Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could isntantly ask you wtf are you commiting here? It's not for lack of wanting to go on IRC. It's technically blocked at my job so I can't go on. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... Note that if just the *port* is firewalled you` may be able to use the web interface: https://webchat.freenode.net/ -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... Note that if just the *port* is firewalled you` may be able to use the web interface: https://webchat.freenode.net/ These are all fine and dandy solutions, but please keep your various companies' policies in mind. It's not worth losing your job just to hang out on IRC :) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Of course it is. Amazing things happen on irc. And what happens in your office? huh? On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... Note that if just the *port* is firewalled you` may be able to use the web interface: https://webchat.freenode.net/ These are all fine and dandy solutions, but please keep your various companies' policies in mind. It's not worth losing your job just to hang out on IRC :) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Given where chad works, im going to go with amazing things ;-) On 2013-02-28 2:07 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Of course it is. Amazing things happen on irc. And what happens in your office? huh? On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... Note that if just the *port* is firewalled you` may be able to use the web interface: https://webchat.freenode.net/ These are all fine and dandy solutions, but please keep your various companies' policies in mind. It's not worth losing your job just to hang out on IRC :) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On 28/02/13 18:48, Brion Vibber wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: it's blocked in my office as well, there are many ways to get through the firewall... most simple is just to install a bouncer or use irssi in a terminal of remote server if port 22 is open... Note that if just the *port* is firewalled you` may be able to use the web interface: https://webchat.freenode.net/ -- brion Note that if just the *port* is firewalled you can connect on another port «All freenode servers listen on ports 6665, , 6667, 6697 (SSL only), 7000 (SSL only), 7070 (SSL only), 8000, 8001 and 8002» http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml The funny thing is that sometimes you have to evade these no-irc blocks to get into a channel ‘supported’ by the company. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: These are all fine and dandy solutions, but please keep your various companies' policies in mind. It's not worth losing your job just to hang out on IRC :) This would be my reasoning. Trust me, if I wanted to I could find a way to get to IRC, the web interface being the simplest of solutions. ;) *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list --- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia - Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel. [1] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23mediawiki/20130123.txt from 12:59 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list --- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia - Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel. The people who arent happy with two channels are going to be happier with 3? What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know) -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list --- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia - Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel. The people who arent happy with two channels are going to be happier with 3? What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know) -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really like IRC for developer discussion, and it's not just because I don't go on IRC. What if you're not online at the time of the discussion? You're completely left out; no, even worse, you have no idea the discussion even took place. This really sucks for important discussions. Whereas on the mailing list, it's always in your inbox, not to mention various mailing list archivers will preserve the discussion forever. tl;dr - If this person isn't even a part of the mailing list, I doubt there's much more IRC can do to help him. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list --- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia - Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel. The people who arent happy with two channels are going to be happier with 3? What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know) -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
But you have logs from irc discussions just as you have your emails - all developer channels are publicly logged On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really like IRC for developer discussion, and it's not just because I don't go on IRC. What if you're not online at the time of the discussion? You're completely left out; no, even worse, you have no idea the discussion even took place. This really sucks for important discussions. Whereas on the mailing list, it's always in your inbox, not to mention various mailing list archivers will preserve the discussion forever. tl;dr - If this person isn't even a part of the mailing list, I doubt there's much more IRC can do to help him. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list --- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia - Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel. The people who arent happy with two channels are going to be happier with 3? What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know) -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
