[Wikitech-l] InlineEditor / Sentence-Level Editing: usability review

2010-11-29 Thread Jan Paul Posma
Hey everyone,

Last week I've done some usability testing with my InlineEditor extension, to 
see whether or not it's a good idea at all. I've still got to do formal 
analysis, but that'll take a while, so for now I'll only share with you the 
most important things I noticed while doing the tests.

First, a few remarks. The test group was heavily biased towards students of 
Information Sciences, so towards above average intelligence and familiarity 
with codes and programming. There were 3 test groups, testing both versions of 
the editor (one where you can select an edit mode like Sentences, 
References, Media, etc., and one where you can select Sentences, 
Paragraphs, Sections) and a control group.

1. The editing of sentences was great the new way. Users were much more 
comfortable seeing the article and being able to directly manipulate it.
2. Users did not really notice the other editing options. This is a huge 
problem, as the whole idea of this editor is to show the user an increasing 
amount of wikitext complexity. When users did notice it...:
a. In the case of the functional edit options (References, Media, etc.), 
users used this more as a help center and then proceeded to the full (original) 
editor.
b. In the case of the block edit options (Paragraphs, Sections), users used 
it correctly and found it helpful. This might indicate that this is the right 
way to go (which was my hypothesis), but it still has to be approached 
differently.
3. Users did actually like the idea of the interface, whether or not they could 
accomplish their tasks. Users noticed the edit summary field earlier and used 
it more often (although the test groups were too small to draw a formal 
conclusion from this).

In conclusion: users really liked the direct manipulation, but did not get the 
different edit modes. So, back to the drawing board! ;)

Full interview videos will be available on Wikimedia Commons somewhere next 
month. They are in Dutch, though.

You can try the editor with block edit options at 
http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/wiki. It's still work in progress: do expect to run 
into bugs that I did not find worthy to fix yet. :)

Best regards,
Jan Paul Posma

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Re: [Wikitech-l] InlineEditor / Sentence-Level Editing: usability review

2010-11-29 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/11/29 Jan Paul Posma jp.po...@gmail.com:
 Full interview videos will be available on Wikimedia Commons somewhere next 
 month. They are in Dutch, though.

Michael, can we subtitle those with mwEmbed magic?

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] InlineEditor / Sentence-Level Editing: usability review

2010-11-29 Thread Krinkle
Op 29 nov 2010, om 13:11 heeft Jan Paul Posma het volgende geschreven:

 You can try the editor with block edit options at 
 http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/wiki 
 . It's still work in progress: do expect to run into bugs that I did  
 not find worthy to fix yet. :)

 Best regards,
 Jan Paul Posma

Looks nice.

A few points which may or may not have been raised before:
* I think editing inline like this eliminates or lessens the need for  
a WYSIWYG editor because it already is very direct.
* Serverside parsing with AJAX, good choise. No half-parser  
serverside, this way advanced users are ensured they can use all the  
syntax they know which would work in the full editor.
* Currently the editmodes are indicated like tabs, which wrap around  
an instructional paragraph.
I would recommand making the tabs indicate/wrap around the entire  
article below (just like Page, Discussion, View, Edit are tabs for the  
entire page, Sentences, Paragraphs etc. would be tabs for the  
article part (Ie. full width, and perhaps a suddle border connecting  
the tabs with the article)
* List items could be  / expected to be editable sentences
* Feature suggestions: An [edit] link at each section in sentences and  
paragraphs edit mode which, when clicked, switches to Section edit  
mode + edits that section
* Bug: When adding (wether or not by accident) an interwiki link or  
category link inside a sentence and the sentence didn't contain  
anything else, it dissapears. Some kind of padded border box should  
atleast be left behind in order to edit it again
* Bug: When adding . inside a sentence, clicking preview results  
in the sentence being split into two seperate sentences at the point  
where the category link was insterted. At this point neither editable  
sentence contains the category link. I would expect the categorylink  
to be, albeit invisible, not a sentence-breakpoint, just an invisible  
thing as part of the sentence.

Errors:
Pressing enter in the edit summary input field caused a fatal error  
(verified several times):
( ! ) Fatal error: Call to undefined method  
stdClass::getWikiOriginal() in /home/janpaul/domains/janpaulposma.nl/ 
public_html/sle/wiki/extensions/InlineEditor/InlineEditor.class.php on  
line 208
Call Stack
#   TimeMemory  FunctionLocation
1   0.0005  131192  {main}( )   ../index.php:0
2   0.0686  10124312MediaWiki-performRequestForTitle( )
../index.php:115
3   0.0786  12044680MediaWiki-performAction( ) ../Wiki.php:69
4   0.0786  12046272wfRunHooks( )   ../Wiki.php:474
5   0.0798  12229488call_user_func_array ( )../Hooks.php:158
6   0.0798  12230512InlineEditor::mediaWikiPerformAction( ) 
../Hooks.php:0
7   0.0799  12233416InlineEditor-render( ) 
../InlineEditor.class.php:68
Pressing Back in the browser and trying to save again by pressing the  
Publish button again went without a problem though.


I must say I reallylike the general flow of the thing!

--
Krinkle


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Re: [Wikitech-l] InlineEditor / Sentence-Level Editing: usability review

2010-11-29 Thread Michael Dale
On 11/29/2010 07:56 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
 2010/11/29 Jan Paul Posma jp.po...@gmail.com:
 Full interview videos will be available on Wikimedia Commons somewhere next 
 month. They are in Dutch, though.

 Michael, can we subtitle those with mwEmbed magic?

 Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

We can. We can even subtitle them with the slick universal subtitles
interface ;)
http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/10/video-labs-universal-subtitles-on-commons/

Hopefully by then I will have time to add a little language selection
dialog at start-up, for now you would have to move the English
subtitle into the do Dutch subtitle name after you complete your
transcription.

--michael

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