Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields
You're gonna shoot yourself in the foot if you go one step further without diving as deep as possible into answering the question why does he want this? If you're making something that looks like a web form on a web page to be accessed by web users, then it's pretty clearly folley - a short test with some users will bear this out. Do it in front of your insistent client and he'll have a hard time disagreeing with you. If you're making something that looks like a tax-form wizard on an interactive/business application that just happens to be delivered via a browser and is targeted at people with 30 years of data-entry experience, then the same test will reveal that having their form submit when they hit enter (instead of moving between data fields) will be a terrible usability burden. Know thy user as thy self =) Either way you'll have a difficult time overiding the default behavior of a browser, so you better count on needing javascript enabled (and a healthy testing budget) to develop this behavior. When you get down to it, it's not that hard to implement with some keypress listeners. The idea about a confirmation dialog (while not-efficient) seemed a good one, when used as part of a smooth degredation scheme. /bd On 2/27/07, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Roper wrote: Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. I've seen examples of Javascript code to do this, but I'd be interested in any feedback on whether there are any issues with this and what the best approach is to implement. Thanks, Nick I have to agree with Darren and Barney, it is an astoundingly anti-user proposal, as you present it. But perhaps your customer has some convincing rationale for wanting to do this? If so, I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear it. Andrew 109B SE 4th Av Gainesville FL 32601 Cell: 352-870-6661 http://www.andrewmaben.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Escaped 's in field values.
Why not just escape(selected.value) the improperly encoded value to convert the to amp;? On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:07:25 -0400, Scott Reston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a select form element that contains values that include escaped ampersands. eg, select option value=This amp; ThatThis amp; That/option /select I'm finding that when I use javascript to get the value of the (selected index of the) field, the value that javascript gets has the , not amp; My character set for the form is ISO-8859-1. I'm using the form input on another page and want to stay XHTML... Does anyone have any insight into why I wouldn't get the whole value and what I can do to remedy the situation? Scott Reston Director, Web Development Capstrat 919/882.1966 v 919/834.7959 f 1201 Edwards Mill Road, Suite 102 Raleigh, NC 27607 www.capstrat.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Brian Duchek =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: 847.809.2140 w: www.inquiline.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] css syntax question
Is there a syntax in CSS declarations which 'wraps' classes/ids in a
parent condition? I'm not asking this very clearly, but the idea is
similar to the Javascript syntax...
with {
...
}
The purpose being, I find myself writing a lot of statements like the below
#navigation p {...}
#navigation #tabs {...}
#navigation #tabs ul li a {...}
Isn't there an easier/more efficient way to apply the parent selector
#navigation to all the different groups?
#navigation {
p {...}
#tabs{...}
}
Does anyone know if the above works, or if it has any browser support holes?
I only ask because I know the people on this list can chew up this
question and spit it out like no one else :-)
Thanks,
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Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
I use this web site for a quick preview in Safari: http://www.danvine.com/icapture/ On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:07:18 -0400, Albert Gedraitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cesar - Web users interested in your services will not be able to get much help if their browser is Safari 1.2.3. Sorry, but on this browser your site is a mess. Maybe someone else on the list can advise you what to do to make it Safari-accessible. Yours, Albert -- On Sep 28, 2004, at 4:41 AM, cesar | cesargarcia.com wrote: Yes, if all elements are proportional the layouts never break, increase or decrease size as same the font. Take a look: http://www.gestoriagarcia.net It's my latest work, incerase or decrease the size. Sorry for my english. cesar | cesargarcia.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Andrew Thompson Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 8:33 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the layouts should never break. -- On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase font size. Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation. It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder? Grant Focas ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Brian Duchek =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: 847.809.2140 w: www.inquiline.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge
[WSG] best way to format Skip Nav link
Hi there group of gurus and list lurkers. What's the best way to fomat a skip navigation link at the top of a page so it doesn't appear in modern/styled browsers, but is still accessible to small-screen / mobile platforms and reduced-ability environments (screen readers and the like)? I've seen different approaches, but am getting confused by the details I pick up here and there. display:none; visibility: hide; height:1px; width:1px; position:absolue; top: -20px left:0; Thanks in advance for your input. -- Brian Duchek =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: 847.809.2140 w: www.inquiline.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Empty DT's?
My memory re: the previous thread is fuzzy, but let me pose a question anyway. What's the reason to include the empty dt? Can't you just remove it? While it may go against the simplist interpretation of a defintion list (i.e. a defintion title followed by the defintion data) it seems like the definition list you want to create has an exception. I wouldn't call it an incorrect usage of the definition list, just a usage that fits the semantic needs of your data. Unless there's some other reason to include the empty tag? On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:33:30 +0200, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Related to my last thread (Fake link,...), I'm debating which is the better choice: using a consistent framework, but have an (usually) empty dt, or use a ul for the top level? Here's what the code would look like: *dl dt!--optional Menu Heading--/dt dda href=opt1.htmlOpt1/a/dd dd dl dtSub-Menu Heading Opt2/dt dda href=opt2a.htmlOpt2a/a/dd dd dl dtSub-Menu Heading Opt2b/dt dda href=opt2b1.htmlOpt2b1/a/dd dda href=opt2b2.htmlOpt2b2/a/dd /dl /dd dd**a href=opt2c.htmlOpt2c/a/dd** dl /dd dd**a href=opt1.htmlOpt1/a/dd** dl The dt's are the headings and the dd's are the links. Very consistent and very semantic (except for the first empty dt). It may even simplify scripting because it's consistent. The alternative is to use a ul for the top level: ul li**a href=opt1.htmlOpt1/a**/li li dl dt**Sub-Menu Heading Opt2**/dt** dd**a href=opt2a.htmlOpt2a/a**/dd etc... In**consistent**, but no empty dt's. *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Brian Duchek =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: 847.809.2140 w: www.inquiline.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
