RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype
Chris Bentley might be able to give you an exact DOM solution, as he had to deal with this exact same problem only 6 months ago, but I'd still just try working with HTML 4.01 :O) Cheers Jeff Lowder Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of matt sawkill Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 2:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype Great idea, but i can't get it to work - Have tried window.document.childNodes[0].nodeValue = '!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN \n http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd'; and similar in ie6, but the document stays in quirks mode. Any ideas or working examples of a doctype change? Also other browsers are returning the html tag not the doctype as the first node in the document. Cheers On 3 Jun 2004, at 13:47, Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st wrote: With regard to the DOCTYPE, you could use a DOM script to re-write it, if you like (I'd be wary though - you might end up with more in-valid pages than not). I would first start with whatever the CMS can output easily (least work), if that's HTML 4.0 then go with that - as this is still a completely valid DOCTYPE - you don't necessarily have to go with XHTML strict. HTML 4.01 STRICT might actually be a better/easier way to go anyway. Whatever DOCTYPE you use - just make sure it's a valid one, i.e. !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of matt sawkill Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype Hi, I've been engaged to produce some standards compliant xhtml templates for a largish website for a legal firm. The programming and backend is being handled by another company - at the clients request they are using the 'Lotus Workplace Web Content Management' system (nee Aptrix) which is being integrated/built on top of Lotus Domino. It turns out that Domino can only generate the following html 4 doctype with no url - !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN Found some confirmation of this here: http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/TAIO-5V5LQN http://www.notestips.com/80256b3a007f2692/1/taio-5v73sc Which puts ie into quirks mode, and doesn't let me write xthml strict either - obviously not a good thing when the site needs to be. Panic ensues. Anyone else come across this and have and advice/reliable hacks? Cheers, Matt * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] IE pushes text below viewport
Hi all, I am having a problem with IE 6(haven't tested IE 5.5 or earlier)pushing down the text to below the viewport if the dt text is longer than a line. Has someone experienced similar problem ? I have the problematic page here: http://spadoctor.jefferyfernandez.id.au/faq.php Refers to: Can an external gas heater be added to my existing spa and what are the benefits? at the bottom of the page. and the offending dt removed as shown here: http://spadoctor.jefferyfernandez.id.au/faq2.php Also noticed .. this behaviour happens only if the page is maximised. I am viewing in 800x600 reso styles as seen here: http://spadoctor.jefferyfernandez.id.au/styles/screen.css #navigation is the left navigation which is floated left and #content is the main body which holds #bodyContent any ideas here ? Thanks for your time Jeffery Fernandez http://melbourne.ug.php.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] IE... grrr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can someone CSS-savvy please take a look at http://stephencollins.blogdns.org/ and tell me why: * my calendar renders beautifully in Firefox and crap in IE? * the right-side bar is indented a couple of pixels on IE? I assume it's some CSS non-compliance on IE's part, but I'm not clever enough to fix it... Oh, and does anyone know a fix for the non-compliant id's Movable Type puts in? Steve - -- Stephen Collins E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W http://stephencollins.blogdns.org ICQ 1014940 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Y! trib -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) iD8DBQFAvsf+B6K6hSCnql4RAoRRAKC5cJKX7UMlT6FAnhW6d06mnPYLOQCgtI4E 9hWhdg1/FoieD9kWSJHh5Gs= =XanH -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [WSG] IE... grrr
Well both problems in IE6 are because it's triggering quirks mode and using the broken box model. If you remove ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? from the start of the document it should detect the doc type and switch to strict mode. Of course this won't fix it under IE 5, if you want to fix that you'll have to use a box model hack to declare a different widths for IE. Jake Quoting Collins, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can someone CSS-savvy please take a look at http://stephencollins.blogdns.org/ and tell me why: * my calendar renders beautifully in Firefox and crap in IE? * the right-side bar is indented a couple of pixels on IE? I assume it's some CSS non-compliance on IE's part, but I'm not clever enough to fix it... Oh, and does anyone know a fix for the non-compliant id's Movable Type puts in? Steve - -- Stephen Collins E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W http://stephencollins.blogdns.org ICQ 1014940 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Y! trib -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) iD8DBQFAvsf+B6K6hSCnql4RAoRRAKC5cJKX7UMlT6FAnhW6d06mnPYLOQCgtI4E 9hWhdg1/FoieD9kWSJHh5Gs= =XanH -END PGP SIGNATURE- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] IE... grrr
Hi Steve, IE commonly has problems with 100% width.
