Re: [WSG] blocking out of office replies [OT?]
Yes it has been discussed before, and yes, it has been ignored. I belong to at least two dozen mailing lists, and this one is unique in its inability to handle this problem. Clearly it¹s not an insolvable problem. From: dwain dwain.alf...@gmail.com Subject: [WSG] blocking out of office replies [OT?] is there a way to block out of office replies from the list. this has been discussed before and it seems that the request has been ignored. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
This is probably off topic, if you want to discuss off line, I'm happy to help. I do this daily, on three different Macs. FWIW, I used to be an executive at Microsoft, but use Macs in my daily life. I retreat to Windows only as needed. I use Parallels, although others report good success with VMWare's Fusion. The answer to all your questions is yes, and then some. You can run windows and mac programs side by side on the same desktop or switch environments on the fly if you prefer a now I'm here, ok, now I'm there experience (easier on my head), or even choose the boot route. The Windows environment isn't some emulator, it's the real deal. I write can programs in VS, run Office, get viruses, everything. Fortunately it's all confined to that world. As I said, I do this every day, follow up off line if you want more detailed answers as this really has nothing to do with Web Standards. Chris On 1/30/08 2:22 PM, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I know it was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list if you feel it¹s more appropriate. I¹ve recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track as soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I¹ve gone a bit deeper into web development since I purchased it I was under the impression that when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My current situation has forced me to consider upgrading sooner than expected, so I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS¹s like I would switch applications? Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the previous threads on this topic from the last few weeks. Cheers, Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!
I belong to 20+ email lists, yet this is the ONLY list upon which OOF messages show up. I'm sure the many thousands of members on those lists aren't that conscientious. There has to be something that YAHOO and other list programs are doing to prevent them from getting through. And it can't be that complicated, since some of them are managed by non-technical individuals. From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE! SO! Make sure you set your Out Of Office message so it doesn't reply to your mailing lists. It takes a little more effort, but it stops us thinking you're a dork. And you aren't one. (Are you?) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
This technique (as well as almost all others in this thread) is/has been cracked by virtually every spam harvester. Security by obfuscation is no security at all. Just put in straightforward mailto: links pointing to a designated email address. Then help your customers get a good spam filter program. No screen reader problems, no uninstalled javascript problems, etc. It just works. KISS. From: Dejan Kozina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links With this, [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes: a href=mailto:%6d%65%40%6d%65%2e%63%6f%6d; #x6d;#x65;#x40;#x6d;#x65;#x2e;#x63;#x6f;#x6d; /a It's not foolproof, but my customers are generally happy with the result. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard
Perhaps the most amazing thing in all of this is Target¹s willingness to continue this fight into court. Aside from all the stunningly bad publicity of a major company standing up to fight a group of seemingly defenseless blind people, and the ridiculously poor example they set for all corporations by worrying more about form over function, is the sheer economic stupidity As almost anyone here in this group would tell you, the work required to make their site simply not offensive to the blind (e.g. just adding alt tags) would probably cost them a tiny fraction of the legal bills. I'm quite sure any of a number of people here would gladly help them accomplish that at their legal team's hourly rate :) Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
You know, I belong to perhaps two dozen email lists, and this one and one other are the only ones plagued with the oof (out of office) notice problem. Yahoo groups, in particular seem to have this well under control. I am on something like ten Yahoo groups, with thousands of members across them, and I never once have seen an oof on them. My point is, there must be a software solution to this in the mailing list software. Yahoo must be filtering these messages, no? Isn't there a better mousetrap here, rather than expecting thousands of members to remember to edit their settings right before they head out on holiday? From: McNally, Peter R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:18:16 -0500 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Conversation: WSG Digest Subject: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I will be out of the office on Thursday 08/16/07 and Friday 08/17/07. I will be back in the office on Monday 06/20/07. I will be on vacation and not checking email or voicemail during this time. I will respond to all emails when I return. Thanks, Pete *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size
...the teacher is paying attention to the stupid, mute, blind, and crippled kids. Well, Mr. Compassion for the User... stupid, mute, blind, crippled? Nice choice of words... From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size the teacher is paying attention to the stupid, mute, blind, and crippled kids. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] ive given up on css
