Re: [WISPA] Hard time getting Imagestream support auto attendant?needhelp
The phone system is back up and running. I also left 3 cell numbers on your voicemail. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hard time getting Imagestream support auto attendant?needhelp No worries jeff. We're out at the tower now. Replaced a router and some nic cards. And just trying to narrow it down. I t may be a faulty power supply Do u have a number I can call if Marlon's ICNA training isn't enough?(wink) is somebody on duty? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, All I have is your main number below. I left 3 cell numbers on your voicemail. Please call as soon as you get the message so we can work through this. Sorry for the phone problem...it's worked without a hitch for over 5 years. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:28 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List; wisp Subject: [WISPA] Hard time getting Imagestream support auto attendant? needhelp We're having trouble getting Imagestream auto attendant, anybody know another number? We're needing help tonight. Thanks -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tricky infrastructure question
Josh Luthman wrote: I am certain you can use MT on each side to do a fdx link. Not sure what else is easy and a good price. MT? What does it stand for? Fdx? I guess you mean Full-Duplex? Thanks, Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tricky infrastructure question
Ugo Bellavance wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: I am certain you can use MT on each side to do a fdx link. Not sure what else is easy and a good price. MT? What does it stand for? www.mikrotik.com www.routerboard.com Fdx? I guess you mean Full-Duplex? Thanks, Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Public ROW
No, not self insured, but very high deductibles. I'm on the road right now, not sure of the name of the insurance company. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public ROW Chuck, I assume you are self insured... but if not, who do you use? ryan On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Insurance and bonds are not really all that expensive. Your insurance company will help you out. We have to have metered service now. That is no different. Engineering review is not something the local govt charges for here. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public ROW In NY you need to be pretty rich to get pole attachment rights. Last I heard you needed to post a bond as well as have liability for $25 million, name the utilities and govt as additional insureds, pay for a construction audit, undergo engineering review and acceptance, and once you have approval you need to have your equipment installed by an authorized contractor as well as have METERED electric service at each location requiring power. A little too steep for my pockets. Besides, by the time everything is approved, wireless would be antiquated. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:32:35 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Public ROW The original thread is closed. Please use this new thread. Remember that thoe public right of ways are just that... Public. Anyone can ask for and receive a right of way franchise or use permit. I have several county wide franchises that allow me (within reason and permitting) to place equipment in the ROW. The franchise is titled specifically 'non-exclusive'. I also have a pole agreement that allows for pole attachments on electric company poles. The fcc prohibits the power company from limiting what you place on their poles except in the interests of safety. (we really like safe and healthy linemen!) ryan -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:26 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article As I weeded through the gibberish I did recognize one good point that he made. We need the ability to use public rights of way and to not have our trade restrained by local authorities who seek to ban our equipment deployments It would be nice to have the same rights to right-of-ways that incumbent utility's have. We will always be at a disadvantage without it. Wireless on its own, does not get us every where that we need to get. There still has to be somewhere to put the radios. And as long as Real Estate Owners control that, we are not free to compete and grow. Although granting Whitespace to Unlicensed, will be a HUGE step in the right direction, to get past many of these easement barriers to entries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
There are companies that make it their business to sell market data. If it was not accurate they would not still be in business. Heck, I can probably sample 80% of all WISPs in the US in one week with two people and two phones. WISPS are not hesitant to talk about their technology and you can look at websites and guess at coverage maps and sizes. Moreover, I get calls on a regular basis my market research firms wanting to know details. I share. They give an NDA, I give data. You can go by FCC data too (assuming everyone is reporting like they are supposed to do). I have a large rolodex for AF that would be a good basis for a sample if I decided to do one. I think I can independently verify the market data if there was some reason for me to do so. But when Mot makes semi-public pronouncements of having over 50% of the market in this sarbanes-oxley environment, you can laugh all you want but to dismiss is folly. BTW, Canopy is large enough to actually move the stock price of Mot. Canopy revenue is supporting many of the folks in the handset division. You can wish they will sell or scrap all you want, but I doubt you will get your wish this xmas. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Sorry but this comment makes me laugh that you can throw out a number like this when the wise people that do statistics can't even come to a true conclusion how many wisps and other unlicensed operators there are out there. To state these numbers as well with as many privately owned manufacturers and distributors there are out there selling unlicensed equipment I personally wouldn't dare throw out numbers like that so casually like it was THE truth. Sure Canopy got a great product and have a big market space. But in the big scope on the Moto radar Canopy is a very small market and Moto got their status downgraded to junk by SP this week. If they really start hurting I do not doubt seeing them hesitate for 2second to scrap or sell their Canopy line. