Re: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources?
ahhh i see i didnt think of parsing it out manualy w/ a file read, thats a good idea. thanks for the info Scott (: Atrix - Original Message - From: Scott Cadillac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? Hi Atrix, Yes, it's possible, and there is more than one way to do it - but your text files do need to have some structure to begin with. Start by investigating the File/Read Action and the @ARRAY Metatag and the CDELIM and RDELIM attributes. Characters like a tab, or a comma , and a end-of-line sequence like crlf (carriage-return, line-feed) are typically what define your structure. Of course, you can also use custom characters you define use the CDELIM RDELIM attributes too. The first big pit-fall is making sure the number of CDELIM (column-delimiter) charaters is the same for every row in your file - else you can't make a 2-deminsional Array in Witango. Another pit-fall is when a text field in a row contains one of your delimiter characters and throughs everything out of whack, so choose characters that are the least likely to showup on your content (a non-regular ASCII character can be specified with @ASCII). Also, I think some Text ODBC Drivers may compensate for irregularities in some files, but can slow things down for you. Another option is to write all your log files in XML format, then life gets more interesting with Witango DOM Variables :-) Hope this helps. Cheers.. Scott Cadillac, Witango.org - http://witango.org 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Information for the Witango Developer Community - XML-Extranet - http://xml-extra.net 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Well-formed Development (for hire) - -Original Message- From: Atrix Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? hello, I faintly remember hearing somewhere you can take a text file and make it a datasource somehow and interact with it? Im looking to do this with witango log files so that we dont have to go through it manualy looking for errors, or other information. It seems strange that something would be able to look at a txt file and find a structure to it and break the data into columns and such but who knows! Am i nuts or is this possible? Thanks!! Atrix TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Config.taf
Got it thanks -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com From: Dan Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:15 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Well if anyone has it I would appreciate it emailed off list to me. Thanks Dan -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com From: Ben Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Intelisoft, Inc. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:46:06 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Config.taf That's a good question. I thought it was up on the witango.com site :-P Well, it might be just not readily enumerated. Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Is there a version of config.taf for Witango Server 5 -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf
There is a taf available for R Base that lets you do a really complete job of remote access and admin to your R Base DB. I would really love to see someone do that for SQL 2000 MySQL I am sure that the community would be glad to pay for something like this. I know I would. Any takers? -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Mail
This is true. I have a class C and I have multiple PTR records for domains and www domains and mail, ftp or whatever... I set up like this with no problems.. zone record mydomain.comA 123.456.789.123 www.mydomain.comA 123.456.789.123 mydomain.comMX10 mail.mydomain.com mail.mydomain.comA 123.456.789.124 ftp.mydomain.comA 123.456.789.123 reverse zone file 123.789.456.123.in-addr.arpa PTR mydomain.com 123.789.456.123.in-addr.arpa PTR www.mydomain.com 123.789.456.123.in-addr.arpa PTR ftp.mydomain.com 124.789.456.123.in-addr.arpa PTR mail.mydomain.com But I was wrong about one thing: RFC 2181 10.2. PTR records Confusion about canonical names has lead to a belief that a PTR record should have exactly one RR in its RRSet. This is incorrect, the relevant section of RFC1034 (section 3.6.2) indicates that the value of a PTR record should be a canonical name. That is, it should not be an alias. There is no implication in that section that only one PTR record is permitted for a name. No such restriction should be inferred. So you can have multiple PTR records. However, see http://www.acmebw.com/askmrdns/archive.php?category=85question=631. Apparently most everyone also believes what I did, and has written their apps get back only one name matching a PTR. But it's interesting to see that AOL will accept mail if you have a PTR, even if it's wrong! Ahh, now I see what you mean. Sorry, I assumed that since I had no trouble getting mail thru to AOL, I passed the reverse lookup. Now the conversation makes more sense, thanks Mark Bushaw - Original Message - From: Bill Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Mail What do you mean by 'pass reverse DNS lookup'? My DNS query shows: bushaw.org. 43200 A 64.60.193.244 moveitout.com. 43200 A 64.60.193.244 244.193.60.64.in-addr.arpa. 86400 PTR 64-60-193-244.cust.telepacific.net. Clearly the PTR doesn't match the A records. These domains are all on the same computer, using the same mailserver and they all pass reverse DNS lookup- Bushaw.org Saxpics.com SimProUSA.com CoastalMicroSupply.com MoveItOut.com Mark Bushaw - Original Message - From: Bill Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Mail Ok, here's a typical setup (ignoring NS records) that people use for hosting domains Your main zone is mydomain.comA 123.456.789.123 www.mydomain.comCNAME mydomain.com mydomain.comMX10 mydomain.com Lets assume you have a full Class C, since it's simpler than classless delegation (when you have 8/16/32/64/128 IP addresses) Then your reverse zone includes: 123.789.456.123.in-addr.arpa PTR mydomain.com So you're typically sending mail with your address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) via your SMTP server at mydomain.com which passes the reverse lookup test. Your client at herdomain.com is using virtual hosts on yours server and is set up as: herdomain.comA 123.456.789.123 www.herdomain.comCNAME herdomain.com herdomain.comMX10 herdomain.com There can't be a single pointer to two A records, so when [EMAIL PROTECTED] sends mail, the reverse lookup points to mydomain.com! This causes the mail to bounce if the reverse lookup test is used. Very Interesting! I have multiple domains and a single mail server. The mail server has its own domain (smtpmirage.net). All the hosted domains A records point directly to the IP address. The MX record points to mail@domain.com (and mail@domain.com is an A record that points to the IP address). Seems to work OK.. Mark Bushaw - Original Message - From: Ben Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Interesting Didn't realize that because I have multiple domains on mine. Anyway, it's just a rant. I had a server crash on me earlier this year when it got hijaced by a spammer, and I've spent a lot of hours this year fighting off spam. But I still think it's better to allow mail from senders that don't pass the reverse lookup, and instead rely on black hole lists at the server, and some simple filters on the mail readers. Because I don't want to have to tell my clients that we can't receive mail from them. Considering turning it off. Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Bill
RE: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources?
