Re: [Wikimediach-l] As an information
On 4/3/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to inform you: There is at the moment quite some talking going on at http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bylaws/En about bylaws (reaction from ChapCom and the Legal Counsel of WMF) I think all is resolved. Thank you for translating the part that we changed [1] into the other languages so that it is repercuted in the official translations of the bylaws. Please inform us when this is done at chaptercommittee-l AT wikimedia PUNTO org so that we can give our advice to the board and finally be done with it. [1] The Association shares the objectives of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a not-for-profit organisation based in Florida, USA. The Wikimedia Foundation coordinates activities along the lines of the Association's purpose within the international sector, and manages the name Wikimedia as well as the names of the various international Wikimedia projects. Delphine -- ~notafish ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] As an information
Delphine Ménard wrote: I think all is resolved. Thank you for translating the part that we changed [1] into the other languages so that it is repercuted in the official translations of the bylaws. I have updated the English version of the bylaws already. Please inform us when this is done at chaptercommittee-l AT wikimedia PUNTO org so that we can give our advice to the board and finally be done with it. I will try to finish the French translation ASAP. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] As an information
I've modified the italian translation. In any case I'm reading the questions made by Jürg: these are also my questions. Ilario On 4/5/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Delphine Ménard wrote: I think all is resolved. Thank you for translating the part that we changed [1] into the other languages so that it is repercuted in the official translations of the bylaws. I have updated the English version of the bylaws already. Please inform us when this is done at chaptercommittee-l AT wikimedia PUNTO org so that we can give our advice to the board and finally be done with it. I will try to finish the French translation ASAP. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] As an information
The questions of Jürg are correct. The text is changed like this: The Association shares the objectives of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a not-for-profit organisation based in Florida, USA. before it was: The Association shall take the responsiblities of a section (Local Chapter) of the Wikimedia Foundation Inc. (Florida, USA). The Association's independence is not affected by this. The Wikimedia Foundation acts as the umbrella organization for all national Wikimedia sections. The last sentence is the same: The Wikimedia Foundation coordinates the activities according to the Association's purpose within the international sector and it manages the name Wikimedia as well as the names of the various international Wikimedia projects. All problem is to understand the verb share. The previous sentence was more clear, the new version is vague. In the new version we don't analyze the meaning of this word. It should be to divide in equal parts or to partecipate with. The problem is: who decides? Wikimedia Foundation decides and we should receive its guidelines? or, like Jürg says, we couldn't share the objectives? It's important to define this point to haven't problems later. Ilario On 4/5/06, Jürg Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Just some questions about something, that maybe is discussed before, while defining this section: * While Wikimedia CH _SHARES_ the objectives of the Wikimedia Foundation _FULLY_ (not only in parts), do we have the right to discuss and form these objectives actively or do we have to take whatever the Foundation decides, including a total change of goals and as a extreme a total commerzialisation? * If the Foundation decides something like this and the Swiss Chapter does not share this objective, what options do we have then? * Ist this wording a MUST if we want to be a Chapter of Wikimedia or can we opt out in some subjects? * If we have a different point of view than the Foundation, the wording says, that we have nearly no rights to oppose against these subjects, because we HAVE TO SHARE the objectives of the Foundation. My fear is, that we would become a simple puppet of the foundation (nothing against it by now!) instead of a self-contained association. * As a possible szenario (just in my mind by now - but not in reach), our association also want to support other software than the Wikimedia software, what the Foundation could stop by this wording. And we have no chance to do something against this directive. I know, these questions can only be asked by a person out of a direct democratic structure, but as I read the posting, those thoughts rose in my mind. Jürg Wolf -- Zitat von Delphine Ménard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 4/3/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to inform you: There is at the moment quite some talking going on at http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bylaws/En about bylaws (reaction from ChapCom and the Legal Counsel of WMF) I think all is resolved. Thank you for translating the part that we changed [1] into the other languages so that it is repercuted in the official translations of the bylaws. Please inform us when this is done at chaptercommittee-l AT wikimedia PUNTO org so that we can give our advice to the board and finally be done with it. [1] The Association shares the objectives of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a not-for-profit organisation based in Florida, USA. The Wikimedia Foundation coordinates activities along the lines of the Association's purpose within the international sector, and manages the name Wikimedia as well as the names of the various international Wikimedia projects. Delphine -- ~notafish ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] As an information
The goals of Wikimedia CH are indicated at §2.1 -- these are the official goals, as defined by the bylaws. §2.3 is here to indicate that there is some kind of link with the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), which is obviously required since we share their name, but it does not influence by itself the goals as defined earlier. You are in the right, our goal is: ...to support the creation, collection and distribution of Open Content in a not-for-profit way in order to support education and the equal opportunity of access to knowledge. If the foundation took a decision that we do not share (respecting our goal), we could refuse it following point 2,1 or must accept it following point 2.2? As I understand it, the word share is only informational, meaning: look, these are our goals, and the reason why we have chosen to pursue these particular goals is because the WMF is doing this and that and we like it. I don't think there is any legal possibility by which an association could peg its goals to another entity, and have them change any day without the members even knowing about the change -- no way. The Bylaws should be not ambiguous. I suggest to define better the word share in point 2.2 adding another sentence more careful. Ilario ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Updated: Contact information
Hallo to all people :) I'm thinking to ask for an account for OTRS to help in italian. Do you think this is a good idea? Regards Ilario On 3/11/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/06, Frederic Schutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/5/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: Emails can now be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Access to the OTRS-queue have Manuel, Nando and I. If anybody wants to help in answering mails (there are not too many mails atm...), please contact JeLuF (IRC or Mail) to get an account. Do you already have, or do you need, a French speaker to be involved in there too ? We don't have any yet and we would very much appreciate if you could help us. I assume you don't have an OTRS account yes, so you could write JeLuF an email (for spam reasons, I will send you his email in a private mail) and apply for an account. Just refer to me and Nando and say that it's for Wikimedia CH. Thanks a lot that you want to help! -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Updated: Contact information
On 3/5/06, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: Emails can now be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Access to the OTRS-queue have Manuel, Nando and I. If anybody wants to help in answering mails (there are not too many mails atm...), please contact JeLuF (IRC or Mail) to get an account. Do you already have, or do you need, a French speaker to be involved in there too ? Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [/ch/open] Information OSS Roadmap] and Wikipedia Day
The proposed August, 26th (last Saturday of the holidays in Kanton ZH) looks fine to me, doesn't conflict with wikimania neither with soccer wm (afaik), last saturday of holidays in ZH, so people are back again, but still have some free time etc. Please remark: A lot is now written on http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events/Wikipedia_Day_2006 so people who think, that they could help (by being there or in preparatory work) should list themselves there. ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [/ch/open] Information OSS Roadmap] and Wikipedia Day
Please remark: A lot is now written on http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events/Wikipedia_Day_2006 so people who think, that they could help (by being there or in preparatory work) should list themselves there. And also list your ideas and comments as well as list yourself according your favourite date and location as we have to decide this until January the 30th. Greetings, Manuel -- - All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+ L+++$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ V PS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+ DI D+ G+ e h r y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