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:25:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Digis was 100% Canopy. I think they had about 15,000 at the time of the purchase. We have 5000+ all Canopy. Mot has more than 50% of the US market. So the other 50% is made up of Trango, Tranzeo, MT etc etc etc. - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds That's probably slightly aggressive Chuck... but at the scale they are at your not that far off... Its even a more interesting picture if you look at the WISP's they bought... Three more large WISP's by my definition, all Canopy shops... are part of them. Mesa, Digis, and LP Broadband. All Canopy shops (granted Mesa had some legacy Tranzeo in there, LP had a lot of Matt Larsen's last WISP's Tranzeo gear still running, I don't know anything really about Digis's part of the network). Heck Chuck... your above 5,000 wireless subs aren't you? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds JAB? They probably have 50,000 subs by now. Canopy shop. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider market. What about Tower Stream? Last I knew they were one of the largest Urban WISPs. They use Aperto. What about AirBand, they had some serious numbers at some time, one two occasions, I was aware of them buying Proxim at one point, then a lot of Alvarion later on. What about Prairie-I.net, one of the larger, I know they used alot of Trango at one point. What about Travis, one of the larger, He's bigtime Trango user. What about Matt Larson (now w/GAB), he had gotten pretty darn big, he was mostly Tranzeo and StarOS. What about Covad/Nextweb, to the beest of my knowledge they were NOT primarilly a Canopy shop. Sure, Canopy is emergencing as a company that is continueing to evolve in compatibility with WISP models to enable expansion to 20mbps and beyond. But to say Canopy owned the large player market is ludicris. You could argue Canopy was a preferred choice for many Muni
Re: [WISPA] Public ROW
Maybe travelers. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public ROW No, not self insured, but very high deductibles. I'm on the road right now, not sure of the name of the insurance company. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public ROW Chuck, I assume you are self insured... but if not, who do you use? ryan On Dec 5, 2008, at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Insurance and bonds are not really all that expensive. Your insurance company will help you out. We have to have metered service now. That is no different. Engineering review is not something the local govt charges for here. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public ROW In NY you need to be pretty rich to get pole attachment rights. Last I heard you needed to post a bond as well as have liability for $25 million, name the utilities and govt as additional insureds, pay for a construction audit, undergo engineering review and acceptance, and once you have approval you need to have your equipment installed by an authorized contractor as well as have METERED electric service at each location requiring power. A little too steep for my pockets. Besides, by the time everything is approved, wireless would be antiquated. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:32:35 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Public ROW The original thread is closed. Please use this new thread. Remember that thoe public right of ways are just that... Public. Anyone can ask for and receive a right of way franchise or use permit. I have several county wide franchises that allow me (within reason and permitting) to place equipment in the ROW. The franchise is titled specifically 'non-exclusive'. I also have a pole agreement that allows for pole attachments on electric company poles. The fcc prohibits the power company from limiting what you place on their poles except in the interests of safety. (we really like safe and healthy linemen!) ryan -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:26 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article As I weeded through the gibberish I did recognize one good point that he made. We need the ability to use public rights of way and to not have our trade restrained by local authorities who seek to ban our equipment deployments It would be nice to have the same rights to right-of-ways that incumbent utility's have. We will always be at a disadvantage without it. Wireless on its own, does not get us every where that we need to get. There still has to be somewhere to put the radios. And as long as Real Estate Owners control that, we are not free to compete and grow. Although granting Whitespace to Unlicensed, will be a HUGE step in the right direction, to get past many of these easement barriers to entries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] survey monkey
I put up a survey of type of technology used and number of subs at survey monkey. I didn't pay for the premium version so you cannot immediately see results. I will post results periodically over the next day or two. If anyone doubts the veracity of what I post, I will give you the username and password to my survey monkey account after a day or two of collecting data. Hopefully folks will be honest if they choose to participate. Hopefully this will illuminate the answer a bit. This is totally anonomyous. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=3CNTqbd_2fbD514WncbPQuWA_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] survey monkey
