set up http://readerfeedback.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page with a bit more introductory text and then get the word out to start a conversation about the rating criteria we want to use for this, and indeed whether we want to use this at all. Because part of the point of this feature is to be able to compare perception of quality across languages, those criteria need to IMO be defined across at least all languages of a project. I'll probably only get to this part of the setup post-Wikimania, but if you want to start setting up pages yourself, please don't hesitate. I notice the test wiki has the categories Usefulness, Presentation, and Neutrality, while the extension documentation uses four example categories, Reliability, Completeness, NPOV, and Presentation. I hope something more specific than Usefulness is what gets deployed on en-wiki. I suggested usefulness for the initial setup, but as noted above, this is one of the things we need to figure out. I like usefulness or helpfulness because it reflects the direct perceived value that our readers are deriving from the information we provide. Yes, that value depends on what they were looking for to begin with, and one would hope that some of them would provide further comments. But, for example, it would be interesting to know if our articles about movies or books, or about historical subjects, or whatever other category, are organized in a manner that our readers consider helpful to find the stuff they're looking for. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/21 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: What's so bad about encouraging howto information? I'm sure that a lot of people would find such practical information very useful. Sure, it would be very useful, but it isn't within Wikipedia's scope. Perhaps a new WikiHowTo project? (Several such projects already exist: http://www.google.com/search?q=wikihowto Maybe no need for a new Wikimedia one.) ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation...
If I write Motion denied, can we close this thread? Newyorkbrad On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: In my own interests, I won't. I already brought the motion before the candidate, and one of the witnesses to my motion blocked me from unblock-en-l for bringing it before them, too. The candidate I would name was not elected, so the motion is for next year. ___ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:brewhaha%40edmc.net wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:bbc.489d02b1.37bc6...@aol.com... I hadn't notice this earlier, but I hope we don't have any candidates who are its. Candidate for the board Andrew, the elections we just had. Perhaps Jay will be forthcoming in exact details. In a message dated 8/18/2009 12:06:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, andrewrtur...@googlemail.com writes: I feel like I've missed half the conversation here: Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation to WP:ANI to butress an argument with a block. candidate for what? - Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: From: Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 17 August, 2009 02:28:45 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation to WP:ANI to butress an argument with a block. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation...
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: If I write Motion denied, can we close this thread? Newyorkbrad Only if you deny it '*with extreme predjudice*'. And then jump on top of the podium and begin machine-gunning down Congressmen. -- gwern ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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In a message dated 8/21/2009 10:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwe...@gmail.com writes: Only if you deny it '*with extreme predjudice*'. And then jump on top of the podium and begin machine-gunning down Congressmen. - While wearing a prom dress. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/8/21 wjhon...@aol.com In a message dated 8/21/2009 10:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwe...@gmail.com writes: Only if you deny it '*with extreme predjudice*'. And then jump on top of the podium and begin machine-gunning down Congressmen. - While wearing a prom dress. Oh dear. What a mental image. Risker ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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While wearing a prom dress. Why not a wedding dress? Emily On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Risker wrote: 2009/8/21 wjhon...@aol.com In a message dated 8/21/2009 10:40:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gwe...@gmail.com writes: Only if you deny it '*with extreme predjudice*'. And then jump on top of the podium and begin machine-gunning down Congressmen. - While wearing a prom dress. Oh dear. What a mental image. Risker ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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In a message dated 8/21/2009 11:45:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Why not a wedding dress? - You may be too young to remember that it was the Homecoming Queen whose Got A Gun I did it... for Johnny! Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, stevertigo wrote: Right. Its not about the number of clicks, or even the presence of alternative linkages - its about the odd and irritating addition of links to trivial topics at the top of substantive articles (hence the term trivial disambiguation or trivial otheruses links). Okay, so what should the disambiguation be like for [[Jethro Tull]]? The band's named after the guy, but the band's far more famous. This one actually has a two item disambig page, which seems rather odd. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Andrew Grayandrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/8/21 quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com: For example, we have these pages, that are variously explicating, disambiguation, and listing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Water which in the main article, [[Water]], even manages to bring us back to the original topic, of yes, excessive or inappropriate hatnotes could be considered harmful! I see the outlines of X pages are spreading. Last I saw, they were being added in see also sections - when did they leap to the forefront of the article? It was an experiment that was being tested a few months ago. No new hatnotes are being added for these (afaik), but the old ones haven't all been cleaned up yet. Quiddity ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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wjhon...