Thisll fix it.
#calendar {
color: #66;
line-height: 140%;
padding: 2px;
text-align: center;
width: 100%;
}
Cheers
Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au
Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/
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IE?
I assume it's some CSS non-compliance on IE's part,
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[WSG] IE mac 5.1 problems with floats
Hi everyone... I have just completed a couple of sites and both fall to bits in a big way in IE 5.1 or whatever for MAC... all the divs are all over the shop. It seems to be ignoring the floats and clears. What should i be doing to get this sorted... urls are www.juganaut.com.au- css at www.juganaut.com.au/css/juganaut.css www.steelcentral.com.au css at www.steelcentral.com.au/styles/steelcentral.css same problemo on both sites. both lots of html and css validate... and this really gives me the sh*ts any help offered will be greatly appreciated. Jackie
RE: [WSG] IE... grrr
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RE: [WSG] IE mac 5.1 problems with floats
Hi Jackie, This actually came up on this list last week I think... Basically, IE5 on the Mac has a problem with clearing floats. You need to have separate clearing elements, eg div style=clear:both/div between the elements that need to be cleared. Check the archives for more details if you like... HTH, K. -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackie Reid Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE mac 5.1 problems with floats Hi everyone... I have just completed a couple of sites and both fall to bits in a big way in IE 5.1 or whatever for MAC... all the divs are all over the shop. It seems to be ignoring the floats and clears. What should i be doing to get this sorted... urls are www.juganaut.com.au - css at www.juganaut.com.au/css/juganaut.css www.steelcentral.com.au css at www.steelcentral.com.au/styles/steelcentral.css same problemo on both sites. both lots of html and css validate... and this really gives me the sh*ts any help offered will be greatly appreciated. Jackie * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE mac 5.1 problems with floats
Thanks Kay.. I did have a look through the archives just before but must have been asking the wrong search question... will have another go. Hi Jackie, This actually came up on this list last week I think... Basically, IE5 on the Mac has a problem with clearing floats. You need to have separate clearing elements, eg div style=clear:both/div between the elements that need to be cleared. Check the archives for more details if you like... HTH, K. -- Kay Smoljak Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation PerthWeb Pty Ltd - http://www.perthweb.com.au/ Ph: 08 9226 1366 - Fax: 08 9226 1375 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackie Reid Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE mac 5.1 problems with floats Hi everyone... I have just completed a couple of sites and both fall to bits in a big way in IE 5.1 or whatever for MAC... all the divs are all over the shop. It seems to be ignoring the floats and clears. What should i be doing to get this sorted... urls are www.juganaut.com.au - css at www.juganaut.com.au/css/juganaut.css www.steelcentral.com.au css at www.steelcentral.com.au/styles/steelcentral.css same problemo on both sites. both lots of html and css validate... and this really gives me the sh*ts any help offered will be greatly appreciated. Jackie * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype
xhtml is the client's request - they don't see the point of undergoing a major redevelopment without being up to date (as an example to their own clients among other things). This was made clear at the start of the project but i gather that the technology decisions had already been made (and paid for) by their IT dept, so its now as much of a political issue as a technical one. As I said, I would clearly outline the problem to the client, and outline the three options I can realistically see here: a) they overcome their political backstabbing games and change the backend to something that can handle xhtml output( or, as a variant, some extra server-side coding/patching/kludge to get the existing backend to at least chuck out the right doctype) b) they live with html4 and the potential few display discrepancies with IE (with careful, albeit slightly more hacky/convoluted markup, you can attempt to smooth out as many of the quirks mode issues as possible) c) table based design I'd try to get the point across to the client that a) is obviously the ideal solution, and that b) and c) will involve extra time/cost in terms of production, and potentially more work further down the line when it comes time to tweak / redesign the site. Beyond that, there's nothing legit that can be done. As I said before, using JS DOM to rewrite the doctype client-side is a kludge if I've ever seen one, and brings with it a whole other share of problems. The ball is in the client's court, really... P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] SkillSwap
