Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 March 2012 01:24, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote:

 In theory we can produce a configuration with TimedMediaHandler to produce
 both H.264 and Theora/WebM transcodes, bringing Commons media to life for
 mobile users and Apple and Microsoft browser users.
 What do we think about this? What are the pros and cons?


No. Just because Mozilla has decided to do the wrong thing for
commercial reasons does not somehow compel us to. It's only pressure
from users that will get the companies to use unlocked formats.


- d.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114166]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Wikinaut posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114166.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114166#c32365

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114166:

removed the redundant code for handling tracking categories. By using '-' for 
the message text ajaxpoll-tracking-category , this can be disabled easily.

Wikinaut's comment:

Yes, I know, thank you. The setting was only for a very short time present in 
the code.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114153]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Nikerabbit changed the status of MediaWiki.r114153 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114153

Old status:  deferred
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114153:

Follow-up to r114069: spce indentation fixed to tab.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Manuel Schneider
Good morning,

after reading all mails in this thread I'd like to comment on this. I
care about this topic as I am leading the WikiTV project we started in
Germany (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiTV#WikiTV_.28on_demand.29).

I would appreciate to see WebM out soon, I think that is important. So
here I agree with Michael - get the TMH released and then add H.264
support later.

What is unclear to me: Do you mean to store all video data in an
intermediate format (be it Ogg or WebM or whatever) and then do a
realtime encoding based on the browsers preference and capabilities?

From a usability point of view this would be perfect. I wouldn't be
happy if I needed to upload WikiTV shows in three different formats in
the future and I think it would also wasting a lot of disk space.
Let alone that these files need a developer to actually get imported
into Commons from a FTP server we have to host on our end because we
can't upload more than 100 MB, which are 80% of our files.


/Manuel
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Regards
Manuel Schneider

Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge
www.wikimedia.ch

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114180]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Nikerabbit posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114180.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114180#c32366

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114180:

make more generic: do not assume we want to add html to the output. Also get 
rid of action=purge from key args

Nikerabbit's comment:

I don't like this design as much. You lose all the niceties like -addWikiText 
-addModules and what else if you just have to return string.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114237]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jdlrobson changed the status of MediaWiki.r114237 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114237

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114237:

fix for bug 35352. this provides at the very least a short term fix to an issue 
with file pages on mobile displaying a data charges banner preilly or someone 
else should please review this and revert if it is not suitable. checking in 
for jdrobson as he can't check in changes to this extension.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114240]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Dantman posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114240.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114240#c32367

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114240:

redesign for toggle buttons

see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Mobile_article_expand.png

Dantman's comment:

Ooohh... now ''that'' looks like a mobile app.

I think you should use an :active to create a highlight bg that shows up when 
the user touches the collapse. A light bluish one. Make sure that the area 
covered fills the screen horizontally and includes the top and bottom padding 
of the block. Something like that should give it a feel very much like what the 
user should be used to with the rest of mobile device's interface.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] putenv(TZ) hack in LocalSettings.php now gives warnings

2012-03-20 Thread jidanni
OK I will try my best to keep up with your changes

for i in RELEASE-NOTES-* includes/installer/LocalSettingsGenerator.php
do
echo $i diff:
svn diff -r ${BASE-BASE}:HEAD $i|wdiff -d -3|tee 
/tmp/mediawikiDiff$$
done

And also watchlist http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php

Alas that is still not enough to reveal to what the current vanilla
LocalSettings.php that gets produced deals with the issue. Perhaps
someone would be kind enough to post one.

Why don't you just set `date.timezone` in your php config and make all the
hacks go away?

I want to keep all this stuff in one file, LocalSettings.php, on my many 
systems.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114096]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Van de Bugger posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114096.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114096#c32368

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114096:

Removed redundant , moved up $wgExtensionCredits and gave descriptions for 
classes, internationlization and default values

Van de Bugger's comment:

 Too many extensions rely on global scope, your system is bound to fail. 

My system is not a subject of this review.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114096]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Van de Bugger posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114096.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114096#c32369

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114096:

Removed redundant , moved up $wgExtensionCredits and gave descriptions for 
classes, internationlization and default values

Van de Bugger's comment:

 Why are you loading an extension from a function? 

Again, my extension load system is not a subject of this review. Please stay 
focused on this extension.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Tei
On 20 March 2012 02:24, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote:
..
 In theory we can produce a configuration with TimedMediaHandler to produce
 both H.264 and Theora/WebM transcodes, bringing Commons media to life for
 mobile users and Apple and Microsoft browser users.

 What do we think about this? What are the pros and cons?

 -- brion

H.264 is a propietery format, and the owners can start asking for a
tax to encoders, decoders and users.

Wikipedia would not be the free encyclopedia if you start asking
people money for watching videos :D

What perhaps can be done, withouth hurting the cause of freedom much,
is to have the encoder.So if you uploade a propietery h.264 video,
its encoded into a free format.  You still helps the H.264 to spread,
so is not that cool.  If the owners of h.264 start asking money to
encoders, you can drop support for the format. Nobody is damaged
(people sould change habits of what format video to upload).

The problem can be output. What free format a iPhone support?, if the
reply is none, then you have to choise no service at all, or output
video in h.264.   Not serving people is bad, and serving h.264 is bad
because you help h.264 gains more ground, hurting the cause of open
formats. Theres no good option.   IF you can serve a video that a
iPhone can watch, even if using some crappy javascript or java format,
you avoid pushing h.264 (so you help the cause of free formats).  If
this solution is slow, you create a incentive for iPhone to support a
open format (what is good again), and everyone can watch all videos
(what is good again).



