Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave 200 Mb FD Link For Sale
will that do 26 miles? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Dragonwave 23 GHz Airpair all outdoor link available for sale that is being taken down this week. It is complete with 2' dishes and power supplies. It has been in service for about 1 year without issue. The link is 200 MB full duplex. I believe Dragonwave will supply next day replacement on this link for $500 per side. Asking $10K complete plus ship. MSRP is approix $24K Offlist with questions. Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 516-551-1131 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: "John Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jason Hodge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jason Hodge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload" traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's "Yes, we will peer with you.", but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike Hammett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Dennis Burgess" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
My whole goal is to get people to think outside of buying T1s from Ma Bell. I'd assume your network goes close to 131, where there's fiber to be had. I'm not sure how close Brian's comes to 131, but if you guys can get on the same fiber out of town, that's be great. A 20 year IRU on fiber is very cost effective. There's a ring that goes around the Grand Rapids metro area as well. I'll let you guys work out the details, but I might be able to find some more providers in those towns. If I had to pay that much for bandwidth, I'd be going through the various directories and lists calling anyone within 50 miles of the bandwidth source asking if they want in. Depending on who all is around, maybe you can form another company whose sole responsibility is to purchase the bandwidth and fiber, then sell it out to the member companies. onelasvegas.com seems to think there's all kinds of providers in the Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo area. I'd look through that site and Matt Larsen's WISP Directory and see who all is around and what you can arrange. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... 35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland. My bandwidth comes over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland. Used to be T1's, but I saw the $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them from wholesaling requirements. I had to defy my business partner to put the fiber in, but when the T1 renewal came up at $2250/month, up from $1050/month, for our 3 circuits, he was glad I had. $200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s. It gets better after that, but not much. Brian and I have talked before. He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share bandwidth, but I am still looking. Mike Hammett wrote: He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well. I'm sure there's more out there. Grand Rapids isn't far away either. Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber based BGP). I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo... Brian R... Rohrbacher anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction. Maybe you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get separately and take advantage of the scale. There's at least 2 and maybe as high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area they may all just buy from one, but I dunno. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
I am currently all set. I connect to another WISP, Michwave, (Jon Langeler posts here every so often) and he is connected to norlight. So I am already on fiber. I have a 7 mile and a 19 mile hop to get this done. Brian Mike Hammett wrote: My whole goal is to get people to think outside of buying T1s from Ma Bell. I'd assume your network goes close to 131, where there's fiber to be had. I'm not sure how close Brian's comes to 131, but if you guys can get on the same fiber out of town, that's be great. A 20 year IRU on fiber is very cost effective. There's a ring that goes around the Grand Rapids metro area as well. I'll let you guys work out the details, but I might be able to find some more providers in those towns. If I had to pay that much for bandwidth, I'd be going through the various directories and lists calling anyone within 50 miles of the bandwidth source asking if they want in. Depending on who all is around, maybe you can form another company whose sole responsibility is to purchase the bandwidth and fiber, then sell it out to the member companies. onelasvegas.com seems to think there's all kinds of providers in the Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo area. I'd look through that site and Matt Larsen's WISP Directory and see who all is around and what you can arrange. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... 35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland. My bandwidth comes over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland. Used to be T1's, but I saw the $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them from wholesaling requirements. I had to defy my business partner to put the fiber in, but when the T1 renewal came up at $2250/month, up from $1050/month, for our 3 circuits, he was glad I had. $200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s. It gets better after that, but not much. Brian and I have talked before. He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share bandwidth, but I am still looking. Mike Hammett wrote: He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well. I'm sure there's more out there. Grand Rapids isn't far away either. Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber based BGP). I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo... Brian R... Rohrbacher anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction. Maybe you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get separately and take advantage of the scale. There's at least 2 and maybe as high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area they may all just buy from one, but I dunno. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