@aol.com wrote: bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Why not a wedding dress? - You may be too young to remember that it was the Homecoming Queen whose Got A Gun I did it... for Johnny! I thought that the idea of shotgun weddings was much older than that. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2009/8/21 Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, stevertigo wrote: Right. Its not about the number of clicks, or even the presence of alternative linkages - its about the odd and irritating addition of links to trivial topics at the top of substantive articles (hence the term trivial disambiguation or trivial otheruses links). Okay, so what should the disambiguation be like for [[Jethro Tull]]? The band's named after the guy, but the band's far more famous. This one actually has a two item disambig page, which seems rather odd. In that case, I'd actually put a note saying This article is about the band. For the person the band was named after, see [[Jethro Tull (person)|]]. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/21 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message For the now-largely-abandoned article validation feature, here's a suggested list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Consolidated_plan The list there is: The whole thing, methinks would be on a RATE tab. What were you looking for? is a search box with your current search in it. Oh. Well spotted. Yes, the Special:Search page needs a What were you looking for, in detail?/Did you find it? on it. I do not think anybody asks all of those questions unless they contribute. If they answer in the positive, then maybe a template should disappear. If they answer in the negative, then maybe it should appear. Of course, if they edit, that might be a quick way of learning which templates apply, so the user could place the template closer to where it belongs in an article, or just follow links in the template to directions on making improvements. I'd expect here we're talking about a simple rate this article clicky thing for readers who can't be bothered editing or are scared to, but still want to make Wikipedia better somehow. (As I noted on the linked page, making full data available to anyone who wants it is a good idea, and absolutely appropriate as it's part of working on the encyclopedia. That may even go as far as making full contributor/IP data available just as article history is. Thinking about it, though, that may discourage ratings - they're anonymous on most sites.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message news://news.gmane.org/fbad4e140908211511y22906e4ue3dbbd7b12cfc...@mail.gmail.com... 2009/8/21 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote in message For the now-largely-abandoned article validation feature, here's a suggested list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Consolidated_plan The list there is: The whole thing, methinks would be on a RATE tab. What were you looking for? is a search box with your current search in it. Oh. Well spotted. Yes, the Special:Search page needs a What were you looking for, in detail?/Did you find it? on it. I do not think anybody asks all of those questions unless they contribute. If they answer in the positive, then maybe a template should disappear. If they answer in the negative, then maybe it should appear. Of course, if they edit, that might be a quick way of learning which templates apply, so the user could place the template closer to where it belongs in an article, or just follow links in the template to directions on making improvements. I'd expect here we're talking about a simple rate this article clicky thing for readers who can't be bothered editing or are scared to, but still want to make Wikipedia better somehow. It could be a set of five bowling pins on the right quarter of a content warning, with a green checkmark on it by default and a red X over it if the user clicks. If the user saves a change, then that template disappears and they get a message on their talk page telling them how to reinforce their change. Most people would go the other way around and delay removing a content warning until they had done what they could about it--save final change and call it a strike. There could of course be people who can do a lot about a content warning without reading any fine manual, then become monsters and write more into our manual. ___ http://www.lovetolearnplace.com/SpecialDays/Labor/Workman%20of%20God%20Worksheet.pdf (As I noted on the linked page, making full data available to anyone who wants it is a good idea, and absolutely appropriate as it's part of working on the encyclopedia. That may even go as far as making full contributor/IP data available just as article history is. Thinking about it, though, that may discourage ratings - they're anonymous on most sites.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message
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2009/8/21 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net:
What's so bad about encouraging howto information? I'm sure that a lot
of people would find such practical information very useful.
Sure, it would be very useful, but it isn't within Wikipedia's scope.
Perhaps a new WikiHowTo project? (Several such projects already exist:
http://www.google.com/search?q=wikihowto Maybe no need for a new
Wikimedia one.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:howto {{howto}} DID contain links to
http://www.wikihow.com and http://howto.wikia.com/ One is a sister project.
The other is more closely allied with google and penis enlargement product
comparisons. I also found either a performance or a connectivity difference.
In specific instances, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombucha , both
could be in the external links. It seems that we are now recommending
wikiversity and wikibooks for training.
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From: Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
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Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote in message
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2009/8/21 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net:
What's so bad about encouraging howto information? I'm sure that a
lot
of people would find such practical information very useful.
Sure, it would be very useful, but it isn't within Wikipedia's scope.