-- 
--
ℱin del ℳensaje.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114096]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Van de Bugger changed the status of MediaWiki.r114096 to fixme
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114096

Old status:  ok
New status: fixme

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114096:

Removed redundant , moved up $wgExtensionCredits and gave descriptions for 
classes, internationlization and default values

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 March 2012 09:59, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote:

 What perhaps can be done, withouth hurting the cause of freedom much,
 is to have the encoder.    So if you uploade a propietery h.264 video,
 its encoded into a free format.  You still helps the H.264 to spread,
 so is not that cool.  If the owners of h.264 start asking money to
 encoders, you can drop support for the format. Nobody is damaged
 (people sould change habits of what format video to upload).


We should definitely be able to ingest H.264. (This has been on the
wishlist forever and is a much harder problem than it sounds.)


 The problem can be output. What free format a iPhone support?, if the
 reply is none, then you have to choise no service at all, or output
 video in h.264.   Not serving people is bad, and serving h.264 is bad
 because you help h.264 gains more ground, hurting the cause of open
 formats. Theres no good option.   IF you can serve a video that a
 iPhone can watch, even if using some crappy javascript or java format,
 you avoid pushing h.264 (so you help the cause of free formats).  If
 this solution is slow, you create a incentive for iPhone to support a
 open format (what is good again), and everyone can watch all videos
 (what is good again).


Android supports Theora. The significant holdout is Apple.


- d.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Using prototypical inheritance in dynamically loaded ResourceLoader modules

2012-03-20 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov

* Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com [Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:32:51 +0100]:
Converted all of for..in into $.each(). The most funny thing is that 
$.each() did not work correctly with sparse arrays [], walking with 
undefs between real elements. While for..in used to work fine 
(FF,Chrome,IE8,IE9). So I had to convert sparse arrays into sparse 
objects {}, just as you recommended. This way $.each() works, however it 
also creates new context (different this) so I've had to use var 
myself = this more often than it used to be.


The most pailful part was to pass control to the main module after edit 
module was abruptly terminated (without any warnings in Chrome console). 
I managed to call the main module method directly from edit module. Not 
a very nice thing, but at least it works. Who would know that such 
potentially easy thing as refactoring one js class into two 
ResourceLoader modules can be that much painful. I used to dynamically 
load jQuery for custom MediaWiki 1.15 installation via LABjs and don't 
remember such problems back then.


Dmitriy

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114245]: New comment added, and revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jdlrobson changed the status of MediaWiki.r114245 to fixme and commented it.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114245#c32370

Old Status: new
New Status: fixme

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114245:

remove height 100%

not sure what purpose this is serving

Jdlrobson's comment:

Sorry some where between running a diff and doing a commit my local copy 
changed. Will revert this change.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114096]: New comment added, and revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
MaxSem changed the status of MediaWiki.r114096 to ok and commented it.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114096#c32371

Old Status: fixme
New Status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114096:

Removed redundant , moved up $wgExtensionCredits and gave descriptions for 
classes, internationlization and default values

MaxSem's comment:

Once again, extensions in MW source control are expected to adhere to 
appropriate quality standards. Several people have told you that doing this is 
not the way to go, probably you should listen to them.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114245]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
MaxSem changed the status of MediaWiki.r114245 to reverted
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114245

Old status:  fixme
New status: reverted

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114245:

remove height 100%

not sure what purpose this is serving

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Stephen Bain
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote:

 The problem can be output. What free format a iPhone support?

This is a good question. Obviously, in hardware it will support only H.264.

In terms of software decoders there is at least one VP8 decoder that
will work on ARM processors, though I have no idea if it has been
implemented into any iOS apps yet.

Of course that doesn't help anyone trying to watch video in the
browser, but support could be implemented into, eg, the Foundation's
official Wikipedia app for iOS (unless there are rules against it?
I've heard that Apple requires use of HTTP Live Streaming for in-app
videos of a certain length?).

Does anyone know if there are any decoders for VP8 or Theora using
OpenCL? It seems hard to find solid information on this subject...

-- 
Stephen Bain
stephen.b...@gmail.com

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 March 2012 10:42, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Of course that doesn't help anyone trying to watch video in the
 browser, but support could be implemented into, eg, the Foundation's
 official Wikipedia app for iOS (unless there are rules against it?


If Apple tries to stop Wikipedia using VP8 or Theora codecs, that
would be something worth making a small fuss over.


- d.

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[Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Petr Bena
Hi,

I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
soon.

http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
to improve it, let me know.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114128]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Amire80 posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114128.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114128#c32372

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114128:

Added TranslationNotificationsHooks and a callback for logging.
Added very basic logging.
Renamed form fields variables and function name to something more meaningful.
Added loading of autocomplete module.

Amire80's comment:

Addressed in r114251.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114128]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Amire80 posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114128.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114128#c32373

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114128:

Added TranslationNotificationsHooks and a callback for logging.
Added very basic logging.
Renamed form fields variables and function name to something more meaningful.
Added loading of autocomplete module.

Amire80's comment:

Because they are not changed and they are used from the hooks class. Or is it a 
bad practice and they should be regular members with accessors etc.?

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r113669]: New comment added, and revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Amire80 changed the status of MediaWiki.r113669 to new and commented it.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113669#c32374

Old Status: fixme
New Status: new

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r113669:

Completing the form fields.

Amire80's comment:

Addressed in r114128.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Victor Vasiliev
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote:
 Is it time for us to think about H.264 encoding on our own videos?


Hello, Brion.

I think it is time for Apple to support Wikipedia videos. I suggest
that we view the thing from this point of view — Apple do not run a
Top-10 site, we do.

I would say that running something on Wikimedia servers which requires
us to pay royalties seems incompatible to our mission. As far as I
understand, that would be required for video transcoding. Same for
MP3. Same was for Flash, which we did not use even though there were
numerous cases when it was essential (we still cannot upload 100MB
files to Commons because of that).

It's not like it is that bad. OGG/WebM are supported by most major
browsers, except IE, Safari and their mobile counterparts. Even for
the first two, there are codecs available.

