[WSG] Fw: request
hi. so not sure if it is the browser problem with microsoft or mozilla. so contact them and let them know of the problems i am having. or is it just my pages wrong. and when i use three ... for the style sheet, defaults to times new roman and overides my styles in my style sheet. real weird. so how to proceed. got this guy to test on three browsers. cheers Marvin. - Original Message - From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com To: The Elf inthane...@roadrunner.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: request hi. well thanks for that. a lot of good help. now is your real name infane or just a stage name. just curious. and are you american? so, maybe contact microsoft, mozilla and let them know of the problems i am having in their browsers. thanks for your help. so will check out the sites and then can make comparisons. and so you are saying i need three periods instead of 2. even thought using xhtml 1.0 transintional. let me kow if i need to add a third period to my style sheet reference. thanks for your help buddy. needed some one to test. before rolling back to ie 7 or 6. cheers Marvin. talk to you soon. - Original Message - From: The Elf inthane...@roadrunner.com To: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: request Marvin, ok, firstly, on the style sheet, your you have either a difference in dos verses Linux/html or a mistake, when on a computer such as the one your reading this on, you had two periods as the reference to the CSS style sheet instead of three, default font on my I.E. 6 is verdonna, yours on the sheet seems to be times new roman, I added one period to your style sheet reference to properly make the computer go up one full directory level before looking for the styles folder and suddenly it found it! on the second matter, its a similar problem, I went to w3schools.com and looked at the tables tutorial, and yours was picture perfect in code, but the table was not showing up on either of my computers in I.E. 6 or 7. so I thought about it for a bit and decided to try it out in an actual server environment. so I uploaded the index file and the style folder with its joe.css file (or whatever the exact name was) up to my web site and tried connecting to the page there, and va la! when I connected I got both the times new roman font and the table showed up just fine. it's just the main sheet, the index.html, but if you wish to try it with I. e. 8, go here: www.alacorncomputer.com/test/index.html take care, inthane proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Agemtree merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones www.agemtree.com - Original Message - From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com To: The Elf inthane...@roadrunner.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: request HI. YOU WILL SEE A MAIN FOLDER CALLED PRINCIPLES OF VISUAL DESIGN. IN THAT FOLDER LOOK FOR THE HTML FOLDER AND THE STYLES FOLDER IN A COUPLE OF FOLDERS DOWN. FROM THE JAVA SCRIPT. OPEN UP THE INDEX.HTML WHICH IS THE MAIN FILE. THEN JUST CLICK ON ALL THE LINKS. THEN GO TO A FOLDER CALLED PAGE DESIGN AND LAYOUT. THEN GO TO WEBSITES. AND THERE ARE FOUR MAIN WEBSITES, THERE, IN A FOLDER CALLED SAY FOR ECAMPLE THE WATCHTOWER, THEN A FOLDER CALLED HTML. THEN A FOLDER CALLED STYLES. IN THE AUTHORING AND ACCESSIBILITY, GO TO A FOLDER CALLED AUTHORING. THEN GO IN THE FOLDER AND LOOK FOR HTML. HAVE A LOOK AT THE TOTAL SITES FOR FORMATTING AND THE TABLES. FOR BOTH IE 7 AND 8. SORRY ABOUT THAT. JUST WANT TO TEST IF IT IS MY PAGES, STYLE SHEET IN THE WRONG PLACE OR INTERNET EXPLORER 8 PROBLEM. AND SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH FIREFOX, NOT READING THE CORRECT FONT AND NO TABLE BEEN READ TO ME. CHEERS Marvin.. - Original Message - From: The Elf inthane...@roadrunner.com To: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: request alright, now, in which folder is the page for the problematical table, and its CSS sheet? please give me the entire order down to the folder that actually contains the files you wanted tested, the joe ones inthane proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Agemtree merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones www.agemtree.com - Original Message - From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com To: The Elf inthane...@roadrunner.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:56 AM Subject: Re: request hi. well, wanting you to test it with ie 8. maybe you can install that on a spare machine, not your main machine, then uninstall it. that is the latest version i am using.
