Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat
Dredging up an old post to ask those reading this list what the best way is to make progress on this. I suspect the answer is to post again to something like wiki-tech-l, but that didn't really get things moving last time. I'm asking this time because I'm struggling to make what links here work for the articles listed at this rather large template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Polar_exploration What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links that actually come from the non-transcluded areas of articles. Preferably with the links from transclusions annotated with the name of the transcluded item generating the link. Carcharoth On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Will Beback will.bebac...@gmail.com wrote: I agree entirely with Carcharoth, and have been having the same thoughts for the past year. It's not even possible to momentarily delete an article from a template in order to see what other articles actually link to it, because the what links here can take days to update fully. It'd be really helpful if a solution could be found. -Will Beback On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, what matters here is readability and usefulness. And knowing how many links are from within templates and how many from within the actual text of an article is not useful? What links here is a useful tool for editors that has become useless because of the use of such templates. This has been known for a long time, and sometimes technical people say that something can be done, but rarely does something actually get done. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat
On 8 November 2011 15:32, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links that actually come from the non-transcluded areas of articles. Preferably with the links from transclusions annotated with the name of the transcluded item generating the link. I was going to suggest filing a bug, but it seems the problem's been in bugzilla for six years: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3241 Judging by the comments there, it looks like it's technically quite difficult to do. Back to the drawing board... fixing whatlinkshere apparently won't work, and limiting the templates (by removing links or obfuscating them with redirects) will cause more problems than this one solves, so what's the third option? Can something be scripted on the toolserver as a stand-in? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat
On 8 November 2011 17:08, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 8 November 2011 15:32, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links that actually come from the non-transcluded areas of articles. Preferably with the links from transclusions annotated with the name of the transcluded item generating the link. I was going to suggest filing a bug, but it seems the problem's been in bugzilla for six years: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3241 Judging by the comments there, it looks like it's technically quite difficult to do. Back to the drawing board... fixing whatlinkshere apparently won't work, and limiting the templates (by removing links or obfuscating them with redirects) will cause more problems than this one solves, so what's the third option? Can something be scripted on the toolserver as a stand-in? Actually, the answer to the question is to deprecate such ridiculous templates and apply the appropriate categories. These enormous templates make articles difficult to open on slow or mobile connections, which encompasses a significant number of our users. This is a usability issue, and an inappropriate use of templates. Risker/Anne ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
