Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On 11 April 2013 00:29, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: As of today this falls in the category of NO to projects depending on unconvinced maintainers. In this case the Commons maintainers. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Allowable_file_types If the Commons community is happy to take this format, fine. But we need to know before the deadline for accepting projects. Or you need to change your strategy. That's just a list of formats that are enabled in the software, that are free formats. There wasn't a vote on WebM, for example - it was more like finally! when it became technically feasible. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/10/2013 03:16 PM, Rahul Maliakkal wrote: In my GSOC project , i plan on adding *.wav support* to commons As of today this falls in the category of NO to projects depending on unconvinced maintainers. In this case the Commons maintainers. http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Commons:Project_scope/** Allowable_file_typeshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Allowable_file_types If the Commons community is happy to take this format, fine. But we need to know before the deadline for accepting projects. Or you need to change your strategy. Another question is of course how feasible is to include adding *.wav support* to commons in the scope of your project. In my extension i plan on adding 5 second recordings of words, 5 seconds of .wav would be at max 200 kb more than 5 seconds of .ogg(worst case).I dont see any harm in that. Is an exclusive permission possible ? Relevant: WAV audio support via TimedMediaHandler https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=32135https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32135 Good to see that mdale is already involved there. Micheal has been really helpful uptill now -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**User:Qgilhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 4/10/13 4:29 PM, Quim Gil wrote: On 04/10/2013 03:16 PM, Rahul Maliakkal wrote: In my GSOC project , i plan on adding *.wav support* to commons I don't see any email on this list that includes that quote, nor does Ruhul's GSoC proposal mention anything about WAV. Could you provide some context by either quoting the entire message or pointing to where this discussion is actually taking place? Thanks! Ryan Kaldari I will be uploading my v2.0 of my gsoc proposal today ,you could see it then http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-April/068336.html(Scroll down a littlle bit :P) __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On 04/11/2013 12:00 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 11 April 2013 00:29, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: As of today this falls in the category of NO to projects depending on unconvinced maintainers. In this case the Commons maintainers. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Allowable_file_types If the Commons community is happy to take this format, fine. But we need to know before the deadline for accepting projects. Or you need to change your strategy. That's just a list of formats that are enabled in the software, that are free formats. There wasn't a vote on WebM, for example - it was more like finally! when it became technically feasible. I'm just trying to be consistent: a GSOC project can't force the agenda of a Wikimedia project. Also conservative when it comes to manage GSOC students expectations. These bug reports have been open for years, and I don't want to guarantee to a GSOC student that they can count on seeing them fixed now. Bug 20252 - Support for WAV and AIFF by converting files to FLAC automatically https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20252 Bug 32135 - WAV audio support via TimedMediaHandler https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32135 Then again, a GSOC project can be a catalyst of change if you get a determined student and a qualified mentor to agree on something and push the agenda. We have the ingredients here, but sill you need to move fast to see if this is a missing feature just because, or if the Commons community has some strong opinion about it. I'm not the one to be convinced and probably wikitech-l is not the place to have a decision either. Please continue the discussion in the bug reports, making sure the Commons community is aware and involved. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On 04/11/2013 10:48 AM, Quim Gil wrote: I'm just trying to be consistent: a GSOC project can't force the agenda of a Wikimedia project. Also conservative when it comes to manage GSOC students expectations. These bug reports have been open for years, and I don't want to guarantee to a GSOC student that they can count on seeing them fixed now. Bug 20252 - Support for WAV and AIFF by converting files to FLAC automatically https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20252 Bug 32135 - WAV audio support via TimedMediaHandler https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32135 Adding Wav to TMH is a pretty small technical addition. Audio transcoding was already added by Jan. Adding .wav support on top of that, is probably one of the easiest parts of the project. I don't think the project would be forcing an agenda on commons, its analogous work to add TIFF support a while back. Also this is mostly an intermediate solution while browsers can only capture and upload PCM wav data. Once browsers ship the full record api, we will be able to 'export out' the captured Opus audio and upload that. Then transcode from that Opus oga to additional formats that can be played in ( other ) browsers and devices. --michael ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On 04/10/2013 03:16 PM, Rahul Maliakkal wrote: In my GSOC project , i plan on adding *.wav support* to commons As of today this falls in the category of NO to projects depending on unconvinced maintainers. In this case the Commons maintainers. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope/Allowable_file_types If the Commons community is happy to take this format, fine. But we need to know before the deadline for accepting projects. Or you need to change your strategy. Another question is of course how feasible is to include adding *.wav support* to commons in the scope of your project. Relevant: WAV audio support via TimedMediaHandler https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32135 Good to see that mdale is already involved there. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On 04/10/2013 07:29 PM, Quim Gil wrote: If the Commons community is happy to take this format, fine. But we need to know before the deadline for accepting projects. Or you need to change your strategy. An alternative approach is server-side conversion to a Commons-approved format such as Ogg, before uploading to Commons. Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On 4/10/13 4:29 PM, Quim Gil wrote: On 04/10/2013 03:16 PM, Rahul Maliakkal wrote: In my GSOC project , i plan on adding *.wav support* to commons I don't see any email on this list that includes that quote, nor does Ruhul's GSoC proposal mention anything about WAV. Could you provide some context by either quoting the entire message or pointing to where this discussion is actually taking place? Thanks! Ryan Kaldari ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] wav support to Commons (was Re:Advice Needed)
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't see any email on this list that includes that quote, nor does Ruhul's GSoC proposal mention anything about WAV. Could you provide some context by either quoting the entire message or pointing to where this discussion is actually taking place? Thanks! Looks like it was on commons-l today. -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
