Re: [Wikitech-l] Some Ideas About Technical Stuff/Community Relations Improvements

2008-12-12 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/12 Eugene Zelenko eugene.zele...@gmail.com:

 I don't think that blog is right place for such announcement.
 Especially Planet where technical issues will be mixed with
 non-technical ones. I think something more predictable and permanent
 like WMF wiki will do job better.


The Wikimedia blog would be a good place for regular announcements,
perhaps with links to leuksman.com, Jay willing.


- d.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Some Ideas About Technical Stuff/Community Relations Improvements

2008-12-12 Thread Chad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 2008/12/12 Eugene Zelenko eugene.zele...@gmail.com:

  I don't think that blog is right place for such announcement.
  Especially Planet where technical issues will be mixed with
  non-technical ones. I think something more predictable and permanent
  like WMF wiki will do job better.


 The Wikimedia blog would be a good place for regular announcements,
 perhaps with links to leuksman.com, Jay willing.


 - d.

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For more on the story, the server admin log is also worth
reading for what's going on in tech (less dev, more servers,
however).

https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Server_admin_log

-Chad
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Future of Javascript and mediaWiki

2008-12-12 Thread Michael Dale
that just means the minification is broken on their platform no? So we 
have to debug the minification on their platform not the debug output  
... but sure as you mention a hundreds of single character whitespace 
lines will compress nicely.

--michael

Gregory Maxwell wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote:
   
 The debug switch would modify the HTML output to point at the individual
 files with a GET seed ie myscript.js??php= date()? or something of
 that nature bypassing the script loader altogether. The bulk of extra
 content is comments, code documentation and debug statements .. line
 preservation does not seem worth it. Debug output should be enabled via
 a GET debug argument, user preference or $wgConfigure variable.
 

 So you end up with a user who says the problem goes away when they
 enable debug. Yet they can't provide useful debugging info with the
 failing version because it's all garbled minification output.

 May I suggest an alternative perspective with respect to line
 numbering:  Destroying line numbers doesn't reduce the post-gzipped
 size by much, it does not seem worth it.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Future of Javascript and mediaWiki

2008-12-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 that just means the minification is broken on their platform no? So we
 have to debug the minification on their platform not the debug output
 ... but sure as you mention a hundreds of single character whitespace
 lines will compress nicely.

No it could mean that they are getting a corrupted copy if the
mainline JS though some broken cache between the backend and their
browser, which is being avoided by fetching a separate debugging JS.

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