—vvv

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114239]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Amire80 changed the status of MediaWiki.r114239 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114239

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114239:

Fix the issue with testing de transliteration rules(in general when keypress 
transliterate to the same)

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114250]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Santhosh.thottingal changed the status of MediaWiki.r114250 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114250

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114250:

Refactoring ext.translate.special.pagetranslation.js to make it reusable: The 
generic autocompletion funcionality is in 
ext.translate.multiselectautocomplete.js and 
ext.translate.special.pagetranslation.js only applies it to 
Special:PageTranslation.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114251]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Santhosh.thottingal changed the status of MediaWiki.r114251 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114251

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114251:

Using the refactored multiselectautocomplete module.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114252]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
MaxSem posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114252.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114252#c32375

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114252:

Refactoring dumpTextPass's error handling

MaxSem's comment:

Aa... ssert! :P

I thought we convinced you?

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r113809]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Santhosh.thottingal changed the status of MediaWiki.r113809 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113809

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r113809:

Added logic for user selection and email subject and body composition. Doesn't 
send an actual email yet.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114252]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
MaxSem changed the status of MediaWiki.r114252 to fixme
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114252

Old status:  new
New status: fixme

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114252:

Refactoring dumpTextPass's error handling

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114254]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Amire80 changed the status of MediaWiki.r114254 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114254

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114254:

Remove comment related to the code that was moved to a new file in r114250

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r113669]: New comment added, and revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Santhosh.thottingal changed the status of MediaWiki.r113669 to fixme and 
commented it.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113669#c32376

Old Status: new
New Status: fixme

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r113669:

Completing the form fields.

Santhosh.thottingal's comment:

The comment for getDataModel  is wrong. It always returns an array.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114252]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
QChris posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114252.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114252#c32377

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114252:

Refactoring dumpTextPass's error handling

QChris's comment:

Sorry. Yes.
This patch was a few days old, before I got ... 'convinced' ;)
I will provide a fix today.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114253]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Santhosh.thottingal changed the status of MediaWiki.r114253 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114253

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114253:

Added tests for Telugu.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Filip Tanurovski
I would like to help you. I'll take a look at it today.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
 current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
 soon.

 http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

 I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
 to improve it, let me know.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Integrating who's been awesome? to MedaiWiki

2012-03-20 Thread Eranga Mapa
Hi James,
Nice to hear from you. Thanks for your UI mockup. I went through it and got
an idea about the functionality needed. I will describe what I understood
by using a simple scenario.
Suppose there is a user who has done 99 edits to a wiki. When he do his
100th edit and save it, he will be moved to a page with saved article. Then
a link will appear in the top navigation bar in that page mentioning Know
an editor who deserves a reward? (Now this user has done 100 edits.
Therefore, whenever this user edit an article and save it, this link will
appear) . When user clicks this link, a popup box with praising interface
will appear. Then user can praise for another user and submit. After that
thanks interface will appear in the popup box.

 If user clicks No thanks  from praising interface, user will be moved to
no thanks interface. In there if user clicks on No thanks, please don't
ask me again, reward link will not appear in next edits by that user. If
he clicks on
Please let me know next time, praising will be ignored only for this
edit.

I have few questions

1. In your first UI mockup(MerchTool1), in yellow tag what do you mean by
when feed back is turned?

2. What will happen when user clicks on I just need a bit more time,
please keep the banner up now in no thanks interface?

Thanks

On 19 March 2012 20:57, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 And sorry wikitech :) if you didn't figure it out already this wasn't
 meant for the whole list (thought I was on a private thread).

 Carry on!

 Sent from my iPhone


 James Alexander
 Manager - Merchandise
 Wikimedia Foundation
 +1 415-839-6885 x6716


 On Mar 19, 2012, at 6:51 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Hey guys,

 Sorry for the delay  (I've been swamped getting the store up and running).
 I still want to write up a bit more for you to understand why I'm looking
 for stuff but I did want to at least attach the mockup I made a while ago :)

 James

 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Eranga Mapa erangam...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sumanah,
 Thanks for the reply.
 I fixed my mailing list problem. It's better now :-)

 Following are the details you asked from me.

 For Git account
 Preferred wiki username - erangamapa
 Preferred email address - erangam...@gmail.com
 Preferred shell account name - mapahere

 For extension page
 My MediaWiki org username - erangamapa



 On 6 March 2012 06:48, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 On 03/06/2012 05:39 AM, Eranga Mapa wrote:
  Hi Sumanah
  Did you recieved the mail I sent to u regarding my extension to
 synchronize
  video with other content?
  By the way I am hoping to hear soon from James regarding Integrating
 who's
  been awesome? to MediaWiki.
 
  Thanks
 
  Undergraduate Computer Science and Engineering
  University of Moratuwa
  Student Member IEEE

 Eranga,

 Thanks for writing!  Yes, I did get your email on the 3rd but have not
 had time to respond to it yet; my apologies.

 James, please do share your notes and mockups.  Thanks!

 The text of the email, for the benefit of the list, with my responses
 inline:

 
  I need help on MediaWiki mailing lists. I don't see our discussion
  Integrating 'who's been awesome?' as a seperate thread. I only get a
 mail
  as Wikitech-I Digest which includes replies for all the threads.
 Currently
  im using Gossamer threads to view discussions in separate threads .I
 tried
  to send this mail to Wikitech-I with the same subject. But I got a
 reply
  from wikitech-l-owner that my mail is unprocessed. Therefore  I'm
 sending
  this mail to your personal email addresses. Sorry about that.

 I am guessing that the problem was that you tried to send big
 attachments.  This list doesn't allow that.  As you see, your most
 recent email made it in fine.  You can change your preferences by
 logging in at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l to
 leave digest mode and see mail as individual threads.

  My MediaWiki extension is to synchronize content such as images and
 rich
  text with html5 video. It can be used to create rich video lectures.
 When
  playing a video lecture, set of slides related to it will synchronize
 and
  play with the video. There are three special pages in my extension.
 First
  one is to upload or link a video to wiki(still to be developed). Next
  special page is to sample uploaded or linked video and assign
  content(slide) to each sample. Third one is to view the video and
 content
  attached to it.
 