Perhaps a new WikiHowTo project? (Several such projects already exist:
http://www.google.com/search?q=wikihowto Maybe no need for a new
Wikimedia one.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:howto {{howto}} DID contain links
to
http://www.wikihow.com and http://howto.wikia.com/ One is a sister
project.
The other is more closely allied with google and penis enlargement
product
comparisons. I also found either a performance or a connectivity
difference.
In specific instances, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombucha ,
both
could be in the external links. It seems that we are now recommending
wikiversity and wikibooks for training.
--
Jay you seem to be under the assumption that Wikia is a sister.
It might be more appropriate to call Wikia your father's new wife or
your first cousin from that part of your family that your family
doesn't talk to anymore.
As far as wiki.howto.com being called a penis enlargement site that's
pretty offensive isn't it? What's the point of that sort of rant? The
front page of it, has links to I suppose recommended articles and none
of them are about penis enlargement.
W.J.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/22 wjhon...@aol.com: Jay you seem to be under the assumption that Wikia is a sister. It might be more appropriate to call Wikia your father's new wife or your first cousin from that part of your family that your family doesn't talk to anymore. I agree with you that Wikia isn't a sister project, although arguably we have the same father so in a sense we are sisters. However, I'm not sure I like your alternative - I don't know about you, but I still talk to Jimmy... Citizendium, on the other hand, that could be the cousin you mention. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation...
You may be too young to remember that it was the Homecoming Queen whose Got A Gun I did it... for Johnny! Yeah, I didn't get that at all. Emily On Aug 21, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/21/2009 11:45:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Why not a wedding dress? - You may be too young to remember that it was the Homecoming Queen whose Got A Gun I did it... for Johnny! Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation...
'Put down your gun and tiara and come out of the float!' The cops fired a warning shot that blew her off the float. I tried to scream 'duck', but it stuck in my throat. She hit the ground and did a flip; it was so acrobatic, But I was crying so hard I couldn't work my Instamatic. Newyorkbrad On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The Homecoming Queen's Got A Gun is a song about how she gunned down a bunch of people at a celebration. It's not about being pregnant and your father making your boyfriend marry you. So I thought it was much more appropriate for the thread. -Original Message- From: Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation... wjhon...@aol.com wrote: bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Why not a wedding dress? - You may be too young to remember that it was the Homecoming Queen whose Got A Gun I did it... for Johnny! I thought that the idea of shotgun weddings was much older than that. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisin formation...
Headdesk -- Sent from my Palm Pre Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote: 'Put down your gun and tiara and come out of the float!' The cops fired a warning shot that blew her off the float. I tried to scream 'duck', but it stuck in my throat. She hit the ground and did a flip; it was so acrobatic, But I was crying so hard I couldn't work my Instamatic. Newyorkbrad On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM, lt;wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The Homecoming Queen's Got A Gun is a song about how she gunned down a bunch of people at a celebration. It's not about being pregnant and your father making your boyfriend marry you. So I thought it was much more appropriate for the thread. -Original Message- From: Ray Saintonge lt;sainto...@telus.net To: English Wikipedia lt;wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation... wjhon...@aol.com wrote: bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Why not a wedding dress? - You may be too young to remember that it was the Homecoming Queen whose Got A Gun I did it... for Johnny! I thought that the idea of shotgun weddings was much older than that. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions
2009/8/22 wjhon...@aol.com: Thomas you need some new word to describe the relationship. We have sister projects. Wikisource for example, wikiquote, etc. The Wikia domains or subdomains represent something a bit more removed. Can we call them half-sister projects? Step-sister? What would you propose. Like I said, I agree with you. I was just taking the metaphor as literally as I could - I like to do that! I think we should just call it Wikia, to be honest. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation...
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:01 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: You may be too young to remember that it was the Homecoming Queen whose Got A Gun I did it... for Johnny! Will Johnson Johnny? Like, who's Johnny? -- gwern ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it suppliedmisinformation...
As much as I like a good chuckle from time to time, this has gone overboard. This joke is dead. Stone dead. It's not responding to the offered cuttlefish, and didn't even wiggle when we hit the cage. Its nine o'clock wakeup call has come and gone without signs of response. It's not just stunned. It's not pining for the fjords. It has been nailed to its perch. It will not bend the bars apart and fly out into freedom. In its place, I offer this wonderful talking slug. Or perhaps he mumbles a bit. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