RE: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
The link to the PDF version has an extra folder in it, that should not be there, the actual link to the PDF is: http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.pdf Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: 25 June 2009 20:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet Hello all! I have updated my best practice table at http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements/ I've switched from XHTML to HTML and I've added an experimental layout with rotated column headers in Firefox 3.5 (JS required, but progressive enhancement is used). Please report any content issues. Please report any problems in FFox 3.5. Known issue: The checkmarks (✓) do not work in MSIE or Webkit based browsers. It does not make the table less understandable though. -- Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) http://keryx.se/ http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
On 2009-06-26 01:29, daniel a. thornbury wrote: Very useful! ...but I would love the PDF or ODT versions to be available so I can print it up to stick onto the wall for quick-reference (and to make me look a little smarter)... Ooops! When I changed the resource name to hide the file extension, I forgot to change the path in the links. Fixed. -- Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) http://keryx.se/ http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
On 2009-06-26 02:37, Mark Huppert wrote: This file gives me 482 errors and 6 warnings from the W3C parser plugin for Firefox. Adobe Acrobat was unable to parse it. I got 1008 (using HTML 5 experimental validator) ;-) Now it's zero. There was a bunch of td / that I did not bother to remove until the rest was working. It seems as though my CSS-design for Firefox 3.5 works though, since there are no complaints. Time to get it to work in Safari as well then. My technique is described at http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/2009/05/rotating-column-headers-using-css-only.html Sidenote: I do not like implicit closing of elements, but removing all /td would save me more than 5kB of page size... Decisions, decisions. -- Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) http://keryx.se/ http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
On 2009-06-26 10:23, michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote: The link to the PDF version has an extra folder in it, that should not be there, the actual link to the PDF is: http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.pdf Regards, Mike Forgive my double posting, but just to let yo all know that I've read every reply. Mike found out how to cope with my oversight. Links have been fixed. -- Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) http://keryx.se/ http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: [SPAM] WSG Digest
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[WSG] ACCESSIBILITY OF WEB SITES WITH A SCREEN READER
HI. WELL BEEN 10 YEARS ON THE WEB. AND 99% OF WEBSITES ARE ACCESSIBLE WITH THE JAWS SCREEN READER FROM HTTP://WWW.FREEDOMSCIENTIFIC.COM AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SCREEN READER LIKE JAWS, WINDOW EYES, HAL, SYSTEM ACCESS TO GO ARE THE WAY THEY USE THE VIRTUAL BUFFER AND HOW THEY READ ELEMENTS ON A PAGE. JAWS WILL READ TEXT, LINKS, MOUSE OVER LINKS, FRAMES, TABLES, BUTTONS, CHECK BOXES, ETC. AND THE ONLY SITE WHICH I COULD NOT NAVIGATE WAS A DATABASE PAGE, ALL WITH GRAPHICS AND SLIDE SHOWS FROM A UNIVERSITY IN AUSTRALIA. AND EVEN WITH FLASH, IT WILL READ THE BUTTONS AND THE TEXT IF CODED PROEPRLY. AND THERE ARE ARTICLES ABOUT HOW TO CODE FLASH FOR ACCESSIBILITY AT HTTP://WWW.ADOBE.COM ANDREWK KIRK PATRICK IS THE ACCESSIBILITY MANAGER AT ADOBE. SO, MY EXPEREICNE, SOME FLASH IS ACCESSIBLE. AND YEAH WOULD BE HANDY IF SUB TITLES WERE READ OUT AND OTHER AUDIO DESCRIPTIVE ELEEMENTS WHEN PLAYING A MP3, AUDIO OR VIDEO CLIP. AND ALSO WITH GRAPHICS, WITH ALT TAGS, IT READS IT FINE. IT ALSO READ S FRAMES. THE ADAPTIVE TECHNOLGY COMPANIES ARE CREATING THEIR PRODUCTS FOR NEW EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES ON THE WEB . IF YOU GO TO HTTP://WWW.FREEEDOMSCIENTIFIC.COM AND SEARCH FOR THE APRIL AND JANUARY PDOCASTS, AND ALSO LOOK AT HTTP://EASI.EDU AND SEARCH FOR THE ARIA POD CAST. THESE COMAPNIES ARE LIKE SCRIPTING FOR ACCESSIBLE RICH INTERNET APPLICATIONS. IT CAN BE DONE AND NOT MUCH EXTRA CODE TO READ LAND MARKS, LIVE REGIONS, ETC. SO THAT'S MY EXPEREICNE USING THE WEB AS A BLIND PERSON. ABLE TO LISTEN TO ONLINE RADIO STATIONS TO SPORTS EVENTS, LIKE HTTP://WWW.AFL.COM.AU AND OTHER SPROTS, LIKE WIMBLEDON, AND A BLIND GUY HAS LINKS TO A PAGE WITH LIVE AUDIO AT HTTP://WWW.OPTUSNET.COM.AU/STEPHENJOLLEY/LIVESTREAM.HTML AND HE UPDATES IT. ALSO THERE A LOT OF BLIND PEOPLE USING FACE BOOK, TWITTER, AND LIEK ME USING SKYPE AND MSN. CHEERS MARVIN..E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] INTERNET EXPLORER FORMATTING PROBLEMS
HI. CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THE MESSAGE I POSTED ABOUT MY FORMATTING PROBLEMS WITH MY STYLE SHEET IN INTERNET EXPLORER 8. CHEERS MARVIN. PS: DO I ROLL BACK TO VERSION 7. E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Collapsing margins and relative positioning
Hello,
I have a question about collapsing margins. I realise that the margins
of relatively and absolutely positioned elements are not supposed to
collapse, but I've come across an example that appears to break this
rule. I'd be grateful if someone could clarify what is going on.