And THAT web page was last updated 5 years ago... From: Rob Wilmshurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] ive given up on css http://www.coolpage.com/cpg.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog
I am using Wordpress to power my entire site (http://clwill.com), static pages, integrated blog, everything, and it is hosted by 1and1. It works wonderfully. Just install WP locally on your LAMP setup, pick a theme that you like, and start fiddling. If you create pages in WP, they are static, posts are part of the blog. If your theme includes a home.php that's the front page. If you change your header.php and or footer.php in your theme, you can change the look of the whole site. To get an idea about how this works, just open up the theme files and poke around. It's really not that complicated, most themes consist of only about a dozen files, all with very logical names (comment.php, sidebar.php, etc.). And PHP is not rocket science, you'll get the hang of it in just a hour or so of poking around. There are a bazillion WP templates out there (check out http://themes.wordpress.net for a few hundred...) from which to draw ideas. Using WP as your CMS system to build your whole site is a really clean, simple solution. I'm a huge fan of the concept. As for a local LAMP setup, I am using XAMPP (as was suggested) and it works great. HTH, Chris -Original Message- From: dwain Subject: Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog As far as incorporating the blog into your existing web site, why not the other way around? Your web site seems to be mainly static html pages that you could add as links into word press. I have not tried this myself but I have seen other members on this mailing list who have used this approach. i think i like this idea. i have thought about adding the menu links to the blog, but i still have the static pages. do you have any links to tutorials or xhtml and css examples that i can have a look see under the hood how i need to structure the page (code) to get the content and presentation the way i want? Styles are in the admin screen - Dashboard - Presentation - Theme Editor. You can make changes and save them there. I would suggest making another copy of your blog to test changes on first, preferably local on your PC using apache friend's xampp (Apache/MySql/Php). i'll have to set up a local lamp setup to test this on my system. thanks for the help and advise. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog
As I said, none if this us anywhere near as hard as you're making it. Go into the theme's directory and open up the files. Change just a couple of small things and see how it changes things. You'll quickly see that this isn't complex. Dive right in. See below: From: dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog i guess i can change the images in the header in the css. If you can do that, you're not that far away from creating your own theme. i'm not sure how to add the static pages unless i do away with the 1 and 1 blog and install wordpress and start from scratch. You'll be much happier with 2.x than 1.5. If only for the security fixes alone. i could never get wordpress to install on xampp, in fact, i had problems with it not finding the data base i created. Not sure why you couldn't find the database (did you change the wp-config file as the directions say)? the only concern i have is if i create pages with the 2.1.2 version of wp if 2.1.3 will accept the pages. The only differences between 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 are some security fixes. You have no reason to worry. but I might give joomla a stab as well. As for Joomla, if you think WP is complicated and too hard to use -- hoo, baby, are you in for a shock with Joomla... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
I'm afraid I agree completely with Bill, on almost every point. See below: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Open Vision Subject: Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final] Sorry, but I still see a mess. Maybe worse than before as far as layout is concerned. Text size, depending on how you have it set on your monitor is all over the place. Columns aren't even (as a graphic designer this is a pet peeve). And you have words underlined that aren't links. Misleading at the very least. Just try ctrl-+ or ctrl-a couple of times in your browser and see how badly the page behaves. Columns overlap, spill out all over the place, ugh... Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. While I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on behaviour, there are problems. Like Bushidodeep.com, Founded in 1996 offers... should be at least Bushidodeep.com, founded in 1996, offers... But that leads to the more important point that you offer Web Standards solutions emphasizing unique visual design on a decidedly not that great a design... certainly it doesn't offer a unique and stunning interface as later proclaimed. Personally, I think this is a wasted page. As I said before, if clients want to know about these things they can ask. If not you're just putting out useless and boring information. This is the most important point. This is like the skills section on a resume - that is, completely worthless. It's a laundry list of buzz words. Do you go to a mechanic for your car because they have the latest Hunter 9500 Spin Balancer or The Best Snap-On Tools, or because they carefully follow all OSHA regulations? No, you go there because they can service YOUR car, or perhaps they were recommended by your friend, or because they have testimonials from trustworthy sources. Show of hands - is there anyone on this list, or anyone working in web design, who DOESN'T work with all the listed programs? You need to showcase your work. Screen shots. Links to customers. Sample pages. Stunning Interfaces. Testimonials from happy customers. What can you do for