Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question
On Mar 3, 2004, at 10:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but why is everyone so enthused about safari?, Because it's a very good, very fast browser. And it's very well integrated with OS X. The debug menu is extremely useful: it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers, it has a basic load test engine built in, it can show the DOM tree... After my frustrations I use Mozilla firebird. That's good too. I use it as my second browser for those few reticent sites that just don't know a standard when it bites them on the nose (e.g., Microsoft Exchange WebMail). I just don't like the UI as much. This means that when you develop for a company, you can do their profile on the browser. ... just imagine how stoked they would be with their corporate Branding running all browsers on their network. Maybe times have changed but that never seemed to appeal to any company I've ever dealt with... :) Regards, Sean * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question
What tha - how does this work? On 04/02/2004, at 6:17 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: The debug menu is extremely useful: it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers, it has a basic load test engine built in, it can show the DOM tree... x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerPeter Gifford Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] a name
Title: Message OK I have now changed all my anchor tags to the following a name="c44"/a as you can see there is nothing in between the tags, this is to overcome the issue where I have a global style for the a element which is also applied to the a name element. Is this still correct though, having nothing in between the tags? Taco Fleur Blog http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/Methodology http://www.tacofleur.com/index/methodology/ Tell me and I will forgetShow me and I will rememberTeach me and I will learn
Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question
Here's how to enable it: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030110063041629 However, before you get too excited it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers merely refers to it's ability to set the User Agent HTTP header to say it's another browser. Useful e.g. when online banking with a bank that doesn't recognise Safari as a viable browser even if it otherwise functions fine. Now you see Safari ...switch... now you see Windows MSIE 6.0, etc., type thing. Nick What tha - how does this work? On 04/02/2004, at 6:17 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: The debug menu is extremely useful: it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers, it has a basic load test engine built in, it can show the DOM tree... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] reply to Safari question
Nick Lo wrote: Here's how to enable it: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030110063041629 However, before you get too excited it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers merely refers to it's ability to set the User Agent HTTP header to say it's another browser. Useful e.g. when online banking with a bank that doesn't recognise Safari as a viable browser even if it otherwise functions fine. Now you see Safari ...switch... now you see Windows MSIE 6.0, etc., type thing. I'd just like to weigh in here say that I think doing this is *incredibly* counter-productive if you don't also complain to the site in question, if the bank/whatever turns to their stats at the end of the year/month/etc., sees that no-one is using opera/safari/whathaveyou, then they are a lot less likely to take their silly browser detection crap away. If, however, they have a pile of emails from customers telling them that they can't get into their site, then they're a lot more likely to make the change. That said, it's also handy to get into NYT articles without registering (hint, GoogleBot doesn't need to register... :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Overflow scrollbars
This is my first post. I'm pleasantly surprised with the use of overflow: scroll because it seems to be the W3C's answer to frames pages. Would I be right there? Also I've noticed the vertical scrollbar is active, but the horizontal scrollbar is greyed out unless it has work to do. Is there any way of getting rid of the greyed-out horizontal scrollbar? It's not too intrusive, but it would be nicer not to see it at all. Thanks for such a useful forum.
Re: [WSG] Overflow scrollbars
use overflow:auto and as long as your content isn't too wide... no horizontal scroll... - Original Message - From: John Penlington To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:09 AM Subject: [WSG] Overflow scrollbars This is my first post. I'm pleasantly surprised with the use of overflow: scroll because it seems to be the W3C's answer to frames pages. Would I be right there? Also I've noticed the vertical scrollbar is active, but the horizontal scrollbar is greyed out unless it has work to do. Is there any way of getting rid of the greyed-out horizontal scrollbar? It's not too intrusive, but it would be nicer not to see it at all. Thanks for such a useful forum.