I knew Jon was in Michigan, but I didn't know exactly where. Jon did all of the hard work. By partnering up with area WISPs, you never know what opportunities may arise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... I am currently all set. I connect to another WISP, Michwave, (Jon Langeler posts here every so often) and he is connected to norlight. So I am already on fiber. I have a 7 mile and a 19 mile hop to get this done. Brian Mike Hammett wrote: My whole goal is to get people to think outside of buying T1s from Ma Bell. I'd assume your network goes close to 131, where there's fiber to be had. I'm not sure how close Brian's comes to 131, but if you guys can get on the same fiber out of town, that's be great. A 20 year IRU on fiber is very cost effective. There's a ring that goes around the Grand Rapids metro area as well. I'll let you guys work out the details, but I might be able to find some more providers in those towns. If I had to pay that much for bandwidth, I'd be going through the various directories and lists calling anyone within 50 miles of the bandwidth source asking if they want in. Depending on who all is around, maybe you can form another company whose sole responsibility is to purchase the bandwidth and fiber, then sell it out to the member companies. onelasvegas.com seems to think there's all kinds of providers in the Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo area. I'd look through that site and Matt Larsen's WISP Directory and see who all is around and what you can arrange. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... 35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland. My bandwidth comes over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland. Used to be T1's, but I saw the $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them from wholesaling requirements. I had to defy my business partner to put the fiber in, but when the T1 renewal came up at $2250/month, up from $1050/month, for our 3 circuits, he was glad I had. $200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s. It gets better after that, but not much. Brian and I have talked before. He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share bandwidth, but I am still looking. Mike Hammett wrote: He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well. I'm sure there's more out there. Grand Rapids isn't far away either. Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber based BGP). I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo... Brian R... Rohrbacher anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction. Maybe you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get separately and take advantage of the scale. There's at least 2 and maybe as high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area they may all just buy from one, but I dunno. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -Original Message- From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Yeah, I know. But that is getting cheaper all the time. If you get the $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as possible. If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town. Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is. Just have to keep banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives up. We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM To:
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1 from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, I know. But that is getting cheaper all the time. If you get the $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as possible. If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town. Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is. Just have to keep banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives up. We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Heh... We started with Westnet here too! Those were the days. Then MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1 from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, I know. But that is getting cheaper all the time. If you get the $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as possible. If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town. Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is. Just have to keep banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives up. We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone know of a good site or have contacts for people who could quote in my area? We're looking for 30-40 megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable rate, we'd go for it. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft
[WISPA] Dragonwave Range
How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
10 miles with a big dish I am guessing? On 12/1/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
Not sure what you mean by "big" I have a 7 mile 38ghz link with 2ft dishes that runs at 99.9%. :) Travis Josh Luthman wrote: 10 miles with a big dish I am guessing? On 12/1/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
You answered my question =) By big I mean a six footer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you mean by big I have a 7 mile 38ghz link with 2ft dishes that runs at 99.9%. :) Travis Josh Luthman wrote: 10 miles with a big dish I am guessing? On 12/1/08, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Qwest was the merger of US West and Qwest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Heh... We started with Westnet here too! Those were the days. Then MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1 from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, I know. But that is getting cheaper all the time. If you get the $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as possible. If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town. Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is. Just have to keep banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives up. We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks have POPs in your town. I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone know of a good site or have contacts for people who could quote in my area? We're looking for 30-40 megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable rate, we'd go for it. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] CCIE friend in VA looking for work
My apologies if this is not the best place to do this, but a very cool associate and former coworker of mine lives in Richmond, Virginia and is looking for work. He's a CCIE, is with wireless technologies (wi-fi, 3G, GSM, 4.9/5.9, WiMax), and has great account handling skills, particularly on federal sales stuff. (He's got all sorts of security clearances, which I understand involves is an involved process.) I'm looking to hook him up with people and was wondering if anyone here had any contacts that I might forward to him. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
Brad how about my latest one? 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup link as well. ;) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Ha! You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis! lol Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info. Must be nice to be in Idaho =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad how about my latest one? 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup link as well. ;) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Ha! You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis! lol Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
If they pay me enough I'll do it despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups. Nothing like a big middle finger to the WISPs of the USA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