  Currently I'm developing it in my local machine and still i don't have
  commit access to svn. Therefore I'm sorry. Because its hard for me to
 give
  a link to my extension.

 Go ahead and request a Git repository via this procedure:
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories First you'll need a
 Wikimedia Labs account, and I'll need from you:

 Preferred wiki username. This will also be your git username, so
 legal name would be reasonable
Preferred email address

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114252]: New comment added, and revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
QChris changed the status of MediaWiki.r114252 to new and commented it.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114252#c32378

Old Status: fixme
New Status: new

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114252:

Refactoring dumpTextPass's error handling

QChris's comment:

See r114256, and r114257.

I transformed one assert into an if-guard, but removed the other asserts, as 
they were a double safety net for future updates.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r111629]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Santhosh.thottingal posted a comment on MediaWiki.r111629.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111629#c32379

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r111629:

Add support for templates without replacements in mediawiki.jqueryMsg
Ref: Bug 33653

Santhosh.thottingal's comment:

Yes, in r112669

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Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress

2012-03-20 Thread MZMcBride
Asher Feldman wrote:
 I've temporarily commented out db36 from db.php on the cluster.
 
 This is a flaw in the how the client-side use of maxlag interacts with our
 schema migration process - we run migrations on slaves one by one in an
 automated fashion, only moving to the next after replication lag catches
 up.  Mediawiki takes care of not sending queries to the lagged slave that
 is under migration.  Meanwhile, maxlag always reports the value of the most
 lagged slave.  Not a new issue, but this particular alter table on enwiki
 is likely the most time intensive ever run at wmf.  It's slightly
 ridiculous.
 
 For this one alter, I can stop the migration script and run each statement
 by hand, pulling and re-adding db's one by one along the way, but this
 isn't a sustainable process.  Perhaps we can add a migration flag to
 mediawiki, which if enabled, changes the behavior of maxlag and
 wfWaitForSlaves() to ignore one highly lagged slave so long as others are
 available without lag.

Thank you! My scripts are running fine again. :-)

Some people have suggested that the current API behavior is intentional.
That is, that having different servers return the same error code is better
than having different servers return an error code or not. I think this is
flawed logic due to the problems that it presents (scripts unable to get
past the error code), but it's definitely something that needs investigation
for the future.

MZMcBride



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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114240]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jdlrobson posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114240.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114240#c32380

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114240:

redesign for toggle buttons

see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Mobile_article_expand.png

Jdlrobson's comment:

@Dantman this is a nice idea but note that :active will also be invoked when a 
touchstart or touchend event happens on the section. As a user slides up and 
down the screen the result of this would be a flashing section between blue and 
grey... not good!

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114259]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Santhosh.thottingal changed the status of MediaWiki.r114259 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114259

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114259:

[Collection extension] whitespace

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Lars Aronsson

On 03/20/2012 02:24 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:

The prime competing format, H.264, has potential patent issues - like other
MPEG standards there's a patent pool and certain licensing rules. It's also
nearly got an exclusive choke hold on mobile - so much so that Mozilla is
considering ways to adopt H.264 support to avoid being left behind:

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/03/18/video-user-experience-and-our-mission/

Is it time for us to think about H.264 encoding on our own videos?

Right now users of millions of mobile phones and tablets have no access to
our audio and video content,


Which are the patents and when do they expire? Which are the
platforms that don't support Theora, and what stops them?
Maybe we should flood Wikipedia's most visited articles with
videos, so millions of users will be made aware that the makers
of their equipment (Apple iPad?) should support open formats.

Now, if we were to take this path, how do we flood Wikipedia with
videos? Live interviews in all biographies of living people?
If this turns out to be completely unrealistic, because we can't
produce videos in sufficient quantity, then maybe the time is not
yet mature for video in Wikipedia.

I thought it was so 2-3 years ago, but I was wrong. I started this
table, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Videos_by_country
and there are now 12 videos in Videos from Denmark, up from 2 in
2009 and 3 in 2011. But it hasn't exploded into the hundreds or
thousands. (If you know of more videos that should be in these
categories, please help with categorization!)

I think it would be a great help if I could upload any video format
to Wikimedia Commons, and it would be converted to Theora on the
server side. Then contributors would only need to be experts on
shooting the video, and not on running all the Linux commands
to convert between formats.


--
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  Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Manuel Schneider
Hej Lars,

On 03/20/2012 03:03 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote:
 Now, if we were to take this path, how do we flood Wikipedia with
 videos? Live interviews in all biographies of living people?
 If this turns out to be completely unrealistic, because we can't
 produce videos in sufficient quantity, then maybe the time is not
 yet mature for video in Wikipedia.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiTV
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTV
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiTV_%28DE%29
http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/WikiTV

;-)


/Manuel
-- 
Regards
Manuel Schneider

Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge
www.wikimedia.ch

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114233]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Reedy posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114233.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114233#c32381

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114233:

Commit the cryptrand project worked on in git:
- MWCryptRand: A new api for generating cryptographic randomness for security 
tokens. Uses whatever cryptographic source is available and if not falls back 
to using random state and clock drift.
- wfRandomString - A simple non-cryptographic pesudo-random string generation 
function to replace wfGenerateToken which was written pretending to be secure 
when it's really not.
- Core updates to use MWCryptRand in various places:
-- user_token generation (to do this we stop generating user_token implicitly 
and only generate it when needed to avoid depleting the system's entropy pool 
by reading random data we'll never use)
-- email confirmation token generation
-- password salt generation
-- temporary password generation
-- Generation of the automatic watchlist token
-- login and create user tokens
-- session ids when php's entropy sources are not set
-- the installer when generating wgSecretKey and the upgrade key

Reedy's comment:

seeing on trunk:

pre


Notice: A non well formed numeric value encountered in 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php on line 390