Atrix, I've done this with Tango 4, but not yet with Witango 5. I buildtango log analysis into my tango debugging toolset. There's a few hurdles to overcome. First you have to copy the .log file to a .txt file before analyzing it for 2 reasons, the MS Text ODBC driver looks for files with the .txt extension, and the .log file is locked by the witango server. Also, don't you run R:Tango? It will only talk to an RBase database, not a Text datasource. You'll need to run Witango5 instead of R:Tango5. Copy witango.log to witangolog.txt (or some other name) Create a datasource using the MS Text ODBC driver that points to the log directory Create a schema.ini file in the log directory. The one I use with T4 is shown below, it will be a little different with W5. Before you do any current analysis, take a fresh copy of witango.log into witangolog.txt A more robust solution would be to periodically copy the data from witangolog.txt and insert it into an database. Database engines have better better searching capabilities than the text driver. But even with the text driver you can do stuff like: select distinct userref from tangolog.txt where logtime [currentTime-variableTimeout] - this will give you all the userreferences of currently active users which you can use to check their user scope variables (that's one of the functions I use occasionally in debugging an app) The schema.ini file for a tango 4 log format looks like this: [tangolog.txt]ColNameHeader=FalseFormat=TabDelimitedMaxScanRows=25CharacterSet=OEMCol1=LOGDATE Char Width 10Col2=LOGTIME Char Width 10Col3=CLIENTIP Char Width 25Col4=USERREF Char Width 32Col5=THREADID IntegerCol6=THREADS IntegerCol7=ELAPSED IntegerCol8=THREADINFO Char Width 255Col9=THREADDATA Char Width 255Col10=POSITION Char Width 255Col11=APPFILE Char Width 255Col12=SERVER Char Width 255Col13=ARGUMENTS LongChar Dave Shelley -Original Message-From: Atrix Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:15 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? hello, Ifaintly remember hearing somewhere you can take a text file and make it a datasource somehow and interact with it? Im looking to do this with witango log files so that we dont have to go through it manualy looking for errors, or other information. It seems strange that something would be able to look at a txt file and find a structure to it and break the data into columns and such but who knows! Am i nuts or is this possible? Thanks!! Atrix TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf
Dan, If you're referring to the R:Dba tool I wrote, which was on last years conference CD, you'll be pleased to know that I've updated it to work with mySQL, added a number of features, like tango log analysis, and also fixed a few bugs. I haven't had time to build the functionality for SQL 2000, but if someone was willing to pay me to do it... :) This tool set is still free. I only ask that if you like the tool, and need any consulting services, that consider my company as a potential supplier. Dave Shelley -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf There is a taf available for R Base that lets you do a really complete job of remote access and admin to your R Base DB. I would really love to see someone do that for SQL 2000 MySQL I am sure that the community would be glad to pay for something like this. I know I would. Any takers? -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Witango-Talk: including snippets of code Back on Topic
Including a taf withing a taf is a totaly different beast. It represents a total misunderstanding of what the @include tag does and has nothing to do with the original question. Of course @including a taf withing a taf won't work. That's what branching is for. It's a moot point anyway, because the original problem that Roland had was simply because he had a typo in his included file. I just wanted to make sure that everybody understanded that there was nothing wronge with nested includes. /John Ben Johansen wrote: I went back into the archives Look at thread @INCLUDE problem Including a taf within a taf. I had an example but cant find it at this moment Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: John McGowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code Ben, I tried to send this post to you off the list, but your mail server doesn't seem to be accepting any thing from my mail server. Anyway, see my comments below about nested @includes. Ben Johansen wrote: Off List, Now, I remember (coffee finally kicked in) The reason your sub-include of the TML works is because TML is one of the extensions setup in the web server to tell the web server that Witango is responsible to process this file. No, the @include tag doesn't interact at all with the web server. It also doesn't care about file extensions. When the app server comes across an @include, it doesn't care what file extension it is... it simply includes the file and evaluates any meta code it comes across. In the case where an included HTML file calling a SUB-HTML file this is not the case. The SUB would not have its metatags processed Yes they are... See the enclosed example... I just tested this out. test.taf does an @include of test1.html test1.html does an @include of test2.html test2.html does an @include of test3.html test3.html executes @currentdate. /John TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf
Dave, I would be interested in a copy of this tool. Thanks, At 9:59 AM -0400 6/20/03, David Shelley wrote: Dan, If you're referring to the R:Dba tool I wrote, which was on last years conference CD, you'll be pleased to know that I've updated it to work with mySQL, added a number of features, like tango log analysis, and also fixed a few bugs. I haven't had time to build the functionality for SQL 2000, but if someone was willing to pay me to do it... :) This tool set is still free. I only ask that if you like the tool, and need any consulting services, that consider my company as a potential supplier. Dave Shelley -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf There is a taf available for R Base that lets you do a really complete job of remote access and admin to your R Base DB. I would really love to see someone do that for SQL 2000 MySQL I am sure that the community would be glad to pay for something like this. I know I would. Any takers? -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf -- Lawrence Reeve [EMAIL PROTECTED] 650 604 4529 TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf
I use this tool all the time. I run it in a seperate browser instance, but I can watch the variables and turn debugging on and off in the other Tango browser. You can manage files, issue direct dbms commands, issue Tango command, and run batch files. I have a batch file that will re-start that Tango service. Troy Sosamon -Original Message- From: David Shelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf Dan, If you're referring to the R:Dba tool I wrote, which was on last years conference CD, you'll be pleased to know that I've updated it to work with mySQL, added a number of features, like tango log analysis, and also fixed a few bugs. I haven't had time to build the functionality for SQL 2000, but if someone was willing to pay me to do it... :) This tool set is still free. I only ask that if you like the tool, and need any consulting services, that consider my company as a potential supplier. Dave Shelley -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Call for DB Manager Taf There is a taf available for R Base that lets you do a really complete job of remote access and admin to your R Base DB. I would really love to see someone do that for SQL 2000 MySQL I am sure that the community would be glad to pay for something like this. I know I would. Any takers? -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables
Title: RE: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables Upon further investigation, we were able to verify that the STARTUPURL runs consistently but the taf called does not process the @URL tag. It processes everything else but that tag. Oddly, we can still run the taf by hand and get the @URL to process correctly. Any thoughts? One of the reasons we require the domain vars to be initialized during startup is that we have historically found that the dump file gets out-of-date when Witango does not shut down properly (since it does not get a chance to write the most recent variable values). Thus when Witango restarts after a crash the wrong dump file is read. In addition, even though the VariableTIMEOUT is set to 0 in the domain scope, persistence across restarts does not always occur even when the server is shut down properly. We are hopeful that there we be few instance where Witango shuts down improperly with Ver5, but it is crucial for us to have up-to-date domain variable values at all times the server is running. At this point, our workaround is to delete the dump file at startup and shutdown and force the domain variable restoration the first time a taf is called. It would almost be better if we could turn off the dump file execution since inconsistent file writing is worse (for us) than no file writing. Most importantly, in a load splitting scenario where multiple instances of Witango server are installed on one (or more) machine, is that we have the capability of maintaining the same set of domain vars across all Witango servers. For example, if the admin of one of our sites was on instance 1 and updated a domain var, that value would need to be maintained on instance 2,3 etc. It would seem to me that this scenario would also exist for custom scoped variables. However, we have not seen anything in the docs that explicitly discuss this area and have found our initial testing to be somewhat frustrating. Any thoughts here are also greatly appreciated. My apologies for rambling on... Thanks John -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables Hi John, I'm going to guess that the problem might be more to do with STARTUPURL then @URL. Maybe the Server cannot find the address of the TAF specified in STARTUPURL? The HOSTS file is handy for these kinds of things. Do you know if STARTUPURL is successfully calling the TAF at all? Because the execution of the TAF in this case is not easy to see, try putting something like a File/Write Action in the TAF that records something in a text/log file - just to verify the TAF is executed. And no, I don't think it's possible to initialize Domain Variables from outside the Domain - unless you use @URL of course. Custom Scope works almost exactly like Domain Scope, except the Variables are visible across all Domains present on the Server. Just watch your naming, to make sure things don't get stepped on. Sometimes having the Variables visible across Domains is a good thing because then sites with more than one address on the same Server (e.g., www.mydomain.com and mydomain.com) can share one Custom Scope Variable as opposed to two Domain Scope Variables that are supposedly the same value. Hope this helps. Cheers Scott Cadillac, Witango.org - http://witango.org 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Information for the Witango Developer Community - XML-Extranet - http://xml-extra.net 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Well-formed Development (for hire) - -Original Message- From: John Hotaling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables I have the need to reinitialize domain variables for several domains from values stored in a db. It is critical that these values are current any time Witango starts or restarts. In the past, we have used the startup URL to call a taf (ironically we can run this taf by hand in a browser fine) that told us which domains required initialization. This taf in turn uses an @URL tag to restore domain vars for each respective domain. However, we have not had success using this logic with V5 of Witango and do not know why. We have tried the new parameters for the @URL tag without any luck. Is there any reason why our startup URL will not run with the @URL tag used in it? It is not reporting any errors in the log files during startup. Also, is there a way to set domain vars for a specific domain from within a different domain? Although it does not intuitively make sense to me that you could, I thought I would still pose the question. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Witango Application Server (Multiple
Re: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources?