Yes, the long links are nice... but the downside is we pay double for our bandwidth... so I guess it's a wash... :) Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info. Must be nice to be in Idaho =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad how about my latest one? 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup link as well. ;) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Ha! You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis! lol Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Is there a central resource for this type of information? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks have POPs in your town. I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone know of a good site or have contacts for people who could quote in my area? We're looking for 30-40 megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable rate, we'd go for it. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Sorry for the delay in my response... had my hard drive crash over the weekend (on a side note does anyone have any recommendations for hard drive data recovery, not everything was backed up!). Anyways something is off if that is the quote you just got. Either they are giving you the special pricing still (it was $7800 per link plus dishes etc. so that makes me think that's what your getting) or the person that told me the new pricing was off... Anyways hit me offlist with the quote and we can talk. For that matter, anyone that gives me a current quote from Trango I would be happy to talk to you about Dragonwave with... its amazing what I can do with a quote from another manufacturer... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Daniel, I just got a quote back from Trango for the following: 18ghz (311Mbps full-duplex) with split IDU/ODU 2ft dishes 48v rack mount power supplies Total price = $9,800 Care to share the pricing on a Dragonwave for the same? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: I guess that's a personal preference. I've installed way more Stratex/Ceragon/Dragonwave links using the voltmeter design and probably just prefer it that way. And yes 5 months ago there might have been a difference when the gear was on sale from Trango and before Dragonwave dropped its pricing. I just did this the other day with a customer. I was able to match Trango for the same throughput Daniel White 3-dB Networks _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Hi, Having used the voltmeter vs. LED method of aligning, I will take the LED any day. One less piece of equipment to have to deal with on the tower, and a much more accurate way to see the true RSSI on the link. And, I think we already did the pricing thing about 5 months ago, didn't we? Seems like the Dragonwave was about $3,000 more for less of a radio... ;) Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Tom, Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port in them? I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer I was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the Trango Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... but I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with your hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made reading the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I want. One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave... from what I understand I can come damn close :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I thought I'd share my recent experience OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And it just freakin Worked! WooHoo! Man, I like this radio. I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor unit, comes with 3 ports, 1 fiber, 1 GigE, 1 out-of-band managemnet, and supports inband management on the GigE. What I thought was unique was that either of the two Ethernet ports could be used to provide the POE power input. And also optionally can just run stanrdard Electrical wire to the Molex connector instead if prefer. But I was extremely impressed at the flexibilty in options to install this. The alignment LED is also awesome, that is positioned in a convenient place and shows actual RSSI DB number, as it really speeds up
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Brad, That's fair if it reduces cost. In general I'd rather not have it... but in general you shouldn't have to mess with the ODU on the tower (all of the ODU's were installed in the wrong polarization when I got there). The waveguides were installed by a tech support tech I heard... explaining some of it... but I still don't like them :-) But at least now I understand the reasoning behind them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... One reason. Cost. Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all their supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular. The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws lock washers. I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and opted to leave the washers off. Now the waveguide adapters come with screws and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring. While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out. It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down rather than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you would tighten lug nuts on a wheel. I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to allow the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing. Not sure if that has been done or if it is in the making. I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work ok if you have the align mode on. Without the align mode the LED display is pretty useless. We have found it is also not a good idea to be running link or rssi commands from the console while aligning the antennas. Doing so will slow or diminish the accuracy of the LED readings. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One more quick rant... those waveguide pieces SUCK. They caused many problems (screws on them stripping out, or some tech installing them the wrong way before it was sent up the tower and installed so I when we went to align them it wouldn't work because the waveguide was twisted 90 degrees...) I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Tom, Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port in them? I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer I was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the Trango Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... but I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with your hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made reading the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I want. One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave... from what I understand I can come damn close :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I thought I'd share my recent experience OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And it just freakin Worked! WooHoo! Man, I like this radio. I specificaly