The next SkillSwap is running this monday. For more info, see www.skillswap.org Andy * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] SkillSwap
Oops, Sorry folks. Somehow I managed to send this to the wrong mailing list :-( Don't I feel like a prat! Andy Budd wrote: The next SkillSwap is running this monday. For more info, see www.skillswap.org Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] SkillSwap
Still kinda Useful info! Phunky * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] SkillSwap
can you get it in New Zealand? Camz - Original Message - From: Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] SkillSwap Still kinda Useful info! Phunky * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Reminder about Sydney meeting - Thursday 10 June
Ah.. I wish I could attend but I live on the other side of the globe. Are these presentations put on your website anywhere? Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley - Maxdesign Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:47 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Reminder about Sydney meeting - Thursday 10 June June WSG Meeting (Sydney) Thursday 10 June, 2004 6:30pm - Informal start/Networking 7:00pm - Official start Peter Ottery talks about converting the SMH and The Age to full CSS. Should be a very interesting presentation. Hope to see you all! RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presentation notes will be online for out-of-Sydney members soon after the event. Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] SkillSwap
Looks interesting; thank you for sharing. Is it located in England? Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Budd Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] SkillSwap Oops, Sorry folks. Somehow I managed to send this to the wrong mailing list :-( Don't I feel like a prat! Andy Budd wrote: The next SkillSwap is running this monday. For more info, see www.skillswap.org Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] SkillSwap
Well if somebody wants to pay for my airfare over, I'd be more than happy to run a few sessions :-) If somebody in NZ or OZ want's to give me a well paid job, even better. Loverly part of the world. Alternatively you may be to open up a NZ branch of the WSG and then you could run your own events. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: can you get it in New Zealand? Camz Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE mac 5.1 problems with floats
On Jun 3, 2004, at 4:55 pm, Jackie Reid wrote:
Hi everyone...
I have just completed a couple of sites and both fall to bits in a big
way in IE 5.1 or whatever for MAC... all the divs are all over the
shop. It seems to be ignoring the floats and clears.
What should i be doing to get this sorted...
urls are
www.juganaut.com.au - css at www.juganaut.com.au/css/juganaut.css
I only had a look at the first URL - the problems start with
div#wrapper, this {height:100%} is causing IE mac - not incorrectly -
big headaches. Why setting the height ? and 100% of what ? anyway, IE
mac computes that height to 0. This also causes problems with he child
elements. Have a look around a the url in the signature below. You'll
find about everything you need -or hits one and two in Google:
http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf-8oe=utf-8q=IE%20Mac%20bugs
Philippe
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[WSG] Css problems..
Hi, i've a problem with Mozilla that i can't resolve. In this site (www.comune.castelnuovo-berardenga.si.it) Mozilla display a white line under the top banner and i can't understand why. anybody can help me? thanks, bye. Vince * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Reminder about Sydney meeting - Thursday 10 June
I can hardly wait to see the notes! I'm very interested in the topic. Leslie in the USA Presentation notes will be online for out-of-Sydney members soon after the event. Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] SkillSwap
Well, darn. Is there something like that in the US anywhere? I like the concept. Leslie Sorry folks. Somehow I managed to send this to the wrong mailing list :-( * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Css problems..
Your site has some errors. Try to fix them first. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comune.castelnuovo-berardenga.si.it%2Fcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlineverbose=1 -- Razvan Pop http://alegeri-locale.stockapplets.com/2/alegeri-locale-2004.html Befree wrote: Hi, i've a problem with Mozilla that i can't resolve. In this site (www.comune.castelnuovo-berardenga.si.it) Mozilla display a white line under the top banner and i can't understand why. anybody can help me? thanks, bye. Vince * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Css problems..
