RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
We currently use popup windows to provide an answer/feedback for an activity/questionnaire. At one stage we were using hidden divs and JS to unhide the div when the user hit a submit button, but from a usability standpoint that was bad as it reset the page to the top (and so a screenreader would lose its place). If screenreaders don't like popups either, can anyone suggest an accessable way to unhide content such as answers to a quiz? Ben. There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
We currently use popup windows to provide an answer/feedback for an activity/questionnaire. At one stage we were using hidden divs and JS to unhide the div when the user hit a submit button, but from a usability standpoint that was bad as it reset the page to the top (and so a screenreader would lose its place). If screenreaders don't like popups either, can anyone suggest an accessable way to unhide content such as answers to a quiz? Ben. There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] gBrowser from Google
There's also the rumour of the google browser bug that was in Bugzilla (but then was made private and no longer appears): http://www.deftone.com/blogzilla/archives/google_browser.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason Turnbull Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2004 8:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] gBrowser from Google [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be released soon by Google called gBrowser I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may have, but haven't really heard much.. Its been reported they have hired 4 IE developers http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/09/22/google_browser_c oming.htm And the fact that Mozilla Developer Day was held at Google has people speculating what they have planned http://www.kottke.org/04/08/the-google-browser Regards Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
This thread has been a bit of deja vu for me. I have been discussing this problem with an external developer who uses Satay, who doesn't seem to believe that it is flaky. He has tested it across many browsers/OS's and hasn't seen the problem, and therefore had difficulty believing there is a prob. If you want to use the Satay method, and you've thoroughly tested it, and it works perfectly everywhere, then go for it, but I will maintain that it IS a buggy method, and some of your users will experience the blank text box syndrome, whether you as a developer have seen it or not. Ben. Reiterating Ben's comments and Zeldman's summary of the problems with the Satay method in Designing With Web Standards, that's exactly the problem with the Satay--sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. On some browsers, on some machines, sometimes. I think Zeldman's comment is how many people do you want to choose to alienate? ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Hi Johan, That page fails (displays an empty text box) on Win98SE, IE5.5, Flash 7,0,1,9,0. The big problem with Satay that I found is that on one machine it will work fine, then on another with the exact same OS, IE and Flash versions it fails with the empty text box problem. See the comments in the original Satay article on ALA, where others have found this problem. Ben. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johan Steenkamp Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash I used the Satay method on this page which validates to XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x on Win - not sure about other OS. http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html Johan www.assetnow.com Original Message From: Ian Fenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Sep-21-2004 12:29 PM Subject: [WSG] Embedding Flash Hi, Can anyone recommend a way of embedding flash in a xhtml strict page? I've tried the flash javay and flash satay methods detailed at alistapart.com but they both seem to have issues, namely in some browsers nothing is displayed... not the flash... nor the back-up image? Is there are preferred and more reliable method around now? All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Forgot to mention, I have seen it fail with the empty text box on IE6 as well (not on the page mentioned below, but on our testing of Satay). Ben. I used the Satay method on this page which validates to XHTML Strict. Works in IE, FireFox, Netscape 7.2, Opera 7.x on Win - not sure about other OS. http://www.assetnow.com/anx/index.cfm/1,8,20,html ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash
Actually its worse than that - I didn't see this myself, but heard second hand that on a machine where it didn't work they re-installed Flash, and it started working fine. Some time later (after a reboot as far as I know), the page started failing again. So not only not non-reproducable across system configs, but also not consistently reproducable on the same machine... Thanks for the feedback. Not great if it is not reliable across same system configs. Johan ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Testing render speed
Try http://www.xat.com/wo/index.html We've been using it and find it very helpful. I think you could set it to unlimited speed to get just render times... I want to test the render speed (from initial request through to completion, and just the render once all files are cached) of some pages, specifically to see if a non-table based approach is speeding things up at all. Anyone know what the best way of doing this is? ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