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Here was my thought. One they are attached with those latches, which are pretty heavy duty to me. Second, the dish assembly does not weigh that much, and I didn't feel I was doing any harm. I was only using it with the dish assembly very loosely bolted to the tower... I don't think I was putting that much stress on everything. It wasn't for fine adjustment... used the dish for that, but general pointing as the dishes were mounted by a third party contractor... Just went back and scanned the manual... the only reference I can find to those handles is a recommendation to use them to lock the ODU's to the tower. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... Wow, just noticed this comment and felt this should be addressed. The handles should not be used for alignment as the ODU is attached to the antenna - suspended with relatively light duty hardware. This hardware is only designed to support the ODU and not intended to be used to move the entire antenna assembly. This is also true with Ceragon, PCOM, DMC and Bridgewave to be sure. The PCOM 38GHz ODUs do have a sort of bump stop built-in that will make contact before the ODU is pivoted and eventually forced off, but still the ODU is never to be used as a handle to align with. Always use the built- in alignment mechanism in the antenna mount and never the ODU itself Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... One reason. Cost. Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all their supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular. The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws lock washers. I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and opted to leave the washers off. Now the waveguide adapters come with screws and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring. While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out. It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down rather than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you would tighten lug nuts on a wheel. I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to allow the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing. Not sure if that has been done or if it is in the making. I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work ok if you have the align mode on. Without the align mode the LED display is pretty useless. We have found it is also not a good idea to be running link or rssi commands from the console while aligning the antennas. Doing so will slow or diminish the accuracy of the LED readings. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One more quick rant... those waveguide pieces SUCK. They caused many problems (screws on them stripping out, or some tech installing them the wrong way before it was sent up the tower and installed so I when we went to align them it wouldn't work because the waveguide was twisted 90 degrees...) I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Tom, Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port in them? I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer I was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the Trango Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... but I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is about worthless if the sun is shining on it,
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Yeah, I know. It was just a happier time when they didn't exist is what I was trying to say :) Randy Mike Hammett wrote: Qwest was the merger of US West and Qwest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Heh... We started with Westnet here too! Those were the days. Then MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1 from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, I know. But that is getting cheaper all the time. If you get the $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as possible. If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town. Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is. Just have to keep banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives up. We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming
Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
Who gets what in return? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table? From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Here is my philosophy... you don't need to know the conversion. The idea is to peak the dish as best as possible, if that is above our below the target RSSI its really not something you can fix on the tower besides alignment. Side lobes are just as easy to see with the voltmeter in my opinion. So once the dish is aligned, you can figure out where the extra dB loss is at (Fresnel zone issues for instance). On the Trango gear, if I am 10dB off yet I know I am on the main lobe because the side lobes are 10dB higher... and I can't get the dish better aligned... what advantage am I sitting at with the RSSI indicator? The voltmeter is much more accurate, and adjusts immediately to a decimal so I have a clearer picture quicker on if its getting bigger or worse. I can't argue with your practical example there... my WISP experience was probably different from the norm in having so many dedicated tower engineers/techs, dedicated customer install fix techs, and dedicated installers. We rarely had to rely on techs from other departments to do something outside their job... but for a smaller WISP I understand that is the norm. I personally would like to see both on the ODU :-) but not at the expense of the BNC connector Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Shouldn't it be attached with a BNC connector on o You got me there. If the proper cables exist to accomplish that, its all good to use a voltmeter. Provided that the the Voltage to DB conversions is accurate, and that the installer can remember what voltage they should have to a certain db. Where this applies is with side lobes and such. When its a DB reading, it is always clear whether you are within 2-4 db of the actuall signal you engineered to reieve, For example, you instantly recognize that if you are 20db off calculated signal, you are probably aligned to a side lobe. The math conversion doesn't have to be made in the head. Voltage to db curve is not always proportional. For example when aligning Proxim 60Ghz, it was a voltage range from 1 to 3 volts. Sure I knew 2 volts was our target number, but what did it really mean if I got 1.34 volts? It meant looking at a graph on paper, and calculating what DB it was equivellent to. So in summary I'm saying it may be just as easy to align and find the center with a Voltmeter, maybe even easier. But with an LED, its easier to have a ball park view of where you are at with alignment. The LED also give the value that its there for times when you aren't repaired in advance. I can give an example of last week, when the Tech did not fasten the antenna bolts tight enough, and the antenna blew slightly out of alignment. When I was out in the field on sasles calls, I was able to send the clsoest tech, who was NOT prepared with the right voltmenter and special cable, and a charged laptop battery, and he was still empowered to fix the roof top link w/ the LED. All our techs, at minimum, carry a wrench with them. On a side note, if this were on a real tower, this oviously is not an advantage, as nobody would justify climbing a comercial tower, without being adequately prepared with tools/meters needed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex - Link Quality We looked at the BER results, etc. I guess what I was saying was I did not get the opportunity to kill them and test PPS or actual throughput... all I did was climb the tower where they had already been installed, align the dish, and configure the IDU. So I can't give a completely fair analysis of the radios... - LED I agree it is bright and position is optimal. With the sun shining directly on it I had to constantly cover it up with my hand to read the numbers though. If I had a voltmeter I would have just repositioned it on the ODU. The position of the LED is also fine on the ODU, but depending on how the dish was mounted and I was hanging off the tower it could be in a position blocked by a crossmember, etc. There is no way to engineer this better, but the ability to move the voltmeter around is preferable. I also prefer the accuracy of the voltmeter to the two digit LED... I guess my optimal solution would be to include both on the ODU... - Voltmeter... Shouldn't it be attached with a BNC connector on one end and wired into the voltmeter on the other. I don't understand your comment about having to deal with the wires... - Mounting Hoist I agree... it would make life much easier if they could install a