Call Stack:
0.0003 651296   1. {main}() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/index.php:0
0.2429   15999288   2. MediaWiki-run() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/index.php:58
0.2430   15999288   3. MediaWiki-main() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php:502
1.2842   39032608   4. MediaWiki-finalCleanup() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php:593
1.2843   39032688   5. OutputPage-output() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php:405
1.2938   39721992   6. SkinTemplate-outputPage() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php:1982
1.4869   41792816   7. SkinTemplate-buildContentNavigationUrls() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php:451
1.5072   41931248   8. WatchAction::getWatchToken() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php:969
1.5072   41931936   9. User-getEditToken() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/actions/WatchAction.php:122
1.5090   42101528  10. MWCryptRand::generateHex() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php:3182
1.5090   42102312  11. MWCryptRand-realGenerateHex() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:473
1.5090   42102392  12. MWCryptRand::generate() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:408
1.5091   42102392  13. MWCryptRand-realGenerate() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:456
1.5104   42103960  14. substr() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:390


Notice: A non well formed numeric value encountered in 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php on line 391

Call Stack:
0.0003 651296   1. {main}() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/index.php:0
0.2429   15999288   2. MediaWiki-run() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/index.php:58
0.2430   15999288   3. MediaWiki-main() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php:502
1.2842   39032608   4. MediaWiki-finalCleanup() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php:593
1.2843   39032688   5. OutputPage-output() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php:405
1.2938   39721992   6. SkinTemplate-outputPage() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php:1982
1.4869   41792816   7. SkinTemplate-buildContentNavigationUrls() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php:451
1.5072   41931248   8. WatchAction::getWatchToken() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php:969
1.5072   41931936   9. User-getEditToken() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/actions/WatchAction.php:122
1.5090   42101528  10. MWCryptRand::generateHex() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php:3182
1.5090   42102312  11. MWCryptRand-realGenerateHex() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:473
1.5090   42102392  12. MWCryptRand::generate() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:408
1.5091   42102392  13. MWCryptRand-realGenerate() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:456
1.5108   42104032  14. substr() 
/home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/CryptRand.php:391
/pre

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114270]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Reedy changed the status of MediaWiki.r114270 to reverted
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114270

Old status:  new
New status: reverted

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114270:

Followup r114233, define the method static variables to be used

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114267]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Raymond changed the status of MediaWiki.r114267 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114267

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114267:

Bug 35356 - [[Special:SpecialPages#Other special pages]] shows 
lt;zeroratedmobileaccessgt;

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114180]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jeroen De Dauw posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114180.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114180#c32382

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114180:

make more generic: do not assume we want to add html to the output. Also get 
rid of action=purge from key args

Jeroen De Dauw's comment:

Indeed, this is to bad. In my original version you could use these as you would 
normally. That approach lacked the capability the have multiple blocks of 
cached HTML (or other values for that matter) though. So it does not work for 
pages that have non-cacheabale stuff through them. But it was definitely nicer 
for the simplest use case where you simply want to cache the entire output of a 
page (which possibly some non-cached stuff before and after).

What I did after that approach was trying to extend OutputPage, to have a 
addCachedHTML method, which would be ideal. But I did not find a way to make 
this work. The problem is that you have an instance of OutputPage and want to 
change it into an instance of CachedOutputPage or whatever. Now since we got 
comments and checks everywhere to make sure that this object derives from 
OutputPage, CachedOutputPage better does this. So bye bye decorator pattern. If 
you know a way to do this without changing all the checks to some interface or 
whatever, then please let me know, because I think it would be nicer then what 
I ended up with now. This is what I ended up with after trying to get it to 
find a way to make it work (and then gave up on it): 
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/specials/SpecialCachedPage.php?revision=114044view=markuppathrev=114044

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Leslie Carr
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote:
 Is it time for us to think about H.264 encoding on our own videos?


 Hello, Brion.

 I think it is time for Apple to support Wikipedia videos. I suggest
 that we view the thing from this point of view — Apple do not run a
 Top-10 site, we do.

That would be nice but is completely unrealistic.  Apple doesn't
support Flash and that's on a lot more sites of the world.  They don't
bow to pressure from major players who could make them $$$, and they
are certainly not going to bow to us.  Besides, the lack of wikipedia
videos does not appear to be hurting their performance.

Apple has a 30% market share for US smart phones[1] and their global
tablet share is 58% [2]

Since such a huge market share basically requires H.264 encoding, I
think we should bite the bullet and go for it.  If suddenly they start
charging, we can drop it immediately.


[1] 
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/07/comscore-us-subscriber-count-reaches-100-million-android-and-i/
[2] 
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/strategy-analytics-apple-still-owns-tablet-market-but-android/
-- 
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Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Stephen Bain
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Since such a huge market share basically requires H.264 encoding, I
 think we should bite the bullet and go for it.  If suddenly they start
 charging, we can drop it immediately.

Those accessing Wikimedia in the browser, yes.

It does seem to be possible to support alternative codecs in software
within apps. Here is one example:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id406779775

VLC player also used to be available though it was pulled due to a
clash between the code's GPL license and the App Store terms of
service, it seems:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/11/01/07/move.said.to.be.related.to.licensing.dispute/

It would seem possible to bake Theora or WebM support into the iOS app
and direct users there if browsing from mobile Safari. Performance
would not be so great given it would only be software decoding (this
is why I was asking if anyone is aware of OpenCL decoders).

-- 
Stephen Bain
stephen.b...@gmail.com

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread John Erling Blad
Use open format, closed format and open content don't mix.

John

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Tei
On 20 March 2012 16:26, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote:
...
 It would seem possible to bake Theora or WebM support into the iOS app
 and direct users there if browsing from mobile Safari. Performance
 would not be so great given it would only be software decoding (this
 is why I was asking if anyone is aware of OpenCL decoders).

This sounds sweet.