yeah thats correct, im on R:Tango 5, shucks! (: Scott's suggestion w/ file reads and @array might work, im gonna play with it and see what i can get out of it. - Original Message - From: David Shelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:50 AM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? Atrix, I've done this with Tango 4, but not yet with Witango 5. I buildtango log analysis into my tango debugging toolset. There's a few hurdles to overcome. First you have to copy the .log file to a .txt file before analyzing it for 2 reasons, the MS Text ODBC driver looks for files with the .txt extension, and the .log file is locked by the witango server. Also, don't you run R:Tango? It will only talk to an RBase database, not a Text datasource. You'll need to run Witango5 instead of R:Tango5. Copy witango.log to witangolog.txt (or some other name) Create a datasource using the MS Text ODBC driver that points to the log directory Create a schema.ini file in the log directory. The one I use with T4 is shown below, it will be a little different with W5. Before you do any current analysis, take a fresh copy of witango.log into witangolog.txt A more robust solution would be to periodically copy the data from witangolog.txt and insert it into an database. Database engines have better better searching capabilities than the text driver. But even with the text driver you can do stuff like: select distinct userref from tangolog.txt where logtime [currentTime-variableTimeout] - this will give you all the userreferences of currently active users which you can use to check their user scope variables (that's one of the functions I use occasionally in debugging an app) The schema.ini file for a tango 4 log format looks like this: [tangolog.txt]ColNameHeader=FalseFormat=TabDelimitedMaxScanRows=25CharacterSet=OEMCol1=LOGDATE Char Width 10Col2=LOGTIME Char Width 10Col3=CLIENTIP Char Width 25Col4=USERREF Char Width 32Col5=THREADID IntegerCol6=THREADS IntegerCol7=ELAPSED IntegerCol8=THREADINFO Char Width 255Col9=THREADDATA Char Width 255Col10=POSITION Char Width 255Col11=APPFILE Char Width 255Col12=SERVER Char Width 255Col13=ARGUMENTS LongChar Dave Shelley -Original Message-From: Atrix Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:15 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? hello, Ifaintly remember hearing somewhere you can take a text file and make it a datasource somehow and interact with it? Im looking to do this with witango log files so that we dont have to go through it manualy looking for errors, or other information. It seems strange that something would be able to look at a txt file and find a structure to it and break the data into columns and such but who knows! Am i nuts or is this possible? Thanks!! Atrix TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Config.taf
Would appreciate it also Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Got it thanks -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com From: Dan Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:15 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Well if anyone has it I would appreciate it emailed off list to me. Thanks Dan -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com From: Ben Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Intelisoft, Inc. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:46:06 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Config.taf That's a good question. I thought it was up on the witango.com site :-P Well, it might be just not readily enumerated. Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Is there a version of config.taf for Witango Server 5 -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources?