That is not a good comparison whatsoever. There's *no way* I or anybody else has the time or patience to sort through a thousand line plain text file, with automated bot messages, every day just to see if an important conversation was missed. And even if the IRC logs were in some nice pretty format, it's still inconvenient to have to check an additional site. Also, it doesn't allow you to continue the discussion, whereas in the mailing list you can always just reply. IRC should only be used for what it's specifically made for: realtime chat, i.e., when you need a question answered now or when the delayed email style messaging isn't enough. For anything else that doesn't fit in that category, stick to the mailing list. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: But you have logs from irc discussions just as you have your emails - all developer channels are publicly logged On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really like IRC for developer discussion, and it's not just because I don't go on IRC. What if you're not online at the time of the discussion? You're completely left out; no, even worse, you have no idea the discussion even took place. This really sucks for important discussions. Whereas on the mailing list, it's always in your inbox, not to mention various mailing list archivers will preserve the discussion forever. tl;dr - If this person isn't even a part of the mailing list, I doubt there's much more IRC can do to help him. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-27 8:30 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. There are subchannels for certain projects, but no general channel for wikimedia devs of all kinds from all projects. I suppose we could use #wikimedia-dev as a general channel for all developers no matter of project or programming language. What do you think? Bellow is a message written by Gry who doesn't want to be part of this mailing list --- from gry@irc://irc.freenode.net/#wikipedia - Hi, Could we make an IRC channel dedicated to development of software for wikimedia projects (bots, js tools like twinkle, irc bots, etc)? Some people who work on some software for few wikimedia projects would likely benefit if they had a place to discuss its implementation, other than just ask #wikipedia (the largest channel of all). As the questions may get more tricky at times, a smaller, more development-minded channel could be a tad more effective at actually helping (regardless of what project they're from, be that wikipedia or wikibooks or something else). There currently is #wikimedia-dev which actually is a place for #mediawiki devs to meet, but they're not too happy with two channels either [1] and it could be possible to discuss a take over. Or otherwise a new channel named, say, #wikimedia-devel. The people who arent happy with two channels are going to be happier with 3? What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know) -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Petr Bena wrote: Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel I skimmed it. Another channel seems kind of insane (#wikimedia-devel was proposed). I'd recommend using #wikimedia, #wikimedia-tech, #wikimedia-dev, #mediawiki, or #mediawiki-scripts for the purposes you're describing. #wikipedia is mostly dead these days, but if you wanted to even use that channel, nobody would object. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Petr Bena wrote: Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel I skimmed it. Another channel seems kind of insane (#wikimedia-devel was proposed). I'd recommend using #wikimedia, #wikimedia-tech, #wikimedia-dev, #mediawiki, or #mediawiki-scripts for the purposes you're describing. #wikipedia is mostly dead these days, but if you wanted to even use that channel, nobody would object. +1. No new channels, no new mailing lists, it just serves to fracture discussion even further. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Tyler Romeo wrote: That is not a good comparison whatsoever. There's *no way* I or anybody else has the time or patience to sort through a thousand line plain text file, with automated bot messages, every day just to see if an important conversation was missed. And even if the IRC logs were in some nice pretty format, it's still inconvenient to have to check an additional site. Also, it doesn't allow you to continue the discussion, whereas in the mailing list you can always just reply. IRC should only be used for what it's specifically made for: realtime chat, i.e., when you need a question answered now or when the delayed email style messaging isn't enough. For anything else that doesn't fit in that category, stick to the mailing list. Hi. I think you're only allowed to extol the virtues of mailing lists once you learn to properly post to one. ;-) When you have a free minute, please read and digest https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette. A general debate about asynchronous v. synchronous communication methods probably isn't needed here today. Both are hugely valuable to the Wikimedia and MediaWiki communities. And both participants in this conversation seem to be overlooking the canonical form of Wikimedia interpersonal communication: posting to the wiki. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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I think you're only allowed to extol the virtues of mailing lists once you learn to properly post to one. ;-) When you have a free minute, please read and digest https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette . :P Sorry about that. GMail bottom-posts automatically and I always forget to remove it. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On 02/27/2013 04:29 AM, Petr Bena wrote: as Gry in #wikipedia recently mentioned, there is no IRC channel for general wikimedia developer purposes - project wide and language wide. Let's check http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels #wikimedia-tech Home for the community for technical support and discussion about wiki bots, wiki templates, mediawiki software and other software used by the community. Here wikimedians can also check, ask, report technical problems or issues and sysadmins will see. Publicly logged. #wikimedia-dev The software development team of the Wikimedia Foundation. publicly logged. #mediawiki Discussion of the MediaWiki software, logs fwiw we also have the Tech ambassadors http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors Hence #wikimedia-tech sounds like a good default. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On 02/27/2013 09:05 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know) I interpret #wikimedia-tech as intended for tech support on WMF wikis. I don't know if that's how it's predominantly used. The current channels are definitely a bit confusing. Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On 02/27/2013 10:54 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 02/27/2013 09:05 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: What's #wikimedia-tech used for now a days? From what I gather it is used for general technical help on wikimedia projects, which sounds kind of in the same direction as what you are suggesting (disclaimer: I don't generally idle/join that channel, so dont really know) I interpret #wikimedia-tech as intended for tech support on WMF wikis. I don't know if that's how it's predominantly used. The current channels are definitely a bit confusing. The good side of this is perhaps that we can define them for what they are good. #mediawiki is, in practice, where a lot of stuff happens - well beyond strict MediaWiki core development. Good to find people with developer knowledge on many topics (both MediaWiki and Wikimedia tech) at any time. In fact not so good for 3rd party newbie users/admins looking for help because it is really noisy with people and bots. #wikimedia-tech is, in practice, where you get a good balance between Wikimedia tech specific discussion and support. #wikimedia-dev is nowadays... what? People active there usually can be found in the previous channels and would perhaps be open to move more to these two in exchange of having to follow an extra channel. I'm not sure myself how useful / productive is to have a WMF centric public IRC channel. I personally don't see a strong need to change this, but if someone (like the op of this thread) asks then I think it is good to look at #mediawiki and #wikimedia-tech as default destinations instead of promoting (or creating!) more semi-redundant ones. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:04:41 -0800, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Petr Bena wrote: Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel I skimmed it. Another channel seems kind of insane (#wikimedia-devel was proposed). I'd recommend using #wikimedia, #wikimedia-tech, #wikimedia-dev, #mediawiki, or #mediawiki-scripts for the purposes you're describing. #wikipedia is mostly dead these days, but if you wanted to even use that channel, nobody would object. +1. No new channels, no new mailing lists, it just serves to fracture discussion even further. -Chad +∞ There is already a pile of channels all over the place that are supposed to have relevant discussion. I try to idle in them. Though frankly they're so separated I basically never see any relevant discussions inside the other channels. I was previously in #mediawiki, #wikimedia-dev, #wikimedia-labs, #wikimedia-office, #wikimedia-tech, and #wikimedia-mobile. I'm subscribed to 6 different channels on MediaWiki stuff already. And a few days ago I dumped an idea in #mediawiki. And was suggested to go and join #wikimedia-wikidata too. Frankly, it's a blessing that FreeNode has dropped their 20 channel restriction. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
Okay, but this whole discussion is not much about new channel, but about current #wikimedia-dev so let's get back to the original idea. What about making #wikimedia-dev some universal place for wikimedia devs of all sorts? Not just #mediawiki devs and so, but also bot devs, tool devs etc... that's what gry meant On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:04:41 -0800, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Petr Bena wrote: Did you even read my e-mail? I was talking about converting current -dev to general developer channel, not about creating another channel I skimmed it. Another channel seems kind of insane (#wikimedia-devel was proposed). I'd recommend using #wikimedia, #wikimedia-tech, #wikimedia-dev, #mediawiki, or #mediawiki-scripts for the purposes you're describing. #wikipedia is mostly dead these days, but if you wanted to even use that channel, nobody would object. +1. No new channels, no new mailing lists, it just serves to fracture discussion even further. -Chad +∞ There is already a pile of channels all over the place that are supposed to have relevant discussion. I try to idle in them. Though frankly they're so separated I basically never see any relevant discussions inside the other channels. I was previously in #mediawiki, #wikimedia-dev, #wikimedia-labs, #wikimedia-office, #wikimedia-tech, and #wikimedia-mobile. I'm subscribed to 6 different channels on MediaWiki stuff already. And a few days ago I dumped an idea in #mediawiki. And was suggested to go and join #wikimedia-wikidata too. Frankly, it's a blessing that FreeNode has dropped their 20 channel restriction. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On 27/02/13 15:23, Tyler Romeo wrote: Also, with the exception of asking for technical help, I don't really like IRC for developer discussion, and it's not just because I don't go on IRC. If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could isntantly ask you wtf are you commiting here? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, but this whole discussion is not much about new channel, but about current #wikimedia-dev so let's get back to the original idea. What about making #wikimedia-dev some universal place for wikimedia devs of all sorts? Not just #mediawiki devs and so, but also bot devs, tool devs etc... that's what gry meant I have no problem with this. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could isntantly ask you wtf are you commiting here? It's not for lack of wanting to go on IRC. It's technically blocked at my job so I can't go on. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Purpose of #wikimedia-dev
On 28.02.2013 8:40, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: If you are coding/reviewing MW code, I recommend you to be available on the irc channel. That way we could isntantly ask you wtf are you commiting here? It's not for lack of wanting to go on IRC. It's technically blocked at my job so I can't go on. *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Many people (including myself) consider IRC a major waster of time. It's too simple to spend time chatting in IRC channels instead of actually learning / doing job etc. My professional growth at younger time was partially ruined by chat addictions. Now I try to stay away from IRC when possible. It's a bit off-topic, however might be a good warning for younger people. IRC has another major disadvantage - when you are living in different timezone, your message will be easily missed by people from very different timezone. Dmitriy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