I screwed up. Results are coming in but no way can I tie the technology to the sub count. Anyone know survey monkey well enough so that the result is how many subs on each type of technology? What I did will not be very meaningful. Sorry. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] survey monkey I put up a survey of type of technology used and number of subs at survey monkey. I didn't pay for the premium version so you cannot immediately see results. I will post results periodically over the next day or two. If anyone doubts the veracity of what I post, I will give you the username and password to my survey monkey account after a day or two of collecting data. Hopefully folks will be honest if they choose to participate. Hopefully this will illuminate the answer a bit. This is totally anonomyous. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=3CNTqbd_2fbD514WncbPQuWA_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Fw: survey monkey
I think I fixed it. If you have already taken the survey please return and fill out the extra box of subs per technology. You can return as many times as you wish per IP. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Fw: survey monkey I screwed up. Results are coming in but no way can I tie the technology to the sub count. Anyone know survey monkey well enough so that the result is how many subs on each type of technology? What I did will not be very meaningful. Sorry. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] survey monkey I put up a survey of type of technology used and number of subs at survey monkey. I didn't pay for the premium version so you cannot immediately see results. I will post results periodically over the next day or two. If anyone doubts the veracity of what I post, I will give you the username and password to my survey monkey account after a day or two of collecting data. Hopefully folks will be honest if they choose to participate. Hopefully this will illuminate the answer a bit. This is totally anonomyous. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=3CNTqbd_2fbD514WncbPQuWA_3d_3d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] Initial results
Redline 0. Alvarion 0. Ubiquity 0. Canopy 6250 Other 25 Trango 135 Tranzeo 0. MicroTik 5 Number of subscribers 8735 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tricky infrastructure question
Don't know what kind of wifi, but maybe put in a MT ad get more BW between buildings would be simpler. Another thing, you can run bonded connections, and balancing them across several wireless connections. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Ugo Bellavance wrote: BTW the antennas are SkyPilots. Thanks, Ugo Ugo Bellavance wrote: Hi everyone We are using a pfsense firewall to protect some kind of WiFi campus. Here is the current setup: Building 1 [PfSense - Netgear switch - WiFi Antenna (1)] - RF - Building 2 [WiFi Antenna - Netgear switch - Client computers]. We have a few buildings that are all connected to the central antenna in Building 1. We are currently using vlans because we have VoIP services going through this and different kind of users. Everything is working OK as of now. However, the max bandwidth of one WiFi link like that is about 10 mbps. To increase the total bandwidth, we want to add another antenna in Building 1. We though of 2 ways to achieve what we want... Trunking (EtherChannel) of another vlan. We also tought of just trying to just connect the extra antenna and see how it goes, but we were worried of forming a loop. We found out that there are pros and cons to each approach: Trunking (EtherChannel): Pros: - Probably the best fit for that purpose - No other change to the architecture - Intelligent load balancing between the two WiFi links Cons: - We are not sure if the switch will be able to manage that correctly, since it goes through the air. - Must cause downtime for all end-users Extra Vlan Pros: - We can prepare our setup in parallel, minimizing downtime, 0 downtime even possible Cons: - Many changes to the current setup - Duplication of config - Since our DHCP server is not on PFsense, we would have to put it on PFsense or on the other vlan. Anyone has been in a similar situation? All input would be appreciated. Regards, Ugo WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Article
I'll be proposing this at the town hall meeting in Los Angeles today. See http://www.internetforeveryone.org/ If anyone in SoCal is attending feel free to call my cell at (818)280-7059. I should be there around noon. Tom DeReggi wrote: As I weeded through the gibberish I did recognize one good point that he made. We need the ability to use public rights of way and to not have our trade restrained by local authorities who seek to ban our equipment deployments It would be nice to have the same rights to right-of-ways that incumbent utility's have. We will always be at a disadvantage without it. Wireless on its own, does not get us every where that we need to get. There still has to be somewhere to put the radios. And as long as Real Estate Owners control that, we are not free to compete and grow. Although granting Whitespace to Unlicensed, will be a HUGE step in the right direction, to get past many of these easement barriers to entries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article AnimalFarm converts Sheep to Pigs! - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article I'm not saying we should do what Mark says, I'm not even saying Mark is right (nor am I saying the opposites), but it's a good thing we have differing views. Whether we're sheep for DC or sheep against DC, sheep for Mt. Dew or sheep against Mt. Dew, sheep are the worst thing to be. Differing products, thoughts, opinions helps to breed a new generation of better products, thoughts, opinions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article LOL Yeah. It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the rules while living within the ones that exist. marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog? Sheesh... -B- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA financially. When the attitude that consolidation and shaking out the smaller players is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may not be official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the past. Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and mom and pop are the backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in the whole country. Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that costs them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that somehow playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... All that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators change and all the goodwill supposedly bought evaportes, with the precedents and whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get shorn. Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can I put my name on what they do or give them money. Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to revision and extension. This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still talking about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and loans available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm twisting contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that much money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the rolodexes. We cannot win that fight with those rules. We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse industry that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively
[WISPA] 13 responses
I am cooling my heels in downtown Chicago and for some reason my wife does not want to sit in this hotel room while I watch survey results all day long. So, gotta go do the husband-on-a-one-day-vacation thing. Will post fresh results when I get back. attachment: untitled.JPG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
I thought I heard a few years ago that the Canopy division was actually losing money? I would think that would be one of the first divisions to get sold off if it's not as profitable as the others. Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Eje, I know you don't work closely with Motorola... but I interact with an employee over there at least once a week... often times more. The handset division is killing Motorola, this is public knowledge. Until the split occurs and they sell off the division (which they have also made that intention public) I don't see Motorola as a whole looking good as a company. Motorola though obviously realizes the revenue that the Wi4 portfolio is generating (i.e. wireless broadband gear) and has increased spending on the product line. They have done some semi-big changes in the channel to increase sales... its obvious they are committed to the product... even though the total revenue might be a decimal point on the big Motorola balance sheet... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Sorry but this comment makes me laugh that you can throw out a number like this when the "wise" people that do statistics can't even come to a true conclusion how many wisps and other unlicensed operators there are out there. To state these numbers as well with as many privately owned manufacturers and distributors there are out there selling unlicensed equipment I personally wouldn't dare throw out numbers like that so casually like it was THE truth. Sure Canopy got a great product and have a big market space. But in the big scope on the Moto radar Canopy is a very small market and Moto got their status downgraded to junk by SP this week. If they really start hurting I do not doubt seeing them hesitate for 2second to scrap or sell their Canopy line. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Chuck McCown - 3" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:25:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Digis was 100% Canopy. I think they had about 15,000 at the time of the purchase. We have 5000+ all Canopy. Mot has more than 50% of the US market. So the other 50% is made up of Trango, Tranzeo, MT etc etc etc. - Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds That's probably slightly aggressive Chuck... but at the scale they are at your not that far off... Its even a more interesting picture if you look at the WISP's they bought... Three more large WISP's by my definition, all Canopy shops... are part of them. Mesa, Digis, and LP Broadband. All Canopy shops (granted Mesa had some legacy Tranzeo in there, LP had a lot of Matt Larsen's last WISP's Tranzeo gear still running, I don't know anything really about Digis's part of the network). Heck Chuck... your above 5,000 wireless subs aren't you? Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds JAB? They probably have 50,000 subs by now. Canopy shop. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider market. What about Tower Stream? Last I knew they were one of the largest Urban WISPs. They use Aperto. What about AirBand, they had some serious numbers at some time, one two occasions, I was aware of them buying Proxim at one point, then a lot of Alvarion later on. What about Prairie-I.net, one of the larger, I know they used alot of Trango at one point. What about Travis, one of the larger, He's bigtime Trango user. What about Matt Larson (now w/GAB), he had gotten pretty darn big, he was mostly Tranzeo and StarOS. What about Covad/Nextweb, to the beest of my knowledge they were NOT primarilly a Canopy shop. Sure, Canopy is emergencing as a company that is continueing to evolve in
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Fw: survey monkey
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I screwed up. Results are coming in but no way can I tie the technology to the sub count. Anyone know survey monkey well enough so that the result is how many subs on each type of technology? What I did will not be very meaningful. Sorry. I'm not familiar with Survey Monkey specifically, but most survey software lets you add conditional questions. Just set up a question like what gear do you use. Tnen put up one conditional question per answer. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 13 responses
Welcome to the snowy city! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:42 AM To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] 13 responses I am cooling my heels in downtown Chicago and for some reason my wife does not want to sit in this hotel room while I watch survey results all day long. So, gotta go do the husband-on-a-one-day-vacation thing. Will post fresh results when I get back. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