Re: [WSG] Overflow scrollbars
Hello, scrollbar-track-color: #whatever; works in IEx, and some other browsers (Preferences... "enable scrollbar colors"), but it's an IE propriety - and it does not validate XHTML Strict. Having said this, I do like the colorizing of scrollbars, as it makes for a "branding" of the site with the browser itself. Just my 1 1/2 cents, Martin E. - Original Message - From: Universal Head To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Overflow scrollbars I've just used overflow:auto on a site and am very surprised about how well it works on a range of browsers too. No more inline frames perhaps ...These work on IEWin only too for a bit of scrollbar customising (discovered on www.squidfingers.com):scrollbar-track-color: #whatever;scrollbar-face-color: #whatever;scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #whatever;scrollbar-shadow-color: #whatever;scrollbar-3dlight-color: #whatever;scrollbar-highlight-color: #whatever;scrollbar-arrow-color: #whatever;PeterOn 05/02/2004, at 2:09 AM, John Penlington wrote: I'm pleasantly surprised with the use ofoverflow: scrollbecause it seems to be the W3C's answer to frames pages. Would I be right there?Universal HeadDesign That Works.7/43 Bridge Rd StanmoreNSW 2048 AustraliaT (+612) 9517 1466F (+612) 9565 4747E [EMAIL PROTECTED]W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Overflow scrollbars
Martin E wrote: Hello, Having said this, I do like the colorizing of scrollbars, as it makes for a "branding" of the site with the browser itself. But I can't see your branding... let the user have their widgets. Just my 1 1/2 cents, Martin E. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Second try with [a name]
Taco, Blacklisted? Now there's an idea ;-) - You see, I knew you guys were thinking about it ;-)) - The simple answer to your question is: HTML 4.01: User agents should be able to find anchors created by empty A elements, but some fail to do so. citehttp://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#edef-A/cite - Some fail to do so, hhmmm, so a nbsp; would do the trick? Maybe with display: none so it doesn't take up any space?? - XHTML 1.0: has deprecated the name attribute of the a, applet, form, frame, iframe, img, and map elements, and it will be removed from XHTML in subsequent versions. citehttp://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_8/cite It's all in the W3C specifications. Regards, -- Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ Taco Fleur wrote: Not sure what the prob is, maybe I am being blacklisted? ;-)) a name=c44/a Is this still correct though, having nothing in between the tags? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Second try with [a name]
Taco, Your initial post stated the issue was: quoteto overcome the issue where I have a global style for the a element which is also applied to the a name element./quote At this stage, you're trying fix your fix: HTML 4.01: User agents should be able to find anchors created by empty A elements, but some fail to do so. Some fail to do so, hhmmm, so a nbsp; would do the trick? Maybe with display: none so it doesn't take up any space?? Take a step back. Two suggestions: i. Can you apply your styles to a:link instead? Thus keeping a unstyled. ii. Are you wrapping your named anchors around headings? You might style the a, and override with h2 styles. hth, Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Second try with [a name]
i. Can you apply your styles to a:link instead? Thus keeping a unstyled. I could, but I prefer not to. ii. Are you wrapping your named anchors around headings? You might style the a, and override with h2 styles. I'm not wrapping my anchors around anything anymore (on development anyway) they are all empty. But you said that some browsers might ignore empty anchors, thus my suggestion was to put nbsp; between the tag, and then set its style to not display so it does not take up any space, something like a name=c44 class=anchor/a * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Second try with [a name]
Title: RE: [WSG] Second try with [a name] Taco wrote: my suggestion was to put nbsp; between the tag, and then set its style to not display so it does not take up any space, something like a name=c44 class=anchor/a If you set display:none on the links opera and mozilla wont recognize them to be on the page and therefore the links *to* them dont work. you might be better off making font-size: 1px with a colour to match the backgound so they are still there, just invisible. or doing this as was suggested earlier i think can avoid all this... a name=c44 class=anchor / pete
[WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?
Hi all, I need to do a small test in IE5, but I don't have access to a copy of it. And since the bit I need to test is the hover action on the menus, BrowserCam is not going to do the trick I think. So could someone who has IE5 please have a look at http://www.flemingclinics.com.au and run the mouse over the menu bar at the side? I need to know where the sub-menus are appearing, since my client (who is running IE5 has said that they are appearing over the main menu bar. I've made some code changes, and I want to see if I've shifted it far enough. And frankly, I would prefer to do it without resorting to asking my client, since every time I talk to him I'm faced with the urge to smack him around the head lately. *sigh* Cheers, Seona. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Image floating question
Ok, if anyone is interested, I decided to go down the 'sliding doors'
(http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/)
path, which has given me the result I was hoping for.