me? Don't bore me with how the sausage is made... And I still have a problem with the half ribbon. To me it looks like something is missing and it doesn't add to the look of the page. Agree completely. Would be different if there was another part of the ribbon at the top of the page, perhaps... Finally, what in the world does meditaion have to do with Web design? Again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one (don't know why, but...) but I'm trying to understand a validation drop down selector. Huh? Don't mean to be rude, just trying to play the devil's advocate here. If I see these things clients will. And if you confuse them they'll go find someone else. - Original Message - From: CK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [WSG] Template Review[Final] http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_03.php Hi, Please check this for an strange behavior in IE. __ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter http://www.spamfighter.com/len for free now! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Global and page-specific style sheets
OK, I'll bite... Why is this better than one, nicely formatted and commented file? It would seem to me that your way would be significantly slower to load, and harder to find things in (where is that #main_title div again...). It would seem that there must be major advantages to this I'm not seeing. Care to enlighten? From: Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Global and page-specific style sheets One of the best things we did was to follow Doug Bowmans (webstock '06) suggestion to break up stylesheets into logical components and include them in one main file. Our 'styles.css' file now looks like this: - @import url(styles-contentTables.css); @import url(styles-forms.css); @import url(styles-mainnav.css); @import url(styles-popups.css); @import url(styles-secondarynav.css); @import url(styles-textformatting.css); /* generic rules go here */ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?
A pen and a yellow legal pad. Lightweight, portable, can be used on the airplane, available anywhere for under $5, available in a wide array of colors, understood by everyone, supports annotations of all kinds, and is the same sophisticated tool used by 99% of web designers world wide for making initial concept sketches. -Original Message- From: Nick Roper Subject: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ? I hesitate to suggest anything like Dreamweaver. Does anyone know of anything fairly lightweight and foolproof? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?
I'd like to apologize for being snarky with my first reply. That's what I get for replying before the first cup of coffee. It's just that, in my experience, the time spent spec'ing and teaching people to use spec'ing tools is better spent with a rough cut alpha/beta running and people giving live feedback as they play with it. I prefer to just start with *something/anything* [hat tip to Tod Rundgren] and work from there. But clearly it's your client, and you have to work they way they want to work. Chris -Original Message- From: Nick Roper Subject: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ? Does anyone know of anything fairly lightweight and foolproof? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?
I *was* the early poster... From: Dwain Alford Subject: Re: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ? i agree with an early poster about the pencil and paper layout tool. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] PopUp windows
This sounds like a perfect application for Ajax. Have the TOC on the left, the actual document on the right... opens as you click through the TOC? Just a thought... -Original Message- From: Bob Schwartz Subject: Re: [WSG] PopUp windows Example would be a page with a sort of table of contents which lists minutes of the past five years board meeting, the user clicks on one, it pops up they read it, print it or whatever, then go to the next. It gives them a chance to browse without leaving the TOC page, *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields
It's not my client... it is Nick's. I'm just saying that for decades, heavy data entry programs have used enter to move between fields, and yes, shift-enter to move back. If they are converting an existing app to use a browser, the client may well prefer to change the app, not the 100 users... which users may NEVER use the browser/computer for anything other than this app. -Original Message- From: Christian Montoya Subject: Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields Yes, but the convention in browsers is still to use the tab key. Besides, in browsers you can press shift + tab (or w/e the Mac equivalent is) to move backwards... how will this be done with enter? shift + enter? Does your client even know that you can tab through form fields? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields
At the risk of taking this completely OT, I might ask those of you who are incredulous of the use of the enter key to move between fields to take a look at the number keypad way over on the right hand side of a full-sized keyboard. Notice the enter key there? Imagine yourself keying in numbers all day and ask yourself if the tab key (at the exact opposite end of the keyboard) or the enter key (merely a pinky finger away) is the most efficient way to move between fields... Finally, imagine flipping through the pile of data to enter with your left hand, keying with your right hand, and you have your answer: a very efficient (albeit stunningly boring) way to work. -Original Message- From: Nick Roper Subject: Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields As Chris points out, the use of the Enter key is quite common in data-centric applications (which this is) and the users are used to using the Enter key for that purpose. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