Youtube also works somewhat like that: wen you want to see a youtube
video link, the youtube app opens. It may make sense for a iOS user to
have a wikipedia video opening the wikipedia app. I have heard that
the wikipedia app is rather good, too. :DD


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ℱin del ℳensaje.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114233]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Dantman posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114233.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114233#c32383

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114233:

Commit the cryptrand project worked on in git:
- MWCryptRand: A new api for generating cryptographic randomness for security 
tokens. Uses whatever cryptographic source is available and if not falls back 
to using random state and clock drift.
- wfRandomString - A simple non-cryptographic pesudo-random string generation 
function to replace wfGenerateToken which was written pretending to be secure 
when it's really not.
- Core updates to use MWCryptRand in various places:
-- user_token generation (to do this we stop generating user_token implicitly 
and only generate it when needed to avoid depleting the system's entropy pool 
by reading random data we'll never use)
-- email confirmation token generation
-- password salt generation
-- temporary password generation
-- Generation of the automatic watchlist token
-- login and create user tokens
-- session ids when php's entropy sources are not set
-- the installer when generating wgSecretKey and the upgrade key

Dantman's comment:

WTF. I test, and test, and test these changes... and still I miss stuff when 
I'm asked to refactor code.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Bergi

Petr Bena schrieb:

Hi,

I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
soon.


Cool. I didn't know that there had already been an engine?


http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
to improve it, let me know.


Just one litte CSS thing: div.content could need an overflow: auto; 
instead of overflow:scroll.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Daniel Friesen

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:03:06 -0700, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote:


On 03/20/2012 02:24 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
The prime competing format, H.264, has potential patent issues - like  
other
MPEG standards there's a patent pool and certain licensing rules. It's  
also
nearly got an exclusive choke hold on mobile - so much so that Mozilla  
is

considering ways to adopt H.264 support to avoid being left behind:

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/03/18/video-user-experience-and-our-mission/

Is it time for us to think about H.264 encoding on our own videos?

Right now users of millions of mobile phones and tablets have no access  
to

our audio and video content,


Which are the patents and when do they expire? Which are the
platforms that don't support Theora, and what stops them?
Maybe we should flood Wikipedia's most visited articles with
videos, so millions of users will be made aware that the makers
of their equipment (Apple iPad?) should support open formats.

Now, if we were to take this path, how do we flood Wikipedia with
videos? Live interviews in all biographies of living people?
If this turns out to be completely unrealistic, because we can't
produce videos in sufficient quantity, then maybe the time is not
yet mature for video in Wikipedia.


Anyone have a good stockpile of old Public Domain movies?
I believe there are also at least two freely licensed movies. Everyone is  
using Blender's CC-BY Big Buck Bunny for video demos. And I believe  
there was another film that was openly distributed using .torrents.
How about embedding full movies into the articles into the Wikipedia  
articles about the movies when said movie is a freely licensed modern  
movie or a Public Domain film?



I thought it was so 2-3 years ago, but I was wrong. I started this
table, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Videos_by_country
and there are now 12 videos in Videos from Denmark, up from 2 in
2009 and 3 in 2011. But it hasn't exploded into the hundreds or
thousands. (If you know of more videos that should be in these
categories, please help with categorization!)

I think it would be a great help if I could upload any video format
to Wikimedia Commons, and it would be converted to Theora on the
server side. Then contributors would only need to be experts on
shooting the video, and not on running all the Linux commands
to convert between formats.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Petr Bena
Yes there is some python script, but it always took so long for it to
search something that I always decided to just close browser (10+
minutes to execute search)

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Bergi a.d.be...@web.de wrote:

 Cool. I didn't know that there had already been an engine?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Tomasz Finc
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote:
 It would seem possible to bake Theora or WebM support into the iOS app
 and direct users there if browsing from mobile Safari. Performance
 would not be so great given it would only be software decoding (this
 is why I was asking if anyone is aware of OpenCL decoders).

If anyone wants to take this on then do let know. Were about to push a
brand new code base for the app so poke us on #wikimedia-mobile for
pointers.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Tei
On 20 March 2012 15:03, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote:
..
 Now, if we were to take this path, how do we flood Wikipedia with
 videos? Live interviews in all biographies of living people?
 If this turns out to be completely unrealistic, because we can't
 produce videos in sufficient quantity, then maybe the time is not
 yet mature for video in Wikipedia.

Perhaps if you allow uploading video to articles. All these Small
City Wikipedia Page will have a short clip of the Main Street made
with a movil phone. The 'technical' quality of the video will not very
high... until the wiki effect quicks-in, and a new better video
replace it. Everybody have a camera in his pocket, in 2012.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Daniel Friesen

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:02:00 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
soon.

http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
to improve it, let me know.


We could use a better mime type for the actual log files themselves so
we're not asked to download them in Opera and Chrome. And fragment links
directly to the line.
Since no-one seams to support rfc5147 how about converting all the old
logs into a html or xml+xslt document we can create anchors for fragments  
in. Maybe we could also try formatting things much more like irc. Turning  
links into rel=nofollow anchors like irc clients do. Converting the color  
codes that wikibugs uses. Trying to adapt the name highlighting irc  
clients use.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Petr Bena
Converting it to html is no problem, however the color stuff and such
is probably bit harder :) I will try to improve this

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Daniel Friesen
li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:02:00 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
 current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
 soon.

 http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

 I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
 to improve it, let me know.


 We could use a better mime type for the actual log files themselves so
 we're not asked to download them in Opera and Chrome. And fragment links
 directly to the line.
 Since no-one seams to support rfc5147 how about converting all the old
 logs into a html or xml+xslt document we can create anchors for fragments
 in. Maybe we could also try formatting things much more like irc. Turning
 links into rel=nofollow anchors like irc clients do. Converting the color
 codes that wikibugs uses. Trying to adapt the name highlighting irc clients
 use.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Daniel Friesen
Throw whatever you got into a git repo somewhere, I might help tune that  
up too.