I know of quite a few non Canopy networks. Among my consulting clients, neighbors and other associates, I know of Rapid Communications - 2000+ StarOS/Tranzeo R-Com - 4000+ StarOS/Tranzeo/Trango/Deliberant Action Communications - 4000+ Cisco (they have a little bit of Canopy) OIBW - 2500+ StarOS MVN - 2000+ StarOS There are a lot of other providers out there with similarly large networks on Mikrotik or StarOS.In more rural areas, these systems will far outperform Canopy in price/performance and coverage area - mostly due to antenna and polarity flexibility. I've been building in some more population dense areas with StarOS and 10mhz channels in 2.4 and 5ghz, with NS5 radios as CPE and that has gone extremely well so far. Having an $89 CPE that will go up to 16meg with 5/10/20mhz channels, software controllable polarity and an external antenna connector is pretty impressive as far as I'm concerned. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com 3-dB Networks wrote: Comments inline... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider market. What about Tower Stream? Last I knew they were one of the largest Urban WISPs. They use Aperto. What about AirBand, they had some serious numbers at some time, one two occasions, I was aware of them buying Proxim at one point, then a lot of Alvarion later on. What about Prairie-I.net, one of the larger, I know they used alot of Trango at one point. What about Travis, one of the larger, He's bigtime Trango user. What about Matt Larson (now w/GAB), he had gotten pretty darn big, he was mostly Tranzeo and StarOS. What about Covad/Nextweb, to the beest of my knowledge they were NOT primarilly a Canopy shop. With the exception of Matt Larsens operation (although I knew his last one much better :-), I really have no extensive knowledge of any of these networks, so I really can't argue about them. What I can point out though, is I can think of that many Canopy WISP's that are that large. So while Canopy might not dominate the market, it very well could (underline underline italics) have the largest market share. Obviously I have no data to back that up, its my personal observation from my perch out here in Colorado... Sure, Canopy is emergencing as a company that is continueing to evolve in compatibility with WISP models to enable expansion to 20mbps and beyond. But to say Canopy owned the large player market is ludicris. I don't think I meant to come off as they owned the market, but they are a big player. I don't even know what would happen if we added in the international market... You could argue Canopy was a preferred choice for many Muni plays, most all of which went bankrupt or shut down their networks, creating one of the largest availability stockpiles of second hand used product for WISPs to now buy at discount, compared to any other brand. I find it interesting that Alvarion and Trango still hold their value higher on Ebay. Can't argue with that. Earthlink really screwed up that part of the market... although I would say the gear is still at a reasonable price all things considered. I'll also argue that what is considered preferred choice gear is a leap frog game. Ironically, I personally have been using some Canopy recently, because of a unique value proposition it offers for specific application on this given day. However, there are many new players, which very well may bring the next best product line to the market. A perfect example are new products like Redline, Aperto, Alvarion dominating the new 3650 markets. No argument here from me. We actually resell Aperto 3.65 because we see how strong of a play they have there where Motorola has no presence. But AKAIK there has been no 5,000 sub 3.65 deployments (heck I would doubt there has even been any 1,000 sub deployments yet) so its hard to say where the band will end up. Motorola will have a strong position in the TVWS spectrum (which I personally believe could redefine the WISP industry), and Motorola does dominate the 2.5GHz WiMax band (at least from the last report on I saw on Broadband reports). And the comment are swapping out their Trango gear anyways., that's a croc. If they are swapping them out, they are fools. Eight years later, my Trangos are as strong as the day they were installed. That wasn't my argument. The WISP in question is now owned by JAB, who has standardized on Canopy. They also deployed a lot of 5.2GHz, which is now as far as I know no longer
[WISPA] outdoor fiber
Hi, Anyone have a source for outdoor, UV rated, pre-made fiber cables? I need a 20 meter cable for an outdoor run. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outdoor fiber
Anixter has always done a good job for us. http://www.anixter.com Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] outdoor fiber Hi, Anyone have a source for outdoor, UV rated, pre-made fiber cables? I need a 20 meter cable for an outdoor run. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outdoor fiber
Travis, I've had good luck with fiber.com. At one point they were even considering becoming a WISPA vendor, but it never happened. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] outdoor fiber Hi, Anyone have a source for outdoor, UV rated, pre-made fiber cables? I need a 20 meter cable for an outdoor run. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] outdoor fiber
Travis, I have always had good luck with fiber.com. At one point, I thought they were going to join WISPA as a vendor member. Thanks, Rick Harnish General Manager - Midwest Region Great American Broadband Hi, Anyone have a source for outdoor, UV rated, pre-made fiber cables? I need a 20 meter cable for an outdoor run. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik parts for sale
Due to some advise, I've figured out a way to ship internationally. I will now ship via USPS internationally. I'll have to quote that shipping after the completion of the auction, since I'm not going to individually quote a whole bunch of people. I'll charge $5 over what usps.com tells me it costs to ship it to you. I will only use USPS internationally, UPS only within the 48 states. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik parts for sale http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZjohanQ2dhammy - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] US Broadband Internet Satellite Scheduled for Launch in 2011 (PC World) by PC World: Yahoo! Tech