I have a simple html document with the following elements /
positionings:
body (relative)
division #div_content (relative)
division #div_alpha (absolute; top: 0;)
division #div_omega (relative; top: 0;)
The division #div_content is a wrapper for all other content. The other
two divisions, #div_alpha and #div_omega, are siblings which each hold a
single h1 element. Each h1 element is styled to have a top margin.
My issue is that, in all major browsers, the margin of the h1 of
#div_omega collapses with the margin of body, even though #div_omega has
been relatively positioned. Furthermore, adding padding to the body does
not seem to fix the problem.
A sample html document with inline style sheet is attached.
I'd be grateful for any guidance on this. Thank you.
Regards,
Grant Bailey
...
?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
head
titleUntitled Document/title
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
/
style type=text/css
!--
* {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
body {position: relative; margin: 5em; height: 400px; outline: black
thin solid;}
h1 {margin-top: 1em; outline: black thin solid;}
#div_content {position: relative; outline: black thin solid;}
#div_alpha {position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; outline: black thin
solid;}
#div_omega {position: relative; top: 0; left: 50%; outline: black thin
solid;}
--
/style
/head
body
div id=div_content
div id=div_alpha
h1I am the alpha/h1
/div
div id=div_omega
h1I am the omega/h1
/div
/div
/body
/html
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Re: [WSG] Rendering difference between Strict Transitional doctypes in FF, IE8 Safari
David Dorward wrote: David Hucklesby wrote: I don't see anything in the W3C recommendations that forbids frames of any kind? http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/elements.html clearly marks iframe as a feature of the Loose (AKA transitional) DTD. A question of knowing where to look. Thanks for that. (iFrames seem to be in HTML 5 though.) - http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-iframe-element Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] INTERNET EXPLORER FORMATTING PROBLEMS
On 27/06/2009, at 12:07 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: HI. CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH THE MESSAGE I POSTED ABOUT MY FORMATTING PROBLEMS WITH MY STYLE SHEET IN INTERNET EXPLORER 8. CHEERS MARVIN. PS: DO I ROLL BACK TO VERSION 7. Hi Marvin - I noticed that you've taken to writing in all caps. On the web this is considered 'shouting'. You might want to hit the caps lock key. It seems like are were insinuating that there may be a bug in various browsers because your stylesheet isn't showing up. That's a really improbably supposition. What you need to do is to create a completely basic test case. It seems as if you are having some problems with your directory structure so my advice would be to initially put a single html file and a single css file in the same directory. Reference the css from the html. In the HTML there should be just the basic structure you need to test your issue (tables?). And in your CSS file you may only need a basic font-family declaration on the body. I seem to remember that IE used to have problems with inheritance of font styles in tables so you may want to check by styling the td element with a font as well. The other thing is to always remember to validate your code. Do you know how to do this? This will ensure that what you have written is correct and may help to pick up any little typos that may have crept in. I'm afraid I don't know whether Internet Explorer 8 has any problems with Jaws. If I were you I would check with the Jaws people or on a Jaws forum. Cheers, Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Expand width of container to fit content's width?
Is it possible to expand a container's width to fit its content? For example, if I have a page where the content is wider than the width available at the browser's current size, which means the horizontal scrollbar appear, I want the container to expand to fit the width of the content instead of having the content sticking out the side (because that makes the design of the page look poor when the user scrolls horizontally). Thanks, Stephen *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Expand width of container to fit content's width?
At 6/26/2009 12:58 PM, Stevio wrote: Is it possible to expand a container's width to fit its content? For example, if I have a page where the content is wider than the width available at the browser's current size, which means the horizontal scrollbar appear, I want the container to expand to fit the width of the content instead of having the content sticking out the side (because that makes the design of the page look poor when the user scrolls horizontally). It's always a good idea to include a link to a page where your problem is actually occurring so we can give you pertinent advice. Speaking in generalities, normal behavior is for a container to stretch to contain its content. However, if content is floated left or right or positioned absolutely or relatively, it's taken out of the flow and can visually extend beyond the boundaries of its containing block. The solution is often to float or relatively position the container. If the problem is that you've absolutely positioned your content, I would further recommend that you rethink that plan, as in most cases absolute positioning is an unnecessary, brute-force approach to solve a problem that can be handled much more gracefully with different styling. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Expand width of container to fit content's width?
Stevio wrote: Is it possible to expand a container's width to fit its content? Well, IE 6 treats width as min-width and likely does what you want. Non-IE browsers behave similarly if you add a display: table; declaration. Don't know how to deal with IE 7 though... :( Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