First off, try validating your site - when I ran the W3C HTML validator it came back NOT valid XHTML 1.1 and there were three errors. Second, although you've got a style sheet, your layout is still controlled by tables? I would look at those first before trying to fix the white line issue. Using CSS for layout can give you a very elegant and clean design without all that markup you're using. Just my humble opinion, for what little it's worth (I'm somewhat a newbie myself - always looking to learn). Leslie Hi, i've a problem with Mozilla that i can't resolve. In this site (www.comune.castelnuovo-berardenga.si.it) Mozilla display a white line under the top banner and i can't understand why. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Mozilla chocks with Dynamic Content
If anyone has the time visit: www.helmutgranda.com I struggled for couple of days redesigning my layout because it would not show good in Mozilla. Thinking there was an error on the layout, but for some reason my layouts never worked with Dynamic Content. Does anyone knows why this happens? IE renders fine, but Mozilla chocks then the dynamic content shows up. It keeps the footer in the same position instead of going with the flow. Any tips will be more than welcome. Its my first CSS layout so bare with me if there is a bounch of mess in there. helmut * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Css problems..
Vince, Set the image to display: block or vertical-align: bottom. Details here: http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/img-table/ Cheers, Mike On Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 11:00 PM, Befree wrote: Hi, i've a problem with Mozilla that i can't resolve. In this site (www.comune.castelnuovo-berardenga.si.it) Mozilla display a white line under the top banner and i can't understand why. anybody can help me? thanks, bye. Vince * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion
Ermm another question List fellows. Hope you guys don't mind...4th question for the past 2 weeks. I am trying to use Character Entity Evasion for mailto encoding instead of JavaScript. At times it validates and at times it doesn't. Why? I have no idea. Example of Character Entity encoded email: Decode: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encode: #116;#101;#115;#116;#64;#116;#101;#115;#116;#105;#110;#103;#46; #99;#111;#109; Those characters is making my xhtml 1.0 strict validation unhappy. May I know what alternatives do the rest of you use besides using JavaScript for encoding your e-mail? Contact Forms and '@ image method' or replacing '@' with 'at' method aside please. Thank you! Best Wishes, Jaime ... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion
Jaime, Just use http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/obfuscate_email.asp. Might prove useful and does it all for you, including complete mail-to strings. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (with a headache because he's been on the system way too long) http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jaime W Sent: 03 June 2004 19:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Ermm another question List fellows. Hope you guys don't mind...4th question for the past 2 weeks. I am trying to use Character Entity Evasion for mailto encoding instead of JavaScript. At times it validates and at times it doesn't. Why? I have no idea. Example of Character Entity encoded email: Decode: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encode: #116;#101;#115;#116;#64;#116;#101;#115;#116;#105;#110;#103;#46; #99;#111;#109; Those characters is making my xhtml 1.0 strict validation unhappy. May I know what alternatives do the rest of you use besides using JavaScript for encoding your e-mail? Contact Forms and '@ image method' or replacing '@' with 'at' method aside please. Thank you! Best Wishes, Jaime ... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Some links for light reading...
Joe Clark and Craig Saila have been looking at Canadian Government election websites from an accessibility point of view - interesting reading http://blog.fawny.org/2004/06/03/election/ Associated pages: http://joeclark.org/election/releases/ http://joeclark.org/election/findings/ http://joeclark.org/election/findings/#summary The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!) http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html Dean Edwards IE7 update: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/update.html http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/intro/ Gurus v. Bloggers, Round 2 - light-hearted looks at web sites http://www.designbyfire.com/96.html Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Css problems..
Hi, Michael Allan wrote: Vince, Set the image to display: block or vertical-align: bottom. Details here: http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/img-table/ it works perfectly! thanks a lot! :) Cheers, Mike bye, Vince * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Css problems..