Hey, You can still do it in R:Tango. I have been done it in a Stored Procedure using the LOAD AS ASCII Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Atrix Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? yeah thats correct, im on R:Tango 5, shucks! (: Scott's suggestion w/ file reads and @array might work, im gonna play with it and see what i can get out of it. - Original Message - From: David Shelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:50 AM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? Atrix, I've done this with Tango 4, but not yet with Witango 5. I buildtango log analysis into my tango debugging toolset. There's a few hurdles to overcome. First you have to copy the .log file to a .txt file before analyzing it for 2 reasons, the MS Text ODBC driver looks for files with the .txt extension, and the .log file is locked by the witango server. Also, don't you run R:Tango? It will only talk to an RBase database, not a Text datasource. You'll need to run Witango5 instead of R:Tango5. Copy witango.log to witangolog.txt (or some other name) Create a datasource using the MS Text ODBC driver that points to the log directory Create a schema.ini file in the log directory. The one I use with T4 is shown below, it will be a little different with W5. Before you do any current analysis, take a fresh copy of witango.log into witangolog.txt A more robust solution would be to periodically copy the data from witangolog.txt and insert it into an database. Database engines have better better searching capabilities than the text driver. But even with the text driver you can do stuff like: select distinct userref from tangolog.txt where logtime [currentTime-variableTimeout] - this will give you all the userreferences of currently active users which you can use to check their user scope variables (that's one of the functions I use occasionally in debugging an app) The schema.ini file for a tango 4 log format looks like this: [tangolog.txt] ColNameHeader=False Format=TabDelimited MaxScanRows=25 CharacterSet=OEM Col1=LOGDATE Char Width 10 Col2=LOGTIME Char Width 10 Col3=CLIENTIP Char Width 25 Col4=USERREF Char Width 32 Col5=THREADID Integer Col6=THREADS Integer Col7=ELAPSED Integer Col8=THREADINFO Char Width 255 Col9=THREADDATA Char Width 255 Col10=POSITION Char Width 255 Col11=APPFILE Char Width 255 Col12=SERVER Char Width 255 Col13=ARGUMENTS LongChar Dave Shelley -Original Message- From: Atrix Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? hello, Ifaintly remember hearing somewhere you can take a text file and make it a datasource somehow and interact with it? Im looking to do this with witango log files so that we dont have to go through it manualy looking for errors, or other information. It seems strange that something would be able to look at a txt file and find a structure to it and break the data into columns and such but who knows! Am i nuts or is this possible? Thanks!! Atrix TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Config.taf
Dan, Go to www.witango.com http://www.witango.com Under the Witango Products section (at the top below navigation). Other Witango 5 Admin App http://www2.witango.com/installers/witango5docs/Witango5Admin.zip Or click here : http://www2.witango.com/installers/witango5docs/Witango5Admin.zip -Dominick- -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com From: Ben Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Intelisoft, Inc. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:37:43 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Would appreciate it also Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Got it thanks -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com From: Dan Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:06:15 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Well if anyone has it I would appreciate it emailed off list to me. Thanks Dan -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com From: Ben Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Intelisoft, Inc. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:46:06 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Config.taf That's a good question. I thought it was up on the witango.com site :-P Well, it might be just not readily enumerated. Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Config.taf Is there a version of config.taf for Witango Server 5 -- Dan Stein Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Mobile: 610-256-2843 Fax 413-410-9682 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code Back on Topic
I agree, I told ya I was Brain Dead ;-) Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: John McGowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code Back on Topic Including a taf withing a taf is a totaly different beast. It represents a total misunderstanding of what the @include tag does and has nothing to do with the original question. Of course @including a taf withing a taf won't work. That's what branching is for. It's a moot point anyway, because the original problem that Roland had was simply because he had a typo in his included file. I just wanted to make sure that everybody understanded that there was nothing wronge with nested includes. /John Ben Johansen wrote: I went back into the archives Look at thread @INCLUDE problem Including a taf within a taf. I had an example but cant find it at this moment Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: John McGowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code Ben, I tried to send this post to you off the list, but your mail server doesn't seem to be accepting any thing from my mail server. Anyway, see my comments below about nested @includes. Ben Johansen wrote: Off List, Now, I remember (coffee finally kicked in) The reason your sub-include of the TML works is because TML is one of the extensions setup in the web server to tell the web server that Witango is responsible to process this file. No, the @include tag doesn't interact at all with the web server. It also doesn't care about file extensions. When the app server comes across an @include, it doesn't care what file extension it is... it simply includes the file and evaluates any meta code it comes across. In the case where an included HTML file calling a SUB-HTML file this is not the case. The SUB would not have its metatags processed Yes they are... See the enclosed example... I just tested this out. test.taf does an @include of test1.html test1.html does an @include of test2.html test2.html does an @include of test3.html test3.html executes @currentdate. /John ___ _ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf ___ _ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources?