On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:52:11 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:


Converting it to html is no problem, however the color stuff and such
is probably bit harder :) I will try to improve this

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Daniel Friesen
li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:02:00 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Hi,

I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
soon.

http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
to improve it, let me know.



We could use a better mime type for the actual log files themselves so
we're not asked to download them in Opera and Chrome. And fragment links
directly to the line.
Since no-one seams to support rfc5147 how about converting all the old
logs into a html or xml+xslt document we can create anchors for  
fragments
in. Maybe we could also try formatting things much more like irc.  
Turning
links into rel=nofollow anchors like irc clients do. Converting the  
color
codes that wikibugs uses. Trying to adapt the name highlighting irc  
clients

use.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Petr Bena
I would rather put it to wikimedia svn, I hope you have an account there

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Friesen
li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:
 Throw whatever you got into a git repo somewhere, I might help tune that up
 too.


 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:52:11 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Converting it to html is no problem, however the color stuff and such
 is probably bit harder :) I will try to improve this

 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Daniel Friesen
 li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:

 On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:02:00 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
 current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
 soon.

 http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

 I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
 to improve it, let me know.



 We could use a better mime type for the actual log files themselves so
 we're not asked to download them in Opera and Chrome. And fragment links
 directly to the line.
 Since no-one seams to support rfc5147 how about converting all the old
 logs into a html or xml+xslt document we can create anchors for fragments
 in. Maybe we could also try formatting things much more like irc. Turning
 links into rel=nofollow anchors like irc clients do. Converting the color
 codes that wikibugs uses. Trying to adapt the name highlighting irc
 clients
 use.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] irc logs

2012-03-20 Thread Daniel Friesen

Sure... ;) I just like git.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 10:06:35 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:


I would rather put it to wikimedia svn, I hope you have an account there

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Daniel Friesen
li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:
Throw whatever you got into a git repo somewhere, I might help tune  
that up

too.


On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:52:11 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Converting it to html is no problem, however the color stuff and such
is probably bit harder :) I will try to improve this

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Daniel Friesen
li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote:


On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:02:00 -0700, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Hi,

I created a search engine for irc logs, it works much faster than
current engine and it's written in php. I will send a source code
soon.

http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/searchlog/

I don't understand html, so output is ugly. If someone wants to help
to improve it, let me know.




We could use a better mime type for the actual log files themselves so
we're not asked to download them in Opera and Chrome. And fragment  
links

directly to the line.
Since no-one seams to support rfc5147 how about converting all the old
logs into a html or xml+xslt document we can create anchors for  
fragments
in. Maybe we could also try formatting things much more like irc.  
Turning
links into rel=nofollow anchors like irc clients do. Converting the  
color

codes that wikibugs uses. Trying to adapt the name highlighting irc
clients
use.

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[http://daniel.friesen.name]



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov

On 20.03.2012 20:29, Daniel Friesen wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:03:06 -0700, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se 
wrote:



On 03/20/2012 02:24 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
The prime competing format, H.264, has potential patent issues - 
like other
MPEG standards there's a patent pool and certain licensing rules. 
It's also
nearly got an exclusive choke hold on mobile - so much so that 
Mozilla is

considering ways to adopt H.264 support to avoid being left behind:

http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/03/18/video-user-experience-and-our-mission/ 



Is it time for us to think about H.264 encoding on our own videos?

Right now users of millions of mobile phones and tablets have no 
access to

our audio and video content,


Which are the patents and when do they expire? Which are the
platforms that don't support Theora, and what stops them?
Maybe we should flood Wikipedia's most visited articles with
videos, so millions of users will be made aware that the makers
of their equipment (Apple iPad?) should support open formats.

Now, if we were to take this path, how do we flood Wikipedia with
videos? Live interviews in all biographies of living people?
If this turns out to be completely unrealistic, because we can't
produce videos in sufficient quantity, then maybe the time is not
yet mature for video in Wikipedia.


Anyone have a good stockpile of old Public Domain movies?
I believe there are also at least two freely licensed movies. Everyone 
is using Blender's CC-BY Big Buck Bunny for video demos. And I 
believe there was another film that was openly distributed using 
.torrents.
How about embedding full movies into the articles into the Wikipedia 
articles about the movies when said movie is a freely licensed modern 
movie or a Public Domain film?



Are these PD? There are quite a lot of them.
http://www.archive.org/details/movies
Dmitriy


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 March 2012 01:24, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote:

 In theory we can produce a configuration with TimedMediaHandler to produce
 both H.264 and Theora/WebM transcodes, bringing Commons media to life for
 mobile users and Apple and Microsoft browser users.
 What do we think about this? What are the pros and cons?


This is too big an issue to resolve only on the tech list - I've
forwarded your message to foundation-l as well.


- d.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Michael Dale

On 03/20/2012 03:15 AM, David Gerard wrote:

We should definitely be able to ingest H.264. (This has been on the
wishlist forever and is a much harder problem than it sounds.)


Once TMH is deployed,  practically speaking .. upload to youtube - 
import to commons .. will probably be the easiest path for a while. 
Especially given the tight integration youtube has with every phone, and 
any capture device with web.


But yes the feature should be developed, and it is more difficult then 
it sounds when you want to carefully consider things like making the 
source file available.


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mark Hershberger departing Wikimedia Foundation in May

2012-03-20 Thread Markus Glaser
Thanks, Mark! You were one of my first contacts in the wmdev community and made 
me feel very welcome here. 

Cheers, Markus

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114262]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Preilly changed the status of MediaWiki.r114262 to ok
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minor: add missing semicolons

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114282]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r114282 to ok
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update latest minified js versions

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114225]: Revision status changed

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Revert r114220

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114240]: Revision status changed

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redesign for toggle buttons

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follow up to r114240

ensure consistent spacing between headers and
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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114246]: Revision status changed

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rv r114245 at jdlrobson's request

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114248]: Revision status changed

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remove height 100%

not sure what purpose this is serving

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114286]: Revision status changed

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follow up to r114263

add image referenced in footer

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114283]: Revision status changed

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Backport r114272, Reedy's fix for r114233 to REL1_17, REL1_18, and REL1_19.