[WISPA] Cisco 2955
Anyone used one of these? Seems like a very nice, rugged switch. We used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage fluctuations. We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering it on the 24 v side. Replacing it with a mikrotik for now. Curious if anyone else has tried these and if this is normal behavior on a solar site for this switch? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
I have personally noticed that at least on smaller dishes (3ft and lower) Andrew dishes seem to bolt up to smaller pipes... I don't know if Trango ships with Andrew dishes... but maybe a consideration in the future... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex The only thing I do NOT like about the Radiowave dishes are The mounts are designed for 4 pole. We usually mount to 3 pole, based on weight, availabilty, and ease to work with. It can be mounted securely to 2-3/8 pole, if lots of washers are used. Mounting to 2 pole, doesn't really work. In an ideal world, it can be argued that for 3ft dishes, that 3 pole is the minimal size viable to keep it stable enough and prevent pivot windload. But if the only option is to mount to a 2 dia member, its the facts. Often to use these mounts on 2 pole, installers will use an intermediate, pole to pole mount, and mount a 4 pole to the 2 tower member pole. But its a pain in the neck to do that and much heavier to hoist, and the antenna is still vulnerable to the weakest link, the 2 tower member. Or they Shim the Ubolts with a third pipe The problem is that many Towers have only 2 dia members at the 200ft heights. Unlike a freestanding mast fastened on one side only, a 2 dia tower member is usually strong enough for the large antenna. What I'd like to see is an adapter made, that will adapt the 4 design mount to support 2 pole. This would be accomplished by a metal bracket that the 4 Ubolts would be inserted through, prior to sliding through the mount holes. I'd have much more confidence in that, than 2 inches deep of washers. Note: this is not a disadvantage of Trango, I see this problem with most all large antenna mounts, designed for mission critical 4 pole mount. Some other vendors have a hole/bracket on the mount, that allowed a cross member from it, so a bar could be extended off to the side, to help stablize it, where only 2 pole was available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... Wow, just noticed this comment and felt this should be addressed. The handles should not be used for alignment as the ODU is attached to the antenna - suspended with relatively light duty hardware. This hardware is only designed to support the ODU and not intended to be used to move the entire antenna assembly. This is also true with Ceragon, PCOM, DMC and Bridgewave to be sure. The PCOM 38GHz ODUs do have a sort of bump stop built-in that will make contact before the ODU is pivoted and eventually forced off, but still the ODU is never to be used as a handle to align with. Always use the built-in alignment mechanism in the antenna mount and never the ODU itself Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... One reason. Cost. Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all their supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular. The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws lock washers. I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and opted to leave the washers off. Now the waveguide adapters come with screws and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring. While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out. It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down rather than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you would tighten lug nuts on a wheel. I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to allow the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing. Not sure if that has been done or if it is in the making. I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work ok if you have the align mode on. Without the align mode the LED display is pretty useless. We have found it is also not a good idea to be running link or rssi commands from the console while aligning the antennas. Doing so will slow or diminish the accuracy of the LED readings. Brad -Original Message-
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
I have not used one, but being a Cisco I would think that it would be rock solid. We've started using MOXA switches and so far rock solid. Plus having two 24VDC inputs helps me sleep at night. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955 Anyone used one of these? Seems like a very nice, rugged switch. We used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage fluctuations. We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering it on the 24 v side. Replacing it with a mikrotik for now. Curious if anyone else has tried these and if this is normal behavior on a solar site for this switch? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
I wouldn't mind living in Idaho if it were next to Louisiana :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info. Must be nice to be in Idaho =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad how about my latest one? 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup link as well. ;) Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Ha! You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis! lol Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc .. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955 Anyone used one of these? Seems like a very nice, rugged switch. We used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage fluctuations. We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering it on the 24 v side. Replacing it with a mikrotik for now. Curious if anyone else has tried these and if this is normal behavior on a solar site for this switch? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Not really. Years of research on my own behalf. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Is there a central resource for this type of information? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks have POPs in your town. I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone know of a good site or have contacts for people who could quote in my area? We're looking for 30-40 megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable rate, we'd go for it. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29,
