Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:38 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: snip And I got to call my fellow Wikipedians encyclopedia nerds on national television ;-p :-) They used the example of Ted Kennedy in the intro, didn't they? I'm wondering how close you both came to being asked about that and how real death reports get handled (I think the news broke a few hours later). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy Currently has a big pp-semi-vandalism template on it, as well as the recent deaths one. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: The latest estimate is 2 weeks time, or probably a bit later. A trial of it on a test wiki started today. And this is the proposal that's being tried: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions So, two months of it live to see how this runs? Another thought: this is actually more open than just locking the article. :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/25 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: The latest estimate is 2 weeks time, or probably a bit later. A trial of it on a test wiki started today. And this is the proposal that's being tried: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions So, two months of it live to see how this runs? Another thought: this is actually more open than just locking the article. :-) Try and read up on as much of the reliable on-wiki stuff as you can, and try and get in touch with people who will be talking about it at Wikimania maybe? And mention Wikimania, where I believe it will be discussed. Are you actually going to be in the studio or will it be via a sat link? And is it just you or others as well? How long are you going to get? And what colour is your tie! :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: This is telly and Very Important. I'll have my suit and tie ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsnight Perhaps I'll get Paxmanned! I NEED INFORMATION. * When's Flagged Revs being switched on? * Where's the latest version of *precisely what's happening*? * etc? I can arse it through for Radio 5, but Newsnight is a bit scary! For those not familiar with British TV, Newsnight is probably the most highbrow current affairs program we have. This is a very big deal! Best of luck to you David, I know you'll do a fantastic job. I wonder if Jeremy Paxman or his researchers read this list? :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
Brion's blog: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/08/weekly-wiki-tech-update-pre-wikimania-edition/ Risker 2009/8/25 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/25 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: The latest estimate is 2 weeks time, or probably a bit later. A trial of it on a test wiki started today. And this is the proposal that's being tried: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions So, two months of it live to see how this runs? Another thought: this is actually more open than just locking the article. :-) Try and read up on as much of the reliable on-wiki stuff as you can, and try and get in touch with people who will be talking about it at Wikimania maybe? And mention Wikimania, where I believe it will be discussed. Are you actually going to be in the studio or will it be via a sat link? And is it just you or others as well? How long are you going to get? And what colour is your tie! :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: Try and read up on as much of the reliable on-wiki stuff as you can, and try and get in touch with people who will be talking about it at Wikimania maybe? And mention Wikimania, where I believe it will be discussed. I don't want to confuse stuff at all. I just confused the hell out of the researcher on the phone trying to keep stuff simple ... so it's going to be REALLY DUMB SOUNDBITES ALL THE WAY. Are you actually going to be in the studio or will it be via a sat link? And is it just you or others as well? How long are you going to get? And what colour is your tie! :-) Studio. Black, black as my SOU. It's 7:50pm and they haven't called back to confirm. Could be false alarm, I'll let you all know ;-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: It's 7:50pm and they haven't called back to confirm. Could be false alarm, I'll let you all know ;-) Are you going to be on or not? If so, I'll watch. I don't usually, but the flagged revisions thing is particularly interesting! Good luck David! -- Regards, Isabell Long. isabell...@gmail.com [[User:Isabell121]] on all public Wikimedia projects. Freenode Community Co-Ordinator - issyl0 on irc.freenode.net PGP Key ID: 0xB6CA6840 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/8/25 Isabell Long isabell...@gmail.com: 2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: It's 7:50pm and they haven't called back to confirm. Could be false alarm, I'll let you all know ;-) Are you going to be on or not? If so, I'll watch. I don't usually, but the flagged revisions thing is particularly interesting! Good luck David! Looks like it's a happener. Just waiting for call re: cab. Apparently on ~9:45pm (BST), but times may change at short notice. Knock 'em dead! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: I don't want to confuse stuff at all. I just confused the hell out of the researcher on the phone trying to keep stuff simple ... so it's going to be REALLY DUMB SOUNDBITES ALL THE WAY. Points I'd try to remember, in no particular order: * this isn't locking down editing, it's more open than it sounds * it's to a large degree an anti-vandalism tool, to stop articles being degraded, rather than to limit them improving - it's not for content control, we have protection for that * it's worked on dewiki so far - some problems, mostly delays, we'll see if they recur, but it's not caused a complete collapse of everything * we've been thinking about this for a long time, unlike some past changes Final details will be announced soon, this is all provisional, maybe mention something about Wikimania as an ongoing conference where the details will emerge. The other thing, of course, is emphasising the BLP article part of it - we want to get these right, we have less room to screw up there - but I don't know how much we want to play that if it's still unclear what the final rollout is going to be! There's a bit over 400,000 BLPs out of 3m plus articles; that's a bit under 15% of all our articles. It's hard to say what proportion of our pageviews that represent, but I would put a small amount of money on more than average. We certainly know they have a disproportionate effect in terms of the amount of complaints and corrections we get sent; around a third of articles we get contacted about are BLPs. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk: Final details will be announced soon, this is all provisional, maybe mention something about Wikimania as an ongoing conference where the details will emerge. Thinking about it, this is probably the best one to hammer on. We don't know precised details of implementation; it's not formally announced yet, and we've been discussing various different methods for a long time. It'll all be clear soon, but here are the philosophical bases we're working from: (and talking points) -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/8/25 Isabell Long isabell...@gmail.com: 2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: It's 7:50pm and they haven't called back to confirm. Could be false alarm, I'll let you all know ;-) Are you going to be on or not? If so, I'll watch. I don't usually, but the flagged revisions thing is particularly interesting! Good luck David! Looks like it's a happener. Just waiting for call re: cab. Apparently on ~9:45pm (BST), but times may change at short notice. Hang on, Newsnight doesn't start until 10:30pm. Did you mean ~10:45pm? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/25 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Looks like it's a happener. Just waiting for call re: cab. Apparently on ~9:45pm (BST), but times may change at short notice. Hang on, Newsnight doesn't start until 10:30pm. Did you mean ~10:45pm? Evidently :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/25 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/25 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Looks like it's a happener. Just waiting for call re: cab. Apparently on ~9:45pm (BST), but times may change at short notice. Hang on, Newsnight doesn't start until 10:30pm. Did you mean ~10:45pm? Evidently :-) And at the end of the program as well. After the interesting feature on the Spanish Civil War legacy 70 years on. And the daily news round up, it was time for Wikipedia! How do you think it went, David? I like the bit you said right at the end about how it was a surprise that Wikipedia became so popular, but though I've got it recorded on DVD, I haven't re-watched it yet. I got the impression the presenter (Paxman must be on holiday) and the Guardian guy were saying quite a bit, and you were wanting to correct them on some points, but didn't get much of a chance. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/26 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Kevin is someone who Knows His Shit about the Internet. Basically we sat there agreeing on everything. Kirsty Wark was somewhat surprised to have two guests furiously agree ;-) I'd been wondering who else they would have on. They usually like to have both sides of an issue represented, but really the two sides here are the media and people that know what is actually going on. They ended up getting someone from the media that knew what was going on! Probably not what they were actually aiming for, but it was inevitable that that is what they would get. I really couldn't fault anything he was saying. In the context of that *horrible* intro it didn't sound great, but he basically really does get it. He spoke of the elites a lot (meaning the top editors), which is technically correct but will fuel the conspiracy theorists.(The connotations of the word as pretentious or oppressors. I'd *hope* the hours-a-day editors don't act like pretentious oppressors ...) Oh well. Yes, I thought everything he said was broadly accurate and fair. Unfortunately, he was forced into saying it in response to leading questions that meant it ended up with a slant on it that I don't think he intended. And I got to call my fellow Wikipedians encyclopedia nerds on national television ;-p I prefer geek myself, but I'll forgive you! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs
2009/8/26 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/26 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: And I got to call my fellow Wikipedians encyclopedia nerds on national television ;-p I prefer geek myself, but I'll forgive you! Top 10 site, that's prima facie evidence of usefulness. I suppose that advances us from nerds to geeks. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