I was able to access file datasources in R:tango in this way. With R:tango, you can only connect to an R:base database. But with R:base, you can sconnect other datasources into your R:base database. Set up your file DSN, go into R:base and sconnect that dsn into your R:base database. Now Tango will see the file DSN in the R:base database as another R:basetable and does not care that it is not really an R:base table. Troy -Original Message-From: Atrix Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:17 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? yeah thats correct, im on R:Tango 5, shucks! (: Scott's suggestion w/ file reads and @array might work, im gonna play with it and see what i can get out of it. - Original Message - From: David Shelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:50 AM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? Atrix, I've done this with Tango 4, but not yet with Witango 5. I buildtango log analysis into my tango debugging toolset. There's a few hurdles to overcome. First you have to copy the .log file to a .txt file before analyzing it for 2 reasons, the MS Text ODBC driver looks for files with the .txt extension, and the .log file is locked by the witango server. Also, don't you run R:Tango? It will only talk to an RBase database, not a Text datasource. You'll need to run Witango5 instead of R:Tango5. Copy witango.log to witangolog.txt (or some other name) Create a datasource using the MS Text ODBC driver that points to the log directory Create a schema.ini file in the log directory. The one I use with T4 is shown below, it will be a little different with W5. Before you do any current analysis, take a fresh copy of witango.log into witangolog.txt A more robust solution would be to periodically copy the data from witangolog.txt and insert it into an database. Database engines have better better searching capabilities than the text driver. But even with the text driver you can do stuff like: select distinct userref from tangolog.txt where logtime [currentTime-variableTimeout] - this will give you all the userreferences of currently active users which you can use to check their user scope variables (that's one of the functions I use occasionally in debugging an app) The schema.ini file for a tango 4 log format looks like this: [tangolog.txt]ColNameHeader=FalseFormat=TabDelimitedMaxScanRows=25CharacterSet=OEMCol1=LOGDATE Char Width 10Col2=LOGTIME Char Width 10Col3=CLIENTIP Char Width 25Col4=USERREF Char Width 32Col5=THREADID IntegerCol6=THREADS IntegerCol7=ELAPSED IntegerCol8=THREADINFO Char Width 255Col9=THREADDATA Char Width 255Col10=POSITION Char Width 255Col11=APPFILE Char Width 255Col12=SERVER Char Width 255Col13=ARGUMENTS LongChar Dave Shelley -Original Message-From: Atrix Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:15 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Witango-Talk: text files as data sources? hello, Ifaintly remember hearing somewhere you can take a text file and make it a datasource somehow and interact with it? Im looking to do this with witango log files so that we dont have to go through it manualy looking for errors, or other information. It seems strange that something would be able to look at a txt file and find a structure to it and break the data into columns and such but who knows! Am i nuts or is this possible? Thanks!! Atrix TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Mail
I wondering if there is something more. My domains are setup that way because my port provider prefers to manage the reverse address mapping with generic names like ip.address.in.reverse.in-addr.arpa PTR hostIP.port.provider (not mydomain.com) I have not noticed any problems with my mail being rejected. Even Ben Johansen has been receiving my messages all the time whenever I write to him directly. Sri Bill Conlon wrote: Ok, here's a typical setup (ignoring NS records) that people use for hosting domains Your main zone is mydomain.comA 123.456.789.123 www.mydomain.comCNAME mydomain.com mydomain.comMX10 mydomain.com Lets assume you have a full Class C, since it's simpler than classless delegation (when you have 8/16/32/64/128 IP addresses) Then your reverse zone includes: 123.789.456.123.in-addr.arpa PTR mydomain.com So you're typically sending mail with your address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) via your SMTP server at mydomain.com which passes the reverse lookup test. Your client at herdomain.com is using virtual hosts on yours server and is set up as: herdomain.comA 123.456.789.123 www.herdomain.comCNAME herdomain.com herdomain.comMX10 herdomain.com There can't be a single pointer to two A records, so when [EMAIL PROTECTED] sends mail, the reverse lookup points to mydomain.com! This causes the mail to bounce if the reverse lookup test is used. Very Interesting! I have multiple domains and a single mail server. The mail server has its own domain (smtpmirage.net). All the hosted domains A records point directly to the IP address. The MX record points to mail@domain.com (and mail@domain.com is an A record that points to the IP address). Seems to work OK.. Mark Bushaw - Original Message - From: "Ben Johansen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Interesting Didn't realize that because I have multiple domains on mine. Anyway, it's just a rant. I had a server crash on me earlier this year when it got hijaced by a spammer, and I've spent a lot of hours this year fighting off spam. But I still think it's better to allow mail from senders that don't pass the reverse lookup, and instead rely on black hole lists at the server, and some simple filters on the mail readers. Because I don't want to have to tell my clients that we can't receive mail from them. Considering turning it off. Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Bill Conlon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Off-topic: I would send this directly, but it might bounce. One problem w/ PTR records is they map one-to-one to A records. But many names (both A and CNAME records) map to one PTR. Hence if you support many domains with a single mail server, you can't satisfy the reverse lookup condition. Also, you can't always keep PTRs up to date unless you run the reverse zone for your subnet. Some ISPs will NOT provide classless delegation, so you have to depend on the ISP to maintain your PTRs, leaving you at their mercy -- not a good thing in my opinion. For most of our clients for whom we provide mail, I ask them to use our server for POP, but continue to use their ISP for SMTP. Some though prefer to use our server for both, and the consequence is that AOL just doesn't get messages from them. Of course AOL's hypocracy is the big story, since they and hotmail have been big spam sources. And much spam now flows through open relays, which may still have PTR records that match the A record, so what does that do? Anyway, it's just a rant. I had a server crash on me earlier this year when it got hijaced by a spammer, and I've spent a lot of hours this year fighting off spam. But I still think it's better to allow mail from senders that don't pass the reverse lookup, and instead rely on black hole lists at the server, and some simple filters on the mail readers. Because I don't want to have to tell my clients that we can't receive mail from them. Hi, Sorry you couldn't connect. I went to dnsreport.com and your mail server doesn't reverse DNS (checkout fail in MX section) http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=internetcommercesolu t ions.net In order to curb spam there is a shift in this, AOL has shifted to this and those who have mail servers that don't have PTR (reverse DNS)