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
ah, okay. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Yeah, I know. It was just a happier time when they didn't exist is what I was trying to say :) Randy Mike Hammett wrote: Qwest was the merger of US West and Qwest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Heh... We started with Westnet here too! Those were the days. Then MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days. Randy Travis Johnson wrote: Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1 from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown wrote: Yeah, I know. But that is getting cheaper all the time. If you get the $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as possible. If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town. Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is. Just have to keep banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives up. We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your NOC. :( Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
I have no Cisco network gear of myself but I have several customers that have gone through multiple routers and switches in the last 6 months. Can't give you any models specifically but I know they were in the four and five digit price point. Replaced by a Routerboard in case anyone is interested =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc .. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955 Anyone used one of these? Seems like a very nice, rugged switch. We used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage fluctuations. We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering it on the 24 v side. Replacing it with a mikrotik for now. Curious if anyone else has tried these and if this is normal behavior on a solar site for this switch? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
It will go that far... the question is how much down time do you want? ;) Where are you located? What is the power output of the radios? What size dishes? Travis Matt wrote: Brad how about my latest one? 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup link as well. ;) How far will a 11ghz licensed link go? Have a couple 300 foot towers 58 miles apart acording to topo plot both on excellent elevation. Yeah, 58 miles, I am dreaming I know. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
More research proves you are probably right. the converter we have shuts down - or quits converting - at 11v. Recent storms have let batteries get that low a couple times. Ordering a new converter today that will go down to 7.5 v and adding more solar panels soon. Randy Gino Villarini wrote: Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc .. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955 Anyone used one of these? Seems like a very nice, rugged switch. We used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage fluctuations. We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering it on the 24 v side. Replacing it with a mikrotik for now. Curious if anyone else has tried these and if this is normal behavior on a solar site for this switch? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
If Google would start a partnership program where service providers could offer a free Internet service in exchange for a revenue split with Google for ads inserted into web content streams then we would have a viable option for delivering free Internet. Google has the technology to make this work. I know from my experiences with my Google Adsense account for search that Google makes money from ads and is willing to share in that system. All they need to do is offer a network / affiliate arrangement just like the broadcast networks / local affiliates do with television and radio. Internet can work the same way if the planets align properly. I do not mind giving Internet away to everyone as long as we all share in the upside. I have a feeling that greed will kill this idea though. Everybody wants their piece of the pie to be the largest. Until Google understands the amount of time and money required to properly operate a network I fear they will not value our contributions fairly. We are the stepchildren of broadband. I hope we do not all turn into pumpkins at midnight at the Free Internet Ball. Scriv On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
I doubt you 2955 will run at 7.5 VDC. Specs indicate 18 - 32VDC. I would think you need a 24VDC power source and not a 12VDC. I am surprised it ran at 12V (or 14 on a fully charged battery) On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More research proves you are probably right. the converter we have shuts down - or quits converting - at 11v. Recent storms have let batteries get that low a couple times. Ordering a new converter today that will go down to 7.5 v and adding more solar panels soon. Randy Gino Villarini wrote: Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc .. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955 Anyone used one of these? Seems like a very nice, rugged switch. We used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage fluctuations. We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering it on the 24 v side. Replacing it with a mikrotik for now. Curious if anyone else has tried these and if this is normal behavior on a solar site for this switch? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
It was a 24v source, (up-converted from 12v), but when the batteries dropped to 11 v the upconverter shut off and pushed out only 11 (instead of 24), and yeah, it didn't work and may have corrupted something. Randy Adam Goodman wrote: I doubt you 2955 will run at 7.5 VDC. Specs indicate 18 - 32VDC. I would think you need a 24VDC power source and not a 12VDC. I am surprised it ran at 12V (or 14 on a fully charged battery) On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More research proves you are probably right. the converter we have shuts down - or quits converting - at 11v. Recent storms have let batteries get that low a couple times. Ordering a new converter today that will go down to 7.5 v and adding more solar panels soon. Randy Gino Villarini wrote: Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc .. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955 Anyone used one of these? Seems like a very nice, rugged switch. We used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage fluctuations. We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering it on the 24 v side. Replacing it with a mikrotik for now. Curious if anyone else has tried these and if this is normal behavior on a solar site for this switch? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race