Hi, Leslie Riggs wrote: First off, try validating your site - when I ran the W3C HTML validator it came back NOT valid XHTML 1.1 and there were three errors. Second, although you've got a style sheet, your layout is still controlled by tables? I would look at those first before trying to fix the white line issue. Using CSS for layout can give you a very elegant and clean design without all that markup you're using. Just my humble opinion, for what little it's worth (I'm somewhat a newbie myself - always looking to learn). Leslie i know.. but i did this site some time ago.. probably i'll do new design without table. The site not validates because there is a CMS behind it and the persons who update the site sometimes don't put valide code inside :( bye.. Vince * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion
Mike you are a gem! This tool generates codes that validates in XHTML 1.0 DTD Strict! Is helpful and great for lazy people like me lol. Tested it and it works great. Thank you thank you very much! By the way what is the differences between ISO and Hex Conversion? Which is more secure? I choose the default which is ISO Conversion. Best Wishes, Jaime ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pepper Sent: Friday, 4 June 2004 3:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Jaime, Just use http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/obfuscate_email.asp. Might prove useful and does it all for you, including complete mail-to strings. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (with a headache because he's been on the system way too long) http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jaime W Sent: 03 June 2004 19:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Ermm another question List fellows. Hope you guys don't mind...4th question for the past 2 weeks. I am trying to use Character Entity Evasion for mailto encoding instead of JavaScript. At times it validates and at times it doesn't. Why? I have no idea. Example of Character Entity encoded email: Decode: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encode: #116;#101;#115;#116;#64;#116;#101;#115;#116;#105;#110;#103;#46; #99;#111;#109; Those characters is making my xhtml 1.0 strict validation unhappy. May I know what alternatives do the rest of you use besides using JavaScript for encoding your e-mail? Contact Forms and '@ image method' or replacing '@' with 'at' method aside please. Thank you! Best Wishes, Jaime ... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion
Jamie, Glad to be of some use. I'm an ardent anti-spammer and it was an initiative to thwart harvesters. I use mixed in an effort to confuse parsing aglos employed by poorly coded harvesters. However, any programmer worth his salt will simply run a recursive loop and trap for either ... Be warned, though: this can play merry hell with screen readers and other accessible text software unless they're properly setup to interpret these coded feeds. There is no real difference between the two formats; both are happily interpreted and rendered by contemporary browsers (even Lynx -- which is a bonus), although one is an internationally recognised standards format (ISO). There is no 'secure' format because if a browser can display it, a programmer can read it. But it'll keep the kids at bay :o) Cheers, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (with shares in Anadin) www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jaime W Sent: 03 June 2004 22:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Mike you are a gem! This tool generates codes that validates in XHTML 1.0 DTD Strict! Is helpful and great for lazy people like me lol. Tested it and it works great. Thank you thank you very much! By the way what is the differences between ISO and Hex Conversion? Which is more secure? I choose the default which is ISO Conversion. Best Wishes, Jaime ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pepper Sent: Friday, 4 June 2004 3:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Jaime, Just use http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/obfuscate_email.asp. Might prove useful and does it all for you, including complete mail-to strings. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (with a headache because he's been on the system way too long) http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jaime W Sent: 03 June 2004 19:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Ermm another question List fellows. Hope you guys don't mind...4th question for the past 2 weeks. I am trying to use Character Entity Evasion for mailto encoding instead of JavaScript. At times it validates and at times it doesn't. Why? I have no idea. Example of Character Entity encoded email: Decode: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encode: #116;#101;#115;#116;#64;#116;#101;#115;#116;#105;#110;#103;#46; #99;#111;#109; Those characters is making my xhtml 1.0 strict validation unhappy. May I know what alternatives do the rest of you use besides using JavaScript for encoding your e-mail? Contact Forms and '@ image method' or replacing '@' with 'at' method aside please. Thank you! Best Wishes, Jaime ... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion
Id also like to add a question. How Accessible is this method? Can screen readers pick this up and convert it to the correct text? GC Original Message: - From: Jaime W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:04:24 +0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Mike you are a gem! This tool generates codes that validates in XHTML 1.0 DTD Strict! Is helpful and great for lazy people like me lol. Tested it and it works great. Thank you thank you very much! By the way what is the differences between ISO and Hex Conversion? Which is more secure? I choose the default which is ISO Conversion. Best Wishes, Jaime ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pepper Sent: Friday, 4 June 2004 3:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Jaime, Just use http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/obfuscate_email.asp. Might prove useful and does it all for you, including complete mail-to strings. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer (with a headache because he's been on the system way too long) http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jaime W Sent: 03 June 2004 19:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion Ermm another question List fellows. Hope you guys don't mind...4th question for the past 2 weeks. I am trying to use Character Entity Evasion for mailto encoding instead of JavaScript. At times it validates and at times it doesn't. Why? I have no idea. Example of Character Entity encoded email: Decode: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encode: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Those characters is making my xhtml 1.0 strict validation unhappy. May I know what alternatives do the rest of you use besides using JavaScript for encoding your e-mail? Contact Forms and '@ image method' or replacing '@' with 'at' method aside please. Thank you! Best Wishes, Jaime ... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Make em' pay for IE
If you try to complain about IE to a client, they'll most likely say that that's our problem. The truth is, since they are paying the bill, it's their problem. It seems that the only way to get truth through to them is to include in the invoice: Corrections To Make IE Compatible. If they say that we should therefor forget about the other browsers, just tell them even if we did that, there would be no time savings because we would still need to compensate for IE's bugginess. Top it off by offering to throw in for free some bell and whistles which IE doesn't support. This should do two things: 1) Make people aware that 100% IE support will cost them money. (But don't compromise on one bit of functionality, just some polish.) 2) By creating a difference between IE and compliant browsers, people will begin to realize that there is a difference. Will this mean the end of IE dominance? I doubt it. It may however lead to the end of IE's super-dominance, which should be good enough. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE
Nothing like a bit of commercial suicide to thin the web development ranks :o) Mike Pepper (Nearly exhausted) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mordechai Peller Sent: 04 June 2004 00:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; webdesign-l Subject: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE If you try to complain about IE to a client, they'll most likely say that that's our problem. The truth is, since they are paying the bill, it's their problem. It seems that the only way to get truth through to them is to include in the invoice: Corrections To Make IE Compatible. If they say that we should therefor forget about the other browsers, just tell them even if we did that, there would be no time savings because we would still need to compensate for IE's bugginess. Top it off by offering to throw in for free some bell and whistles which IE doesn't support. This should do two things: 1) Make people aware that 100% IE support will cost them money. (But don't compromise on one bit of functionality, just some polish.) 2) By creating a difference between IE and compliant browsers, people will begin to realize that there is a difference. Will this mean the end of IE dominance? I doubt it. It may however lead to the end of IE's super-dominance, which should be good enough. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Mozilla chocks with Dynamic Content
Mozilla is acting correctly. By floating the #menu, you've removed it from the normal flow of the document...hence, it does not take up space height-wise, and therefore does not stretch the container. An initial fix is to add clear: both; to your #footer... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk winmail.dat
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
Well I guess Its not really a massive issue, but it has led me to rethink the use of too many floats next to each other ... -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 James Ellis wrote: Neerav I think you have to look at a bigger issue here... is the time spent on getting a page to work in IE4 actually worth the effort? Users of IE4 have an upgrade path to a better browser - the time spent assisting these users to follow an upgrade path is more worthwhile than attempting to make a page work in a browser that just doesn't know about CSS2 that much? Crashing is a more serious matter but with page breakages in older browsers I think their are three outcomes here: 1. User doesn't actually interpret the page is broken - it's just the users of better browsers that interpret this. 2. User thinks the page is broken and either: a - fires off an email complaining about poor web development b - goes somewhere else 3. User interprets the pages as broken and upgrades their browser software. It's 2b that is the no-win situation but given the small/tiny population of this subset - is it really an issue? Cheers James Neerav wrote: Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS Disaster
Almost all of my visitors use IE, and I have less than two weeks to solve the problem. CSS is an excellent car, but IE is a broken muddy pothole-filled road. Anyone know any bugs that prevent IE from loading a stylesheet? You provided no URLs. Nada. Zilch. Nein. Sorry, no can help. -- Ryan Christie| e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harrisonburg, VA | w: http://shadyland.theward.net ---() ()-- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