Re: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Mail
As near as I can tell, your mail agent doesn't talk to the world, but talks to infoserve. As long as infoserve accepts SMTP from maxys, and are configured correctly, it should work. I wondering if there is something more. My domains are setup that way because my port provider prefers to manage the reverse address mapping with generic names like ip.address.in.reverse.in-addr.arpa PTR hostIP.port.provider (not mydomain.com) I have not noticed any problems with my mail being rejected. Even Ben Johansen has been receiving my messages all the time whenever I write to him directly. Sri Bill Conlon wrote: Ok, here's a typical setup (ignoring NS records) that people use for hosting domains Your main zone is mydomain.comA 123.456.789.123 www.mydomain.comCNAME mydomain.com mydomain.comMX10 mydomain.com Lets assume you have a full Class C, since it's simpler than classless delegation (when you have 8/16/32/64/128 IP addresses) Then your reverse zone includes: 123.789.456.123.in-addr.arpa PTR mydomain.com So you're typically sending mail with your address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) via your SMTP server at mydomain.com which passes the reverse lookup test. Your client at herdomain.com is using virtual hosts on yours server and is set up as: herdomain.comA 123.456.789.123 www.herdomain.comCNAME herdomain.com herdomain.comMX10 herdomain.com There can't be a single pointer to two A records, so when [EMAIL PROTECTED] sends mail, the reverse lookup points to mydomain.com! This causes the mail to bounce if the reverse lookup test is used. Very Interesting! I have multiple domains and a single mail server. The mail server has its own domain (smtpmirage.net). All the hosted domains A records point directly to the IP address. The MX record points to mail@domain.com (and mail@domain.com is an A record that points to the IP address). Seems to work OK.. Mark Bushaw - Original Message - From: Ben Johansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Interesting Didn't realize that because I have multiple domains on mine. Anyway, it's just a rant. I had a server crash on me earlier this year when it got hijaced by a spammer, and I've spent a lot of hours this year fighting off spam. But I still think it's better to allow mail from senders that don't pass the reverse lookup, and instead rely on black hole lists at the server, and some simple filters on the mail readers. Because I don't want to have to tell my clients that we can't receive mail from them. Considering turning it off. Ben Johansen - http://www.pcforge.com Authorized Witango Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/WitangoGoodies.htm Authorized MDaemon Mail Server Reseller http://www.pcforge.com/AltN.htm -Original Message- From: Bill Conlon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: including snippets of code [OT] Off-topic: I would send this directly, but it might bounce. One problem w/ PTR records is they map one-to-one to A records. But many names (both A and CNAME records) map to one PTR. Hence if you support many domains with a single mail server, you can't satisfy the reverse lookup condition. Also, you can't always keep PTRs up to date unless you run the reverse zone for your subnet. Some ISPs will NOT provide classless delegation, so you have to depend on the ISP to maintain your PTRs, leaving you at their mercy -- not a good thing in my opinion. For most of our clients for whom we provide mail, I ask them to use our server for POP, but continue to use their ISP for SMTP. Some though prefer to use our server for both, and the consequence is that AOL just doesn't get messages from them. Of course AOL's hypocracy is the big story, since they and hotmail have been big spam sources. And much spam now flows through open relays, which may still have PTR records that match the A record, so what does that do? Anyway, it's just a rant. I had a server crash on me earlier this year when it got hijaced by a spammer, and I've spent a lot of hours this year fighting off spam. But I still think it's better to allow mail from senders that don't pass the reverse lookup, and instead rely on black hole lists at the server, and some simple filters on the mail readers. Because I don't want to have to tell my clients that we can't receive mail from them. Hi, Sorry you couldn't connect. I went to dnsreport.com and your mail server doesn't reverse DNS (checkout fail in MX section) http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=internetcommercesolu t ions.net In order to curb spam there is a shift in this, AOL has shifted to this and those who have mail servers that don't have
Witango-Talk: Personal Server
Is there any news yet about the existence of the personal server? I'm waiting to upgrade to the version 5 editor until the personal server is available. I don't want to have to keep getting new temp keys for a trial version of the app server each month. Stefan Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Personal Server
Hi Stefan, It's right on the front page of http://www.witango.com under Development Server Licenses. I've been using it for a few weeks now - works great :-) Hope this is what you are looking for. Cheers... Scott Cadillac, Witango.org - http://witango.org 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Information for the Witango Developer Community - XML-Extranet - http://xml-extra.net 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Well-formed Development (for hire) - -Original Message- From: Stefan Gonick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Personal Server Is there any news yet about the existence of the personal server? I'm waiting to upgrade to the version 5 editor until the personal server is available. I don't want to have to keep getting new temp keys for a trial version of the app server each month. Stefan Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables
Title: RE: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables John, First, to get your domain vars to load correctly your best bet may be to Set the PERSISTENTRESTART switch in your Witango.ini file = false. From the docs: When set to true, the server first attempts to completely shut down the running server before restarting a new one. All variables in use at the time of the shutdown are preserved. When set to false, a new server is started immediately, even before the old one is stopped. This setting ensures high server availability, but variables from the old server instance are not available in the new one. The default value is true. I'm not 100% but I think this will bypass the dump file and come back with empty domain variables (at least that is what my tests have concluded). In regards to your load splitting scenario, it doesn't look good. I searched the archives and found the following: http://www.witango.com/readmail.taf?_function=detailid=3210 http://www.witango.com/readmail.taf?_function=detailid=1548 http://www.witango.com/readmail.taf?_function=detailid=1547 This pretty much rules out load-splitting for anyone using Domain Vars to control content (if you wanted to search the database to get the values each time you wouldn't have used Domain Vars to begin with). Maybe this has changed from Tango2000 to Witango 5 but I doubt it. It would be great if someone from With Enterprises could confirm this! Good Luck, Dominick - Original Message - From: John Hotaling To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables Upon further investigation, we were able to verify that the STARTUPURL runs consistently but the taf called does not process the @URL tag. It processes everything else but that tag. Oddly, we can still run the taf by hand and get the @URL to process correctly. Any thoughts? One of the reasons we require the domain vars to be initialized during startup is that we have historically found that the dump file gets "out-of-date" when Witango does not shut down properly (since it does not get a chance to write the most recent variable values). Thus when Witango restarts after a crash the "wrong" dump file is read. In addition, even though the VariableTIMEOUT is set to 0 in the domain scope, persistence across restarts does not always occur even when the server is shut down properly. We are hopeful that there we be few instance where Witango shuts down improperly with Ver5, but it is crucial for us to have up-to-date domain variable values at all times the server is running. At this point, our workaround is to delete the dump file at startup and shutdown and force the domain variable restoration the first time a taf is called. It would almost be better if we could turn off the dump file execution since inconsistent file writing is worse (for us) than no file writing. Most importantly, in a load splitting scenario where multiple instances of Witango server are installed on one (or more) machine, is that we have the capability of maintaining the same set of domain vars across all Witango servers. For example, if the admin of one of our sites was on instance 1 and updated a domain var, that value would need to be maintained on instance 2,3 etc. It would seem to me that this scenario would also exist for custom scoped variables. However, we have not seen anything in the docs that explicitly discuss this area and have found our initial testing to be somewhat frustrating. Any thoughts here are also greatly appreciated. My apologies for rambling on... Thanks John -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Startup URL and Domain Variables Hi John, I'm going to guess that the problem might be more to do with STARTUPURL then @URL. Maybe the Server cannot find the address of the TAF specified in STARTUPURL? The "HOSTS" file is handy for these kinds of things. Do you know if STARTUPURL is successfully calling the TAF at all? Because the execution of the TAF in this case is not easy to see, try putting something like a File/Write Action in the TAF that records something in a text/log file - just to verify the TAF is executed. And no, I don't think it's possible to initialize Domain Variables from outside the Domain - unless you use @URL of course. Custom Scope works almost exactly like Domain Scope, except the Variables are visible across all Domains present on the Server. Just watch your naming, to make sure things don't get stepped on. Sometimes having the Variables visible across Domains is a good thing because then sites with more than one address on the same Server (e.g., www.mydomain.com
Re: Witango-Talk: Personal Server
I would suggest to With Enterprise technical team to post a short summary in this list whenever they make changes to the website. I guess I am more event driven than polled cycle driven worker. Sri Stefan Gonick wrote: Hi Scott, Yes, this is what I was looking for. I hadn't noticed the announcement on the web site. Now, I would like the next version of the editor that fixes a number of the bugs that have been mentioned and I'm ready to roll. Any news about when the next bug-fixed version of the editor (Windows) is coming out? Thanks, Stefan At 01:00 PM 6/20/2003 -0600, you wrote: Hi Stefan, It's right on the front page of http://www.witango.com under Development Server Licenses. I've been using it for a few weeks now - works great :-) Hope this is what you are looking for. Cheers... Scott Cadillac, Witango.org - http://witango.org 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Information for the Witango Developer Community - XML-Extranet - http://xml-extra.net 403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Well-formed Development (for hire) - -Original Message- From: Stefan Gonick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Witango-Talk: Personal Server Is there any news yet about the existence of the personal server? I'm waiting to upgrade to the version 5 editor until the personal server is available. I don't want to have to keep getting new temp keys for a trial version of the app server each month. Stefan Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Java Bean Directory Management
Kevin, Thankyou for providing source to the witango-talk list. Do you mind if we compile it up and add it to our component zone. We will register it with your details. Regards Phil On 20/6/03 3:25 AM, Kevin Boydstun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there seems to be a lot of interest in the subject, here is an open source .java file I wrote to do the things mentioned, and a .taf file that uses it. We've compiled and ran it fine in the newest versions of Witango Server and Development Studio. TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/maillist.taf