The right image now slides over the top of the left instead of breaking and going onto
a new line.
Maybe not the best way to do it though... any thoughts?
Thanks
James
#header {
width:100%;
background:#000 url(../images/ww_banner_bg.gif) right repeat-x bottom;
font-size:93%;
line-height:normal;
height:136px;
}
#header ul {
width:100%;
margin:0;
padding:0;
list-style:none;
}
#header li {
float:left;
background:url(../images/ww_banner.gif) no-repeat left top;
margin:0;
padding:0;
width:100%;
height:136px;
}
#header a {
float:right;
display:block;
background:url(../images/ww_banner_vine.gif) no-repeat right top;
padding:0;
text-decoration:none;
font-weight:bold;
color:#765;
width:292px;
height:128px;
}
!-- header --
div id=header
ul
lia href=index.cfm/a/li
/ul
/div
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Re: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?
hi Seona,
macintosh ie 5.2
x-tad-smaller
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/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller!--
function MM_reloadPage(init) { //reloads the window if Nav4 resized
if (init==true) with (navigator) {if ((appName==Netscape)(parseInt(appVersion)==4)) {
document.MM_pgW=innerWidth; document.MM_pgH=innerHeight; onresize=MM_reloadPage; }}
else if (innerWidth!=document.MM_pgW || innerHeight!=document.MM_pgH) location.reload();
}
MM_reloadPage(true);
// Script to control menus in IE
startList = function() {
if (document.alldocument.getElementById) {
navRoot = document.getElementById(nav);
for (i=0; inavRoot.childNodes.length; i++) { // pops error on this line
node = navRoot.childNodes[i];
if (node.nodeName==LI) {
node.onmouseover=function() {
this.className+= over;
}
node.onmouseout=function() {
this.className=this.className.replace( over, );
}
}
}
}
}
window.onload=startList;
//--/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller>
/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller/script/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller>
I have commented on line above which wont work..
menu won't work on This browser...
Hope this helps/x-tad-smaller
Re: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?
On IE5 / Mac the dropdown menus don't expand at all. On Feb 5, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Seona Bellamy wrote: Hi all, I need to do a small test in IE5, but I don't have access to a copy of it. And since the bit I need to test is the hover action on the menus, BrowserCam is not going to do the trick I think. So could someone who has IE5 please have a look at http://www.flemingclinics.com.au and run the mouse over the menu bar at the side? I need to know where the sub-menus are appearing, since my client (who is running IE5 has said that they are appearing over the main menu bar. I've made some code changes, and I want to see if I've shifted it far enough. And frankly, I would prefer to do it without resorting to asking my client, since every time I talk to him I'm faced with the urge to smack him around the head lately. *sigh* Cheers, Seona. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?
What about Netscape? On 05/02/2004, at 3:09 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: Here's a screeny of IE5 on windows. My cursor is over the work removal. There's a pretty easy way to get different versions of IE running side by side - check some of these links: http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE http://www.clagnut.com/blog/259/ http://www.google.com.au/search?q=IE+side+by+side x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
RE: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?
Netscape isn't tied to the OS like IE is on Windows, so it isn't an issue. You can load any number of other browsers, but without the aforementioned installations, you are generally stuck with one version of IE unless you set up a dual-boot system. P From: Universal Head [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me? What about Netscape?On 05/02/2004, at 3:09 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: Here's a screeny of IE5 on windows. My cursor is over the work "removal".There's a pretty easy way to get different versions of IE running side byside - check some of these links:http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IEhttp://www.clagnut.com/blog/259/http://www.google.com.au/search?q=IE+side+by+sideUniversal HeadDesign That Works.7/43 Bridge Rd StanmoreNSW 2048 AustraliaT (+612) 9517 1466F (+612) 9565 4747E [EMAIL PROTECTED]W www.universalhead.com