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20081206/tc_pcworld/usbroadbandinternetsatellitescheduledforlaunchin2011 The satellite will an overall throughput of 100G bps (bits per second) and that should enable it to support 2M bps service to about 2 million subscribers when operational. It is expected to be the highest capacity satellite in the world at time of launch, and that should mean the price of transmitting each bit of data is about a tenth that of current services. In turn this should enable broadband Internet services at much lower prices than now, according to the company. While ViaSat will own the satellite it intends on relying on other companies to offer the Internet service. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 86% Canopy
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[WISPA] 60% Canopy
That grand total of survey monkey is wrong. If you add all the subs you get 34832 total with 20755 of those Canopy. So 60% Canopy. Still north of the 50% that Mot will tell you. If JAB got on here that percentage would go way up. But as it is, I think this is a fairly good sampling. attachment: untitled.JPG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: But as it is, I think this is a fairly good sampling. Looks like 35 responses...not sure I'd call that a fairly good sampling. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
I like the survey idea to pole for other questions. Has anyone done this before? -RickG On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A statistically significant sample is defined as a population over 30. For an off the cuff sample it isn't bad at all. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: But as it is, I think this is a fairly good sampling. Looks like 35 responses...not sure I'd call that a fairly good sampling. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering* * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member* * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it you are somewhat stuck. The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. Many things are like this. A spouse, a religion, a branch of the armed forces, a class 5 end office switch, a house, an investment, a college, a president. Canopy V Trango V Tranzeo V MT etc etc. It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists that once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they must then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the bandwagon effect. To actually be rational and objective in the face of a major mistake requires one to overcome congnitive dissonance and that is just not natural human behavior. I know guys that are much quicker to get a divorce than to admit they bought the wrong CO switch. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
Anyone can make a surveymonkey survey for free. Just go to the site and create one. I have participated in several before but this is the first one I made. I would have done it a little different if I knew how to use the options better. Go give it a try. Data gathering is interesting and I think it is good for all of us. - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy I like the survey idea to pole for other questions. Has anyone done this before? -RickG On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A statistically significant sample is defined as a population over 30. For an off the cuff sample it isn't bad at all. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] 60% Canopy On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: But as it is, I think this is a fairly good sampling. Looks like 35 responses...not sure I'd call that a fairly good sampling. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering* * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member* * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] duplicates
I don't know why we are getting duplicates. Sorry. Hope it doesn't continue. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Perhaps if we get a few more MT might edge above 14%... Perhaps, but don't assume I have a dog in this fight. I'm not tied to MT in any way. ;-) I have customers using Trango, Canopy, Alvarion, MT, StarOS and more. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Irrespective of what type of infrastructure you pick, once you pick it you are somewhat stuck. The farther down that road you go, the more you are stuck. This is not necessarily true. Perhaps it could be argued that you would be stuck for a given location, but not particularly overall. When I was running a WISP, I used MANY types of devices (including a Canopy 20 meg BH). Some I was happy with and others not so much. The ones I wasn't happy with (one example is WaveRider), didn't get much in the way of deployment. I found other workarounds for the looked for, but not found, benefits of the WR system. It is a well documented phenomena by economists and consumer scientists that once a person makes a choice that is hard or impossible to reverse they must then become an evangelist for that choice. Even if it becomes a wrong choice due to no fault of their own, they will continue to to exhibit the bandwagon effect. I'm not sure the reason for your post, but it sounds like you're looking for a fight with someone. Perhaps it's just the email format that makes it seem so... -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] 60% Canopy
I must have missed the post telling what the survey is and how to be part of it. I will answer the questions if someone sends me that info. Thanks, Scriv On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Perhaps if we get a few more MT might edge above 14%... Perhaps, but don't assume I have a dog in this fight. I'm not tied to MT in any way. ;-) I have customers using Trango, Canopy, Alvarion, MT, StarOS and more. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