Upset about Bell Canada's system for allocating bandwidth fairly among internet users, the developers of the uTorrent P2P application have decided to make the UDP protocol the default transport protocol for file transfers. BitTorrent implementations have long used UDP to exchange tracker information – the addresses of the computers where files could be found – but the new release uses it in preference to TCP for the actual transfer of files. The implications of this change are enormous. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
FCC chairman Kevin Martin gets a lot of free publicity for a goal that can't be met by an legitimate wireless business. As far as I'm concerned, it's nothing more than blatant political posturing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who gets what in return? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table? From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
100% political pandering. Let's continue work on getting Internet of any sort to all of America, first. That's not gonna happen for free. On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:20:44PM -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: If they pay me enough I'll do it despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups. Nothing like a big middle finger to the WISPs of the USA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
http://www.stellarinfo.com I use this program and have had great success. Brian 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry for the delay in my response... had my hard drive crash over the weekend (on a side note does anyone have any recommendations for hard drive data recovery, not everything was backed up!). Anyways something is off if that is the quote you just got. Either they are giving you the special pricing still (it was $7800 per link plus dishes etc. so that makes me think that's what your getting) or the person that told me the new pricing was off... Anyways hit me offlist with the quote and we can talk. For that matter, anyone that gives me a current quote from Trango I would be happy to talk to you about Dragonwave with... its amazing what I can do with a quote from another manufacturer... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Daniel, I just got a quote back from Trango for the following: 18ghz (311Mbps full-duplex) with split IDU/ODU 2ft dishes 48v rack mount power supplies Total price = $9,800 Care to share the pricing on a Dragonwave for the same? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: I guess that's a personal preference. I've installed way more Stratex/Ceragon/Dragonwave links using the voltmeter design and probably just prefer it that way. And yes 5 months ago there might have been a difference when the gear was on sale from Trango and before Dragonwave dropped its pricing. I just did this the other day with a customer. I was able to match Trango for the same throughput Daniel White 3-dB Networks _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Hi, Having used the "voltmeter" vs. LED method of aligning, I will take the LED any day. One less piece of equipment to have to deal with on the tower, and a much more accurate way to see the true RSSI on the link. And, I think we already did the "pricing" thing about 5 months ago, didn't we? Seems like the Dragonwave was about $3,000 more for less of a radio... ;) Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Tom, Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port in them? I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer I was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the Trango Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... but I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with your hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made reading the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I want. One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave... from what I understand I can come damn close :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I thought I'd share my recent experience OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And it just freakin Worked!
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
Not sure what planet you guys are living on. I guess it must be a near desert no-rain zone. In our D2 rain zone... For 99.999%, 256QAM, we count on... 23Ghz (1ft) up to 1 mile 18Ghz (3ft) up to 4 miles. (I might be a bit conservative or off on this number, but 99. is at 3.5miles) 11 Ghz (3ft) up to 11 miles. Its the rain fade that kills. If willing to take 99.9%, to accept brief Rain outages, and slower speed modulations, well then the distance grows longer fast. To give an example of the situation... On a clear day, +3db might get you double the distance. But if the rain fade is 30db for a given distance, well double that distance gets you a HUGE more amount of DB degregation due to Rain Fade. There is a HUGE difference between 99.9 and 99.999 in down time. 50 minutes a year does not sound like much, until it translates to 5 minutes per month. And you have to tell your High Arpu customer why all their Phones cut-off randomly in mid conversation once a month, every time it rains. But then you realize that 5 miuntes a month is JUST for the RF. You use up all your chances with just the RF Outages. There is still all the potential outages for maintenance, or power outages, or moving out of alignment, your Fiber Transit going down, router misconfigs, etc. Then there is always backup. Can you have a 5.8Ghz backup? Sure, but do you have a monthly price for the second antenna colocation? Better off spending a couple more dollars on the primary link to engineer it for TOP reliabilty, and 5 minutes of downtime per year, IF its an option. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range Brad how about my latest one? 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup link as well. ;) How far will a 11ghz licensed link go? Have a couple 300 foot towers 58 miles apart acording to topo plot both on excellent elevation. Yeah, 58 miles, I am dreaming I know. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hotspot page
I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik gateways. For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another solution. The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable page in which I can put a few images in. I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions! -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page
Check out sputnick. --Original Message-- From: Josh Luthman Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik gateways. For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another solution. The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable page in which I can put a few images in. I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions! -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page
We were with Sputnik for a while, but they fell short in many ways. We are now with SilverLining http://www.silverliningnetworks.com/ __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page Check out sputnick. --Original Message-- From: Josh Luthman Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik gateways. For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another solution. The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable page in which I can put a few images in. I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions! -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race