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limit checkHash to links with a content_block

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114265]: Revision status changed

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never hide clear search link

otherwise the design looks unbalanced

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follow up to r114263

revert back to non-beta by default

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114287]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Reedy changed the status of MediaWiki.r114287 to ok
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adjust svn props on pngs, followup r114240

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114240]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114240.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114240#c32384

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114240:

redesign for toggle buttons

see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Mobile_article_expand.png

Robmoen's comment:

corrected svn props on pngs.  marking ok  see r114287.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114263]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Preilly posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114263.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114263#c32385

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114263:

first pass of footer redesign

following designs here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Footer
Note the TODO that the copyright icon is currently not configurable
and the original site retains the old footer

Preilly's comment:

Why is BETA now the default?

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114263]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Preilly changed the status of MediaWiki.r114263 to resolved
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114263

Old status:  new
New status: resolved

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114263:

first pass of footer redesign

following designs here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Footer
Note the TODO that the copyright icon is currently not configurable
and the original site retains the old footer

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114261]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Preilly changed the status of MediaWiki.r114261 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114261

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114261:

allow toggleable sections to have a suffix other than a number

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114260]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Preilly changed the status of MediaWiki.r114260 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114260

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114260:

add desktop view button to navigation menu

this is in preparation for the footer redesign
which will remove the desktop view

it also makes sense to have this near the top as
some users will quickly want to toggle to the desktop
site

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114026]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jeroen De Dauw changed the status of MediaWiki.r114026 to new
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114026

Old status:  fixme
New status: new

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114026:

follow up r114023 add missing plural

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114289]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jdlrobson posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114289.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114289#c32386

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114289:

provide feedback when a search is in progress

currently there is no hint that anything is happening
when you type

Jdlrobson's comment:

Sorry bad commit. The change to #footer .links li was going to be my next 
commit to decrease footer font size for certain Android devices however got 
accidently checked in here.

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r112777]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r112777 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112777

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r112777:

vertically center the button arrows

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r112629]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r112629 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112629

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r112629:

declaring dependancy on jquery.clickTracking module

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [Wikimedia r1493]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Awjrichards changed the status of Wikimedia.r1493 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/Wikimedia/1493

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for Wikimedia.r1493:

Getting rid of some post-4.1.1-upgrade bugs in civicrm. (the recurLinks 
function was being redeclared after the upgrade was merged in to Kaldari's 
back-port and enhancements)

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114263]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jdlrobson posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114263.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114263#c32387

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114263:

first pass of footer redesign

following designs here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Footer
Note the TODO that the copyright icon is currently not configurable
and the original site retains the old footer

Jdlrobson's comment:

See r114264 follow up

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114263]: New comment added

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jdlrobson posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114263.
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114263#c32388

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114263:

first pass of footer redesign

following designs here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Footer
Note the TODO that the copyright icon is currently not configurable
and the original site retains the old footer

Jdlrobson's comment:

(mistake :-S)

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r112661]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r112661 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112661

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r112661:

some of the button styling has been moved to our jquery ui skin; making 
jquery.ui.button dependancy explicit since we need the css from that module to 
load before our module does; using jquery ui arrow icon for smaller buttons

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r112707]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r112707 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112707

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r112707:

adding new arrow graphics for colored buttons

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r112774]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r112774 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112774

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r112774:

fixing tooltip position relative to button

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r112778]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r112778 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112778

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r112778:

enable arrows on buttons to point either forward or back

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Re: [Wikitech-l] enwiki revision schema migration in progress

2012-03-20 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
 Some people have suggested that the current API behavior is intentional.
 That is, that having different servers return the same error code is better
 than having different servers return an error code or not. I think this is
 flawed logic due to the problems that it presents (scripts unable to get
 past the error code), but it's definitely something that needs investigation
 for the future.

You're confusing Apache servers and database servers. You're hitting
different Apache servers at random, those are the srv numbers. Each
Apache requests the current lag from all the DB servers serving that
wiki, computes the maximum (in this case db36 wins easily) and checks
that against your maxlag parameter. Obviously the highest lag is
greater than your maxlag setting, so it throws an error and bails.

Had it continued, or had you not set a maxlag parameter, you would
have hit a DB server at random (except that it wouldn't have let you
hit db36 because it was lagged to hell and back). So yeah /normally/
you hit DB servers at random and different servers might respond
differently (or be lagged to different degrees), but in this
particular case it was always the same DB server returning the same
lag value. Nothing strange going on here, this is how the maxlag
parameter works.

Roan

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r112869]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r112869 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112869

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r112869:

override the padding for large buttons to accomodate the buttons arrows we use 
in ACW

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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r113116]: Revision status changed

2012-03-20 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Robmoen changed the status of MediaWiki.r113116 to ok
URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113116

Old status:  new
New status: ok

Commit summary for MediaWiki.r113116:

finishing the implementation for the large buttons

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-20 Thread Lars Aronsson

On 03/20/2012 05:40 PM, Tei wrote:

Perhaps if you allow uploading video to articles. All these Small
City Wikipedia Page will have a short clip of the Main Street made
with a movil phone. The 'technical' quality of the video will not very
high... until the wiki effect quicks-in, and a new better video
replace it. Everybody have a camera in his pocket, in 2012.


I love it! Wiki Loves Main Street, the new video competition.
There are alread a couple of videos of journeys along streets,
perhaps we should gather them under a new category,a subcategory to
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_of_road_traffic

Since a road movie is something else, perhaps street video?
Should we use subtitles to geo tag these videos?

Here are some from Stockholm:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Karlaplan-2011-04-16.ogv
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Karlav%C3%A4gen-2011-04-16.ogv
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sibyllegatan-2011-04-16.ogv
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Strandv%C3%A4gen-2011-04.ogv


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