Mr. Imagestream, Mr. MAC, good place for a packet control add... It works! Even on udp! Packets is packets. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race Upset about Bell Canada's system for allocating bandwidth fairly among internet users, the developers of the uTorrent P2P application have decided to make the UDP protocol the default transport protocol for file transfers. BitTorrent implementations have long used UDP to exchange tracker information the addresses of the computers where files could be found but the new release uses it in preference to TCP for the actual transfer of files. The implications of this change are enormous. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page
If at all possible I would like to stick with Mikrotik - I'm looking for a replacement hotspot page and radius management frontend rather then equipment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Jerry Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We were with Sputnik for a while, but they fell short in many ways. We are now with SilverLining http://www.silverliningnetworks.com/ __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page Check out sputnick. --Original Message-- From: Josh Luthman Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik gateways. For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another solution. The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable page in which I can put a few images in. I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions! -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race
Chuck, Whatcha think of packet limiting? :) It works eh? Saves my hind end daily!! I have found that these MikroCore routers do a great job as well - - same philosophy - - different hardware. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race Mr. Imagestream, Mr. MAC, good place for a packet control add... It works! Even on udp! Packets is packets. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race Upset about Bell Canada's system for allocating bandwidth fairly among internet users, the developers of the uTorrent P2P application have decided to make the UDP protocol the default transport protocol for file transfers. BitTorrent implementations have long used UDP to exchange tracker information the addresses of the computers where files could be found but the new release uses it in preference to TCP for the actual transfer of files. The implications of this change are enormous. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richard_bennett_utorrent_udp/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1822 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 8:23 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page
You might want to try BlueDotWifi.com. I know the developers since they are local to me. I am sure if you have something specific you need added or some support that is needed they can provide it. - Matt Josh Luthman wrote: I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik gateways. For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another solution. The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable page in which I can put a few images in. I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Alerts
I'm wondering what other operators use to keep their NOC staff or themselves informed regarding current outside the network conditions that could affect their ISP operations. Conditions such as: -Severe weather -News alerts -Major Internet events (fiber cuts, peering disputes, etc.) I subscribe to national weather service alerts, read NANOG and am on the outages.org list. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Eugene Fiber
Did this ever happen? http://media.www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/news/2001/07/12/UndefinedSection/Eweb-Will.Forge.Ahead.With.FiberOptic.Metronet-1974474.shtml Is this of value? http://www.pcinw.com/news/company_news.html John Mark Nash wrote: I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone know of a good site or have contacts for people who could quote in my area? We're looking for 30-40 megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable rate, we'd go for it. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox... the bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks. Not quite as open as Youtube's Yes, we will peer with you., but they have an open peering policy that'll happen when you're generating 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions
Re: [WISPA] Alerts
We refer to MESO West for weather status. Happes there is a monitor station on the same mountain we are on. http://www.met.utah.edu/jhorel/html/mesonet/ __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alerts I'm wondering what other operators use to keep their NOC staff or themselves informed regarding current outside the network conditions that could affect their ISP operations. Conditions such as: -Severe weather -News alerts -Major Internet events (fiber cuts, peering disputes, etc.) I subscribe to national weather service alerts, read NANOG and am on the outages.org list. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alerts
In addition to following the NANOG and outages.org lists on our Blackberries we have a computer in the office with three monitors on it showing our Nagios network status map, the Weather Underground animated radar map for our area, and Keynote's Internet Health Report ( http://www.internetpulse.net/ ). The only time a monitor with TV news would have been handy was when a tire recycling plant caught fire and something in the plume of smoke degraded a few of our backhaul paths. I wish our local electric companies had a status web site for power outages, but we approximate it by looking for large numbers of subscriber radios dropping offline at once. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering what other operators use to keep their NOC staff or themselves informed regarding current outside the network conditions that could affect their ISP operations. Conditions such as: -Severe weather -News alerts -Major Internet events (fiber cuts, peering disputes, etc.) I subscribe to national weather service alerts, read NANOG and am on the outages.org list. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page
Have you looked at Mikrotik? User Manager can be set up to handle the Authentication, and can generate user accounts. ( It will even print cards with generated user/pass) We have seen success with User Manager handling PPPOE and Hotspot client requests (Up to the licens limit for number of users.) It is a mini Radius server and works well on a decent Router. Contact me offline for more details. Thanks Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik gateways. For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another solution. The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable page in which I can put a few images in. I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions! -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.12/1823 - Release Date: 12/1/2008 7:59 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
